State and BR copy UL ... again

[LsuULfan]

_ It's a pattern.

State has no interest in baseball. UNO makes the CWS... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in men's basketball. UL has a Top-10 team... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in women's basketball. Tech wins an NC... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in softball. UL has a Top-10 team... BAM! State has to have a team (not to mention our coach).

To think that LSU had interest in these sports due to the success of the other instate schools is ludicrous. Not taking away from the other schools or putting LSU on a pedestal-but the cause and effect is not there. Like every other SEC/BCS school LSU competes and tries to build programs in all of these sports, and pretty much followed the same timing of development in these sports as other similar schools. Might have developed some sooner or later in some sports than some of its peers. Generally smaller schools got into baseball, women's basketball and softball sooner, the Southern football schools didn't get as much into basketball as they did football until later. You could apply your theory in a lot of other states-but its more the pattern of development of the sports-not an LSU-other Louisiana school thing.

I don't know the academic side as well-but if your rationale is as strong, well ...

[Turbine]

_ It's a pattern.

State has no interest in baseball. UNO makes the CWS... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in men's basketball. UL has a Top-10 team... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in women's basketball. Tech wins an NC... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in softball. UL has a Top-10 team... BAM! State has to have a team (not to mention our coach).

Not totally chronological, I don't guess it was supposed to be.

Everything you say is true no one can refute it.

However I think what happened (going far back) is the schools with a little money put their money into football and hit the mother load. This allowed them to compete with in-state schools on a need be basis.

The schools with little or low money put the available dough where they saw fit and most of the time it was not a money maker.

Football in the 1960's and 70's and 80's and today was/is like owning boardwalk and the dollar influx basically allows monopolies to develop creating the ability to snap up minor sports overnight.

It is over it is done with, I am just glad that with a little hard work and marketing it is still possible to develop competive clubs in all the non football sports.

jmo

[Membertou]

_ To think that LSU had interest in these sports due to the success of the other instate schools is ludicrous. Not taking away from the other schools or putting LSU on a pedestal-but the cause and effect is not there. Like every other SEC/BCS school LSU competes and tries to build programs in all of these sports, and pretty much followed the same timing of development in these sports as other similar schools. Might have developed some sooner or later in some sports than some of its peers. Generally smaller schools got into baseball, women's basketball and softball sooner, the Southern football schools didn't get as much into basketball as they did football until later. You could apply your theory in a lot of other states-but its more the pattern of development of the sports-not an LSU-other Louisiana school thing.

I don't know the academic side as well-but if your rationale is as strong, well ... _

When it comes to the girl sports, clearly, the 1990s Title IX lawsuits were the impetus for LSU to ramp up their efforts.

[Sonsissymia]

_ Not totally chronological, I don't guess it was supposed to be.

Everything you say is true no one can refute it.

However I think what happened (going far back) is the schools with a little money put their money into football and hit the mother load. This allowed them to compete with in-state schools on a need be basis.

The schools with little or low money put the available dough where they saw fit and most of the time it was not a money maker.

Football in the 1960's and 70's and 80's and today was/is like owning boardwalk and the dollar influx basically allows monopolies to develop creating the ability to snap up minor sports overnight.

It is over it is done with, I am just glad that with a little hard work and marketing it is still possible to develop competive clubs in all the non football sports.

jmo _

turb, you're the research guy--tell me: what came first, pistol pete's years, or the usl top 10 ranking? what came first, bob petit's final four sec champs or usl's top 10 ranking? turb, i know it's a ul board, and of course it's going to be slanted hard in favor of all things local, but you are a pretty bright guy, it appears to me--when really stupid things are posted, i could see you ignoring them in deference to the party line, but to actively jump on board? i don't get it, you're better than that.

[LsuULfan]

_ When it comes to the girl sports, clearly, the 1990s Title IX lawsuits were the impetus for LSU to ramp up their efforts. _

Joe Dean's less than stellar performance on the stand didn't help. Don't remember exactly, but something like "cute girls in shorts" in front of Federal Judge Rebecka Doherty didn't go over to well ...

[Just1More]

_ turb, you're the research guy--tell me: what came first, pistol pete's years, or the usl top 10 ranking? what came first, bob petit's final four sec champs or usl's top 10 ranking? turb, i know it's a ul board, and of course it's going to be slanted hard in favor of all things local, but you are a pretty bright guy, it appears to me--when really stupid things are posted, i could see you ignoring them in deference to the party line, but to actively jump on board? i don't get it, you're better than that. _

"That was the height of it, but Shipley had already had a measure of success. His 1960-61 team went 18-5, won its own Bayou Classic, and was ranked 10th in the nation in the final College Division basketball poll. That team featured players such as Larry Simon (1,433 career points), Bill McHorris (1,355 career points), and a freshman named Dean Church (1,546 career points), who would earn All-American honors before his career was done. In 1964-1965, Church led the Cajuns to a National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) District 27 championship."

This is the reference to the ranking... prior to the Pete Maravich years, well after the Bob Pettit years.

This thread sucks and you like to stir poo. Clearly, LSU isn't beyond any tactic in this state to get what they want. He who has the gold makes the rules. I realize it, and choose to find an alternate route to assist UL in success. We can whine until the cheese shows up or we can try to build our system thru our accessible avenues.

I commend anyone who recognizes Ernest Gaines. I really do not know why this became an issue to anyone at UL. I like the fact that he snubbed LSU when the gold was offered, but I have seen others eventually break down, so I'm never surprised. LSU has the gold in this state, and many follow the gold. UL needs to work their own gold mines, know that they didn't get it gifted to them by the state, and move on.

