Men's Basketball vs UALR

[CrazyCajun]

Agreed. Hencey optimism about next year. I know Crazy gets annoyed when we use that justification, and I get his point, but we have some talent and athleticism coming in. And I think, just at the right time.

Nobody wants you to be right more than me

[Turbine]

If you know Paul then you would know that he would not post that about himself. After all the mediocrity we've had to endure for the (almost) last decade; it needed to be said. During the very short time that he was our recruiting coordinator how about Ross Mouton,Adam James,Bryan Hamilton,Chris Cameron,Dwayne Mitchell,Orien Greene,Tirus Wade,etc. He's never really been acknowledged for any of the success we had at that time. But I know, I was there.

I'm a fan.

I was hoping Marlin would hire hum last year.

https://forumeus.com/...145#post420145

He is a winner.

[Boomer]

Nobody wants you to be right more than me

---I loved going to ARK for the conference Tourney and think I will love NO even better-----So Roll Call I guess needs to be taken!!!

[Frenchie35]

Put your opinion up against any of the names Elfrid played with this summer and you would find out you have no clue what you're talking about.

And your opinion is set in gold I suppose.....So I guess I will have to assume that you know what you are talking about. You see it all amounts to every one has an opinion of their own. So I will take your opinion about me for what it's worth and say nothing about yours. Because it's your opinion......

[SlappyCajun]

If you know Paul then you would know that he would not post that about himself. After all the mediocrity we've had to endure for the (almost) last decade; it needed to be said. During the very short time that he was our recruiting coordinator how about Ross Mouton,Adam James,Bryan Hamilton,Chris Cameron,Dwayne Mitchell,Orien Greene,Tirus Wade,etc. He's never really been acknowledged for any of the success we had at that time. But I know, I was there.

My interactions with Paul are limited. I never even knew he was te recruiting coordinator. Is he still in coaching?

[CajunHaven]

My interactions with Paul are limited. I never even knew he was te recruiting coordinator. Is he still in coaching?

Yes he is still coaching through his company(see Turbine's earlier link)

[duggie85]

And your opinion is set in gold I suppose.....So I guess I will have to assume that you know what you are talking about. You see it all amounts to every one has an opinion of their own. So I will take your opinion about me for what it's worth and say nothing about yours. Because it's your opinion......

To say he would sit the bench is an uneducated statement. I'm not stating my opinion, it's a fact. Not only did Elfrid make the team for the top talented under 19 players in the U.S., but was good enough to be considered one of the best 5. If you kept up with college basketball in general, you would know the guys he played with are the cream of the crop.

As J1M said, we have someone who every magazine and analyst says is a star and 90% of this board denies it. Blows my mind.

[Boomer]

To say he would sit the bench is an uneducated statement. I'm not stating my opinion, it's a fact. Not only did Elfrid make the team for the top talented under 19 players in the U.S., but was good enough to be considered one of the best 5. If you kept up with college basketball in general, you would know the guys he played with are the cream of the crop.

As J1M said, we have someone who every magazine and analyst says is a star and 90% of this board denies it. Blows my mind.

---------Well I think that there is an obvious answer to this discussion if you think about it in this way---EP gets the summer gigs and explodes with his driving, dribbling, passing, and running the offense ---he excels very much due to his support cast and his talents being used to exactly what that team needed----the UL b-ball team is a totally different situation where he is needed to be more of a scorer and this he is not in the sense of his shooting---more and more teams will back off of him and dare the 3 point shot ----he won't be able to drive to the goal and this will be a problem----Just putting my defense in against the Cajuns!!!! I think that Shepherd has a chance to be as good as EP down the line as he is faster, quicker, and his % is/was literally the best in the country---I have mentioned the high speed reverse spin on his shot and hopefully he can get the deal together-----God just get a shot and we are going to have a great pro!!! Oh and I might add that some of his driving, dribbling, passing, and running the offense along with great defense has been some of the most exciting ever seen by a Cajun player!!!!

[ManAboutTown]

To say he would sit the bench is an uneducated statement. I'm not stating my opinion, it's a fact. Not only did Elfrid make the team for the top talented under 19 players in the U.S., but was good enough to be considered one of the best 5. If you kept up with college basketball in general, you would know the guys he played with are the cream of the crop.

As J1M said, we have someone who every magazine and analyst says is a star and 90% of this board denies it. Blows my mind.

Maybe thats because 90% of this board watches the majority of his games and sees similar trends. Is it out of the realm of possibility that he overachieved this summer? Or maybe peaked? Or maybe had a brilliant few months, gave coaches around the league some film on his game (though improved), and now he's being forced to overcome his weaknesses; hence giving the illusion of an underwhelming 'looking' all around game?

To a certain extent, we created this monster. We all bought in, we all hyped, we all got jacked after witnessing his improvements. Maybe we just got so high on the EP Kool Aide that it was impossible for him to live up to our own expectations..

