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    Quote Originally Posted by bjc6267 View Post
    In the words of the great philosopher Rick Flair, to be the man, you gotta beat the man. You want Louisiana, then we gotta own anyone in Louisiana not named LSU. The next 12 months gives us a chance to beat Tulane, Southern, tech, and Monroe. Scoreboard was not a big deal at all but I did not like the first down chant. I disagree with the guy who said use ragin Cajun first down. At least it gave the fans a reason to chant louisiana louder. We have to take care of business on field.
    We've taken care of business on the field for the last 3 years until yesterday, and before kickoff we were un-Louisiana.

    In Omaha, we were Louisiana for ONE DAY, until "pressure" came.

    In Oklahoma City, we were "UL - Lafayette," even after we sent the #1 team in the land to the losers' bracket.

    On the March Madness selection show, we were "Louisiana-Lafayette."

    Sorry... the "on the field" argument doesn't stand up to the facts.

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    Where is the SID to answer these questions?


  3. USL (1960-1983)  (1985-1998) Re: Did We Surrender Last Night?

    He is getting his NOLA Bowl information sheet ready, and it includes fifteen things not to call us, and they will call us every one of those fifteen.


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    Wait, do some here think the way the name issue was handled last night was noticed by the team and was part of the reason the Cajuns played so poorly and lost the game? Is there a connection?


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    Quote Originally Posted by timlan2057 View Post
    And of course I'm not talking about on the field. I'm talking about the bigger picture of our branding, marketing and progressing as an athletic department and university as a whole. The fight to be called "Louisiana" is a worthy one, not only because of history back to 1984, but the fact that this university sits in the cleanest, most unique, most cultured and beautiful mid-sized city in the United States. The potential here is beyond the sky.

    I'm there with my "Say My Name" sign--and I wasn't the only one. And yet, I suppose our administration--I mean, who else could it be?--makes us look foolish by not "saying our name" in our own house. Yes, I thought muzzling our own PA announcer in our own stadium was shameful. I could have overlooked the "Cajuns-Warhawks" score board but taken in tandem, it just added to my sadness.

    Can someone please tell me that for President Savoie, AD Farmer and Martin Hall, that this was a temporary "discretion-is-the-better-part-of-valor" strategic retreat in preparation for a full charge? Is there a long-term strategy that I have missed? Please, someone educate me if that is true.

    Otherwise, I've lost a lot of stomach for this fight, if our leadership is going to cut us off at the knees like they did Saturday night. Heck, I guess only a few of us on this board were really fighting it and all the stuff in the media over the last few weeks was illusory. If not, we sure threw it away in a bundle last night. And most students don't "get it." I talk to them every day. To them, the "Louisiana" thing was something we, in a good-natured way, play against with ULM for "bragging rights."

    I guess the LSUAMBR people are right--I should "know my place." I am a native south Louisianian who was thrilled to return "home" for graduate school. I'll be leaving the city I've come to love and feel is the best place on earth in May, but I suppose I have to accept the fact that my graduate alma mater, the second largest university in the state with almost 20K students, is nothing more than what they say we are: a "directional" school who should just accept that the flagship is 50 miles east and be happy with crumbs from the table.

    I was really motivated about leading the charge on Student Government towards getting a referendum for a student athletic fee of 50-100 dollars per semester put on the Spring election docket. The process would not have been easy; I was politicking behind the scenes trying to line up support from the College of Presidents to put it on the Senate floor and working on tentative strategies to get the student body to pass it like we got the student fees passed last year to help fund the Master Plan. Yes, somewhere in there the Board of Regents would have to sign off on it, but it would not get started without the students passing it. I was going to get in touch with the Athletic Department and get someone--hopefully our AD--to speak--passionately, I hope-- to the COP and the SGA senate, about the need for a consistent, non-variable source of funding. The approximately five million a year would have been a good start.

    Maybe I'll feel motivated again in a few days and this is just temporary angst from last night. But right now, I just don't feel like leading it. Someone else will, I hope, and I know the "big picture" is bigger than any individuals in Martin Hall or on Reinhardt Drive. But we need to be led from the top. And whether they intended it this way or not, the message our administrative and athletic departments sent to us front-line troops last night with that surrender to those north Louisiana rednecks and this bush-league conference we are in is: "we're happy with what we have" and "we should know our place."

    Now, the vultures in Monroe, Baton Rouge and everywhere else can look, laugh and say as we waved our signs: "Your own leadership doesn't believe that! You are who WE say you are." Why? Because our leadership, by caving last night, did what Richard Nixon said he did for his enemies with Watergate: "I gave them a sword." And our enemies surely did--and will do--what Nixon said his enemies did: " ... and they stuck it in with relish."