[Cajun Power]

_ It's a pattern.

State has no interest in baseball. UNO makes the CWS... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in men's basketball. UL has a Top-10 team... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in women's basketball. Tech wins an NC... BAM! State has to have a team.

State has no interest in softball. UL has a Top-10 team... BAM! State has to have a team (not to mention our coach).

And it goes for academics, too.

UL has a PhD in Comp Sci? State has to have it.

UL has a research park? State has to have one.

UL develops Francophone Studies? State says they have the same thing.

UL focuses on Cajun studies? State begins hiring faculty in Cajun studies.

UL gets a PhD option in Rhetoric? State has to duplicate it.

UL has one of the largest US nursing programs? State ramps theirs up.

UL has one of the best architecture departments in the South? State tries to shut it down.

UL's English PhD outperforms State's, in graduates/faculty, in graduate employment? State tries to shut it down.

UL hires one of the top people in the world in biofuels? State scrambles to develop their own program.

UL develops LUMCON at Cocodrie? State uses their political clout to grab control of it.

UL develops the concept of a management center for disasters? State duplicates it.

UL and ULM begin excavating at Poverty Point? State jumps in the middle with both feet (and screws it up, too).

UL hires a string of top-notch writers (John Kennedy Toole, James Lee Burke, Ernest Gaines)? State tries to usurp them all.

It even goes to the little things. We use "Geaux", they copy it. We write "Hot Boudin," they claim they originated it. I even remember when we came out with t-shirts for USL where the "L" was the state of Louisiana, and within weeks, State was making exactly the same thing with the letters reversed.

But what has State generated that is innovative? That's easy.

Nothing.

The most important measure of a University is the level of innovation, of intellectual activity, of pioneering courage.

Which is why, despite State and BR's vastly larger funding and political clout, Lafayette and UL are beating their fat butts all over the place. _

Beautiful. I was at LSU for two years and was incredibly unimpressed. My two years at UL have been great. My professors have been much better than at LSU, my classes have been more interesting and I have really enjoyed the experience.

When I was at LSU, everything seemed like a rip-off of UL or New Orleans (and this year proved my point with Baton Rouge hosting a blues festival during the same week as Festival International). Being there during Katrina really soured me on the whole experience. I got sick of hearing the media crow over their temporary status as the "most populus city in the state" and salivating over their new found glory. LSU has a lot to offer, but I was left with the distinct impression that they couldn't care less about anything except making sure their in-state competition was subordinate.

I graduate in a week and then I'm off to the best law school in the state: Tulane. (LSU got whipped in the bar passage rate competition this year, BTW.) I look forward to working as a UL alumni to ensure that our school continues to flourish and expand, despite the attempts by LSUA&M-BR to usurp our every achievement.

[GrandCoteauTiger]

yes, twice in 30 years Tulane beats LSU in the Bar Results, twice. Way to run with that one.

Well, I took business courses at Vandy and LSU and I thought the professors at LSU were just as good. It was the ancillary things where Vandy crushed LSU.

I am also taking classes in UL's MBA program and it is great, but the facilities suck. So, one gets what they put into school.

The rankings all say that Vandy and Tulane are better than LSU, the rankings all say that LSU is better UL, so there it is.

[Cajun Power]

_ yes, twice in 30 years Tulane beats LSU in the Bar Results, twice. Way to run with that one.

It's been more than that this decade. You just like to make stuff up, don't you?

[LsuULfan]

_ yes, twice in 30 years Tulane beats LSU in the Bar Results, twice. Way to run with that one.

Well, I took business courses at Vandy and LSU and I thought the professors at LSU were just as good. It was the ancillary things where Vandy crushed LSU.

I am also taking classes in UL's MBA program and it is great, but the facilities suck. So, one gets what they put into school.

The rankings all say that Vandy and Tulane are better than LSU, the rankings all say that LSU is better UL, so there it is. _

Yes, overall (any) schools may rank above, below or whatever.

But what-IMO gets lost in the chest pounding or castigation on both sides-are a couple of things. First, like in most things you get out what you put into it. If you work hard and are into a ciriculum, then you are probably going to master whatever it is. Obviously teachers can get you more excited or less excited about the material. Second, different people like or dislike different things about schools. Some like bigger, some like smaller. I knew people from Lafayette who hated LSU or BR-it was too big or whatever. I knew people who loved it. I think both schools have things going for them that can appeal to different types of people. I think if you work hard at either you end up with a good degree and can do well in a profession if you work hard and take care of business.

[Turbine]

. . . So, one gets what they put into school.

... First, like in most things you get out what you put into it. If you work hard and are into a ciriculum, then you are probably going to master whatever it is.

I 3rd the motion.

[Cajunsmike]

_ turb, you're the research guy--tell me: what came first, pistol pete's years, or the usl top 10 ranking? what came first, bob petit's final four sec champs or usl's top 10 ranking? turb, i know it's a ul board, and of course it's going to be slanted hard in favor of all things local, but you are a pretty bright guy, it appears to me--when really stupid things are posted, i could see you ignoring them in deference to the party line, but to actively jump on board? i don't get it, you're better than that. _

Bob Petitt was at LSU in the 50's. At about the same time, the Cajuns were starting to do well in Division 2. I believe Pete Maravich's senior year was Bo Lamar's freshman year. I don't know how much of a crowd LSU was getting during the Petitt years but I know everyone loved to watch Pete as he was such a showman. In the remaing three years, LSU basketball fell off the face of the earth while the Cajuns prospered tremendously. Dale Brown was hired at about the same time the Cajuns were hit with probation.