But I don't think thats the case. I see a player with a lot of work ahead of him, still. Not saying he hasn't come a long way already.. Only time will tell.

[duggie85]

Maybe thats because 90% of this board watches the majority of his games and sees similar trends. Is it out of the realm of possibility that he overachieved this summer? Or maybe peaked? Or maybe had a brilliant few months, gave coaches around the league some film on his game (though improved), and now he's being forced to overcome his weaknesses; hence giving the illusion of an underwhelming 'looking' all around game?

To a certain extent, we created this monster. We all bought in, we all hyped, we all got jacked after witnessing his improvements. Maybe we just got so high on the EP Kool Aide that it was impossible for him to live up to our own expectations..

But I don't think thats the case. I see a player with a lot of work ahead of him, still. Not saying he hasn't come a long way already.. Only time will tell.

Statistically, Elfrid is having the best individual season than any of our guards in the last 14 years (site doesn't give full stats any further). Granted, only 2 of them were NBA material so I may be hurting my case for him haha. But everyone compares this team to Jessie's players talent and this is the comparisons:

Elfrid: 19.6 ppg, 49%, 5.7 rpg, 6apg
Laurie Bridges: 10 ppg, 41%, 6 rpg, 3 apg
Tiras Wade: 20 ppg, 46%, 6 rpg, 1 apg
Dwayne M.: 16 ppg, 52%, 8 rpg, 4 apg
Easter Bunny: 14 ppg, 45%, 7 rpg, 1.5 apg
Brad Boyd: 16.8 ppg, 39%, 2.5 rpg, 3 apg
David Dees: 17 ppg, 40%, 5 rpg, 3 apg
Antoine L.: 13 ppg, 44%, 2 rpg, 1.6 apg
Orien G.: 11 ppg, 39%, 4.5 rpg, 4 apg

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/louisiana-lafayette/elfrid-payton

[zephyr]

Statistically, Elfrid is having the best individual season than any of our guards in the last 14 years (site doesn't give full stats any further). Granted, only 2 of them were NBA material so I may be hurting my case for him haha. But everyone compares this team to Jessie's players talent and this is the comparisons:

Elfrid: 19.6 ppg, 49%, 5.7 rpg, 6apg
Laurie Bridges: 10 ppg, 41%, 6 rpg, 3 apg
Tiras Wade: 20 ppg, 46%, 6 rpg, 1 apg
Dwayne M.: 16 ppg, 52%, 8 rpg, 4 apg
Easter Bunny: 14 ppg, 45%, 7 rpg, 1.5 apg
Brad Boyd: 16.8 ppg, 39%, 2.5 rpg, 3 apg
David Dees: 17 ppg, 40%, 5 rpg, 3 apg
Antoine L.: 13 ppg, 44%, 2 rpg, 1.6 apg
Orien G.: 11 ppg, 39%, 4.5 rpg, 4 apg

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pla.../elfrid-payton

I have not gone through this entire thread but I did see you mention that most of the people on this forum do not feel EP is a star. I think that is inaccurate. I think most people believe he has come a long way and is a solid player who will go down as one of the better players we've had over the years. Where he falls short is that its quite simple. Some stars can carry a team on their shoulders and will them to victories. Other stars continuously put up great numbers but fall short in quality victories and crunchtime delivery. I'm not saying EP doesn't deliver but his game is not well rounded enough yet to really carry a team when its needed. His game is getting to the hoop and creating. The last few opponents we've played have figured out ways to slow him down and he hasn't been able to adjust and hit the mid range shot, kick out to guys who can actually knock it down or make the key free throws when he get fouled which is a lot.

As much as I like Payton, IMO his game has holes that he needs to work on filling to truly lead a team to wins. When he plays on the Junior National team, he is playing with guys as good or better than him with an arsenal of weapons both down low and on the perimeter. Playing with Marcus Smart and some of the best big men in the country will allow you to look good as it is always easier to lift your game when playing with other good players.

[cajun4life]

Statistically, Elfrid is having the best individual season than any of our guards in the last 14 years (site doesn't give full stats any further). Granted, only 2 of them were NBA material so I may be hurting my case for him haha. But everyone compares this team to Jessie's players talent and this is the comparisons:

Elfrid: 19.6 ppg, 49%, 5.7 rpg, 6apg
Laurie Bridges: 10 ppg, 41%, 6 rpg, 3 apg
Tiras Wade: 20 ppg, 46%, 6 rpg, 1 apg
Dwayne M.: 16 ppg, 52%, 8 rpg, 4 apg
Easter Bunny: 14 ppg, 45%, 7 rpg, 1.5 apg
Brad Boyd: 16.8 ppg, 39%, 2.5 rpg, 3 apg
David Dees: 17 ppg, 40%, 5 rpg, 3 apg
Antoine L.: 13 ppg, 44%, 2 rpg, 1.6 apg
Orien G.: 11 ppg, 39%, 4.5 rpg, 4 apg

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pla.../elfrid-payton

All better than Elfrid Peyton.