How Recruiting and Results Work ( jmo )

[Cowboy Up]

I find this thread rather interesting, because every year a discussion arises about "are UL, La Tech, ULM recruiting the same players as McNeese or NWST?" That will always be open for vigorous debate ( we really wanted Kory Raymond to be a Cowboy). However, I can say this with some degree of certainty that McNeese coaches had a great deal of respect for your "recruits." We felt coming into the game that UL's front six on defense (4 down lineman & 2 corners) were as good as any mid-major program we had previously faced. For McNeese to be successful in its offensive scheme, it was believed that we had to exploit the linebackers and the safeties. It was reasonably successful; however, UL took away our "lateral" game do to the pursuit of the corners.

On defense, we felt that if we could take away the zone read running game with Fenroy/Desormeaux we would stop the passing lanes and force UL to stay "one-dimensional". It worked for us. However, if UL had used more "mis-direction" it waould have greatly comprised our scheme and our speed. UL did it once with the touchdown scored by #18 ( I think).

This excercise is not meant as an insult to the UL team or the fans, but a view from a competitor of our fears when playing you guys. We could not compete with your depth, your home field, and your lateral speed. We had to take away what you did best, protect the football, and hope we could survive. We got lucky on one night and that one game changed the fortunes of two football programs.

So, I guess my point is that I do not feel that firing Ricky Bustle will solve the current problems in the program. Any new coach will have to build with what is left in players. Sometimes that is good; sometimes that is bad. I think UL has good recruits but poor execution. There does not seem to be redundancy in the offense and defense. . . in a word depth. When you can build that depth during reps in practice and in games, you build confidence into the young talent that is already there. Losing Hundley was big because his talent (pro style passer) causes an opposing team to change defensive schemes that they had not practiced for. Depth requires good position coaches that know what their specialty can bring to a game. Versatilty and the ability to adapt to game changes are the real key to good coaching. Does Bustle and his staff have it? I don't know. But, losing 4 key coaches from the previous year has probably changed the dynamic with game preparation. Remember, coaches have to have the proverbial "chemistry" before the team can.

UL has 30% of its players from out-of-state. it takes strong coaches to get these kids from various backgrounds to play as a team. I think that is all that is lacking. The "we" is greater than the "I". Can UL build the depth for next year? Maybe. Its going to take good chemistry and for coaches to challenge the players to get to the next level. Can it by done? Yes. Appalachian St. did it to Michigan. Bustle needs to start now . . .I think he has the kids to do it; he just needs to tap in to all who are there in the program.

To all UL fans, please forgive my long-winded dissertation. McNeese fans have more respect for your program than you will ever know.

[CajunGuru]

I find this thread rather interesting, because every year a discussion arises about "are UL, La Tech, ULM recruiting the same players as McNeese or NWST?" That will always be open for vigorous debate ( we really wanted Kory Raymond to be a Cowboy). However, I can say this with some degree of certainty that McNeese coaches had a great deal of respect for your "recruits." We felt coming into the game that UL's front six on defense (4 down lineman & 2 corners) were as good as any mid-major program we had previously faced. For McNeese to be successful in its offensive scheme, it was believed that we had to exploit the linebackers and the safeties. It was reasonably successful; however, UL took away our "lateral" game do to the pursuit of the corners.

On defense, we felt that if we could take away the zone read running game with Fenroy/Desormeaux we would stop the passing lanes and force UL to stay "one-dimensional". It worked for us. However, if UL had used more "mis-direction" it waould have greatly comprised our scheme and our speed. UL did it once with the touchdown scored by #18 ( I think).

This excercise is not meant as an insult to the UL team or the fans, but a view from a competitor of our fears when playing you guys. We could not compete with your depth, your home field, and your lateral speed. We had to take away what you did best, protect the football, and hope we could survive. We got lucky on one night and that one game changed the fortunes of two football programs. _

I think this discussion comes up every year in concerns of UL and McNeese recruiting the same prospects. In Louisiana, they do cross each other in recruiting. In the area of skilled positions, the Cowboys have recruited athletes that can play in the Sun Belt. Louisiana has too many athletes that are not qualified and the top athletes are going to high mid-majors and BCS programs. In the Lafayette area alone we have kids like Figaro, Broussard, Porter, Ausberry and others that are not eligible, but have the athletic ability to play in the Sun Belt. These kids are going to end up at state schools, just like Lawrence and Jim did at McNeese St. In Texas, both programs have crossed each other as well. In Mississippi, Alabama and Florida, the Cajuns are recruiting against Sun Belt, CUSA and MAC programs. Until the Cajuns start winning, we are not in the top four choices for kids in this state.

[Cowboy Up]

I respect your opinion Guru, however, I hit the post button too early because I had more to say about UL than just recruiting. It is so true that the most important talent to look for in today's recruits is not his 40 time but his GPA.

Your words speak volumes, and it gets tougher if you are a state school and NOT in the FBS Division.

Thanks.

[CajunShocker]

I love how all of my posts keep disappearing. I must be a huge a--hole.

[MissingMandy]

I find this thread rather interesting, because every year a discussion arises about "are UL, La Tech, ULM recruiting the same players as McNeese or NWST?" That will always be open for vigorous debate ( we really wanted Kory Raymond to be a Cowboy). However, I can say this with some degree of certainty that McNeese coaches had a great deal of respect for your "recruits." We felt coming into the game that UL's front six on defense (4 down lineman & 2 corners) were as good as any mid-major program we had previously faced. For McNeese to be successful in its offensive scheme, it was believed that we had to exploit the linebackers and the safeties. It was reasonably successful; however, UL took away our "lateral" game do to the pursuit of the corners.

