UL Athlete Andrew Toney

[douglas]

i haven't reached out to Manny but i'm not done yet, the whole project moves in a liquid sense, due to the extremely complicated grey nature of everything. as far as Phillip goes i have asked him several times as well as tom cox has to talk in person but with no response.

the one thing that confuses me is the idea that the program completely denies helping kids out with things-they don't and never have denied that and neither will i. The notion of a SMU style payroll from people is pretty off base, all you have to do is look at the vehicles kids drove in college -Bo crappy toyota, roy crappy duece and a half with no ac and one working door, marvin and payton shared a corvair that they had to tie the back door shut and so forth. If Manny was the "Bag Man" the bag was more like a marble pouch with money that jingles instead of folds. Besides my taste in vehicles if you look at the final allegations after the bunk one's are tossed out the "pay for play" style charges are not at all what people think.

the main thing i have to consider that a lot of people don't get is every interview costs money-out of towners normally run about 1k a pop after hotels, shooting locations, food etc. So the info i get out of it has to be worth it and i don't think Manny saying the same thing that tom cox says is worth 1k-sorry phillip.

[douglas]

so my perspective? if you think this story and life itself are black or white issues you are wrong and have never been in the position where people depend on you for something. I am not trying to "whitewash" anyone or anything, i don't think the book covered the material as it should and i understand why but don't fully agree.

It is time people stop counting violations and ask instead "what did they violate and why?", i also ask people to look at USL's actions and compare them to what is being debated on the ncaa floor right now-allowances for players, travel to and from home and the definition of amateurism itself.

i know no matter what i do i will have people who love it and people who hate it and that's how you know you are doing something right

[RaginFan2]

so my perspective? if you think this story and life itself are black or white issues you are wrong and have never been in the position where people depend on you for something. I am not trying to "whitewash" anyone or anything, i don't think the book covered the material as it should and i understand why but don't fully agree.

It is time people stop counting violations and ask instead "what did they violate and why?", i also ask people to look at USL's actions and compare them to what is being debated on the ncaa floor right now-allowances for players, travel to and from home and the definition of amateurism itself.

i know no matter what i do i will have people who love it and people who hate it and that's how you know you are doing something right

You have that absolutely right, Douglas! Keep up the good work!

[GetTheFacts1st]

DOuglas wrote, "from what i am told elvin ivory would have takin both of their lunch money at the same time"

U were told wrong

[GetTheFacts1st]

Douglas wrote, " i haven't reached out to Manny but i'm not done yet."

You mean the nimble nut who threw us under the bus?

[douglas]

DOuglas wrote, "from what i am told elvin ivory would have takin both of their lunch money at the same time"

U were told wrong

different times, different games. not hating on toney,bo, or fogle all were killer players.

[USL1970]

so my perspective? if you think this story and life itself are black or white issues you are wrong and have never been in the position where people depend on you for something. I am not trying to "whitewash" anyone or anything, i don't think the book covered the material as it should and i understand why but don't fully agree.

It is time people stop counting violations and ask instead "what did they violate and why?", i also ask people to look at USL's actions and compare them to what is being debated on the ncaa floor right now-allowances for players, travel to and from home and the definition of amateurism itself.

i know no matter what i do i will have people who love it and people who hate it and that's how you know you are doing something right

Thank you for the honest response and wish you success on your project. If it was not difficult, then it would not be worth doing. You have chosen an interesting subject.

[Turbine]

The successful UL recruiting angles of the late 60's I am reminded of are these . . .

1) UL had already established a winning tradition. UL = Player magnet

2) The demand for the players UL recruited was nothing compared to what it would be today. UL = Player magnet.

And 3rd the former Wall Street wiz kid who resorts to desparate measures later in his career, does not meam he cheated in his early successes.

Trying to maintain a recruiting reputation (established in the late 60's) in a late 70's (a much much tighter market) could easily have "lead" to job preservation cheating.

[Boomer]

Douglas wrote, " i haven't reached out to Manny but i'm not done yet."

You mean the nimble nut who threw us under the bus?

WWOOOOOOAAAAAA---Manny was a good guy and not the ___ that spilled everything, even fabricated crap to the NCAA---He (names escapes me) was resentful to the max for not getting a position and in fact let go!!!!

[donallen]

The name you are searching for is that of former assistant Harry Garverick. For the last four decades, he's usually been characterized as the villain in the story, which is probably only partially correct. What happened back then is far beyond any single person's responsibility.
Manny was a player (not the athletic kind) and good friends with Beryl and Tom. He steered a few dudes the Cajuns way, no question.

[USL1970]

The name you are searching for is that of former assistant Harry Garverick. For the last four decades, he's usually been characterized as the villain in the story, which is probably only partially correct. What happened back then is far beyond any single person's responsibility.
Manny was a player (not the athletic kind) and good friends with Beryl and Tom. He steered a few dudes the Cajuns way, no question.

Here is a link to Shipley's alleged scapegoat or villian:

http://marion367writers.blogspot.com...o-profile.html

An interesting article.

[douglas]

Here is a link to Shipley's alleged scapegoat or villian:

http://marion367writers.blogspot.com...o-profile.html

An interesting article.

I ran across this article a while back and was kind of puzzled at how people can shape a reality after 40 some odd years.
I still am uncertain how he could have recruited Winkler since he wasn't even on the staff when wink came in?? Also the ditty about no was odd since no one really recruited no, they took him as the consolation prize after they lost ed Ratliff and nick Connors, all 3 from the same high school team, bo was beyond under the radar having less than 5 offers total so for harry to make those claims speaks volumes.