    I guess what I thought was a widespread grass-roots surge to move forward, being realistically aware of long-term and short-term goals, was nothing more than we got ridiculously lucky to hire a football coach who came in and changed the culture, but who will be gone one day--and maybe soon. I wonder what Hud would say, if he shared his heart-of-hearts, about what happened last night regarding the surrender? Oh btw, I was in a meeting where we listened to candidates for a recently filled high administrative university post. I wish the recent hire well. I will admit, the hire lost me totally by saying, in so many words that: "we need to recognize who LSU is and who we are." The candidate then elaborated that "we are smaller and more nimble so we can make quicker adjustments." I'm probably dumb, but the message in a nutshell seemed to be "We need to recognize we're smaller than LSU." I dunno. That seems to be the culture, and there's only so much that Hud can do to change it off the football field.

    But while I hope my feelings of futility right now are temporary and maybe someone educates me that what I feel was surrender is really short-term retreat, I've lost my stomach for this fight and just don't feel like the fight would be worth it for grass-roots student passage of an athletic fee. Don't let me paint a false picture--that can be accomplished from other sources, but this was a campaign I was excited about.

    However, the message from Martin Hall and Reinhardt Drive seems to be to sheathe our swords, wave white flags and just accept what is handed down to us from Monroe, the Sunbelt, the media, Baton Rouge, the state legislature and on and on.

    Hell, maybe this IS a fight we can't win.

    But I ask again, hoping someone can tell me I'm wrong ... did we surrender last night?
    This needs to be put in the Vermilion... Perfectly written... Also hand deliver a copy to t-joe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    Wait, do some here think the way the name issue was handled last night was noticed by the team and was part of the reason the Cajuns played so poorly and lost the game? Is there a connection?
    I will tell you this much. Hud loves sameness on game day, game week. He hated having games all over the calendar.

    If he wants sameness, the normal, the same, then yes all this name commotion had a possible connection to the product on the field, or he is just plain wrong about wanting every little thing to be the usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yep View Post
    Where is the SID to answer these questions?
    Anyone check Tabitha's room at the airport Holiday Inn?

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    I used a Watergate reference earlier. Here's another.

    Senator Howard Baker cut through a lot of the complications with the profoundly simple question: "What did the President know and when did he know it?"

    I think we have a right to know the same thing.

    Was the "muzzling" decision decreed by the AD with the blessing of the President? Or did the President not know a thing about this? I suppose there is plausible deniability. If the heat gets too intense, Martin Hall could pass the buck to the AD's office.

    I don't think I'm being unreasonable to think we have a right to know what prompted this decision. If there was pressure from Baton Rouge or the SBC, exactly who was it from? Was Benson directly involved? Who said what? What was the ultimatum or the threat?

    I'm not interested in a witch hunt. Color me probably too idealistic, but I think we are owed a full explanation from Martin Hall. And expressing such a wish and expecting answers is not being unreasonable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    Wait, do some here think the way the name issue was handled last night was noticed by the team and was part of the reason the Cajuns played so poorly and lost the game? Is there a connection?
    I know it affected many fans. Never heard first down so quietly. The blank cheer was unmotivating.

    If the admin wanted to ____ off the fans, the PA announcer should have said ULL or UL-Laf. Maybe the fans and team storm the pressbox to rip the wires off the mike.

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    I did not realize the "____" word was not allowed on this board. I guess I could have used "greatly annoyed the fans".


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    Is anyone curious as to what the "official" line will be on KPEL tomorrow?? I'm wondering if Jay and Steve have been talking to make sure they're on the same page. While I don't think Steve posts here, I've been waiting for Jay to give us his "my God, you've all gone off the deep end" speech. Maybe the water is still too hot for him to wade in. I'm looking forward to hear what Foote says if he's asked about this. He seems to be the one least worried about upsetting the "powers."


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    I feel betrayed by the administration.

    Over the past 12 months we have been encouraged to speak up and take a stand against anyone who did not call us Louisiana.

    Many die hard fans did just that and argued until we were blue in the face both in private conversations as well as public outlets.

    Last night the first time the PA announcer said first down, and killed one of the few Cajun Field traditions we have, I felt like we were hung out to dry.

    Any opponents to the Louisiana athletic name now has a very valid argument.

    The adminstration made all die hard UL fans look completely stupid last night and I am ____ed.


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