On defense, we felt that if we could take away the zone read running game with Fenroy/Desormeaux we would stop the passing lanes and force UL to stay "one-dimensional". It worked for us. However, if UL had used more "mis-direction" it waould have greatly comprised our scheme and our speed. UL did it once with the touchdown scored by #18 ( I think).

This excercise is not meant as an insult to the UL team or the fans, but a view from a competitor of our fears when playing you guys. We could not compete with your depth, your home field, and your lateral speed. We had to take away what you did best, protect the football, and hope we could survive. We got lucky on one night and that one game changed the fortunes of two football programs.

So, I guess my point is that I do not feel that firing Ricky Bustle will solve the current problems in the program. Any new coach will have to build with what is left in players. Sometimes that is good; sometimes that is bad. I think UL has good recruits but poor execution. There does not seem to be redundancy in the offense and defense. . . in a word depth. When you can build that depth during reps in practice and in games, you build confidence into the young talent that is already there. Losing Hundley was big because his talent (pro style passer) causes an opposing team to change defensive schemes that they had not practiced for. Depth requires good position coaches that know what their specialty can bring to a game. Versatilty and the ability to adapt to game changes are the real key to good coaching. Does Bustle and his staff have it? I don't know. But, losing 4 key coaches from the previous year has probably changed the dynamic with game preparation. Remember, coaches have to have the proverbial "chemistry" before the team can.

UL has 30% of its players from out-of-state. it takes strong coaches to get these kids from various backgrounds to play as a team. I think that is all that is lacking. The "we" is greater than the "I". Can UL build the depth for next year? Maybe. Its going to take good chemistry and for coaches to challenge the players to get to the next level. Can it by done? Yes. Appalachian St. did it to Michigan. Bustle needs to start now . . .I think he has the kids to do it; he just needs to tap in to all who are there in the program.

To all UL fans, please forgive my long-winded dissertation. McNeese fans have more respect for your program than you will ever know. _

Thanks for your thoughtful words. I don't really know why the quote comes from Missingmandy because I would never say to fire coach bustle nor do I want to be associated with that thought process at all. I think Coach Bustle is a great coach so anyone reading this needs to know that I NEVER suggested or even thought that and I am not sure why my screen name is quoted at the top but it needs to be removed. I am no longer contributing to in any way to these boards.

[Cajunsmike]

So, I guess my point is that I do not feel that firing Ricky Bustle will solve the current problems in the program. Any new coach will have to build with what is left in players. Sometimes that is good; sometimes that is bad. I think UL has good recruits but poor execution. There does not seem to be redundancy in the offense and defense. . . in a word depth. When you can build that depth during reps in practice and in games, you build confidence into the young talent that is already there. Losing Hundley was big because his talent (pro style passer) causes an opposing team to change defensive schemes that they had not practiced for. Depth requires good position coaches that know what their specialty can bring to a game. Versatilty and the ability to adapt to game changes are the real key to good coaching. Does Bustle and his staff have it? I don't know. But, losing 4 key coaches from the previous year has probably changed the dynamic with game preparation. Remember, coaches have to have the proverbial "chemistry" before the team can.

To all UL fans, please forgive my long-winded dissertation. McNeese fans have more respect for your program than you will ever know.

I don't think losing Hundley was as big a deal as you make it out to be. He and Connor Morel were neck and neck as far as being the top backup. Most Cajun fans feel Morel was better suited to this offense anyway. Morel is a senior. However we are redshirting two QB' from Florida who were very impressive in summer drills.

[RonMexico]

I love how all of my posts keep disappearing. I must be a huge a--hole.

Honest opinion? yeah, you are a huge a**hole....at least on the board. More than likely a nice guy in public. You could probably be much easier to stomach if you were less condescending towards the parents of our players.

L'Ronte'

[Gbbaseball7]

_ I don't think losing Hundley was as big a deal as you make it out to be. He and Connor Morel were neck and neck as far as being the top backup. Most Cajun fans feel Morel was better suited to this offense anyway. Morel is a senior. However we are redshirting two QB' from Florida who were very impressive in summer drills. _

I agree. We (Players and Fans and yes Coaches) will continue to give their all this year. Next year is undetermined but what a person thinks and feels he brings into form.
As for me-- I think and feel "GEAUX CAJUNS!!!!!!!!!!"

[CajunShocker]

_ Honest opinion? yeah, you are a huge a**hole....at least on the board. More than likely a nice guy in public. You could probably be much easier to stomach if you were less condescending towards the parents of our players.

L'Ronte' _

Sorry, but I will defend my opinions against anyone. I never portrayed myself as superior to anyone.

[sandra]

_ Sorry, but I will defend my opinions against anyone. I never portrayed myself as superior to anyone. _

Is your "OPINION" without compassion for hurting parents feelings?

[CajunShocker]

_ Is your "OPINION" without compassion for hurting parents feelings? _

My original post is #5 and her response was #12. Go back a read those two and then come tell me who made it personal.

[sandra]

_ So who in the hell are we getting? Looks like 3rd and 4th tier talent that will bring no fan support what-so-ever.

Here is a shocker Mr. Shocker, you made it personal for every parent that has rooting interest in UL. Thanks for ripping our hearts out and cutting down our sons. And no I do not have a son at UL but I have the smarts enough to know that it hurts more to have a family member trashed than if it was me personally.