How Recruiting and Results Work ( jmo )

[Turbine]

TEAM C
-- since '04, they are 9 points away from having 2 winning seasons
-- since '04, they have a 16-12 record against SBC schools
-- since '02, they are 4-1 against UL
-- they have the lowest budget in the FBS(1-A) and the lowest paid coaches
they are ULM

Using lack of funding as an excuse for losing is old, tired, and done by LOSERS. _

I like posts like yours that helps put things into perspective and make me realize how far a team has to go to turn the corner. Then again sometimes teams not only take steps back from being there, sometimes they also take a step back from being close.

Along those lines . . .
In 2004 UL was 8 points away from a winning season and only 17 points away from an 8 win season.

In 2005 UL did have a winning season and was only 8 points away from having an 8 win season.

That's 25 points away from consecutive 8 win seasons.

In 2006 UL was 10 points away from a winning season.

That is 18 points away from 3 straight winning seasons

In 2007 (This year) OUCH I don't want to talk about it

[cajunlove]

_ I like posts like yours that helps put things into perspective and make me realize how far a team has to go to turn the corner. Then again sometimes teams not only take steps back from being there, sometimes they also take a step back from being close.

Along those lines . . .
In 2004 UL was 8 points away from a winning season and only 17 points away from an 8 win season.

In 2005 UL did have a winning season and was only 8 points away from having an 8 win season.

That's 25 points away from consecutive 8 win seasons.

In 2006 UL was 10 points away from a winning season.

That is 18 points away from 3 straight winning seasons

In 2007 (This year) OUCH I don't want to talk about it _

The bottom line is that those 18 points did not get scored, and the winning seasons did not happen. Programs are not built on "we were close." They are built on "we got it done."

I think that the prevailing attitude around here has for far too long and for as long as I can remember, included satisfaction with "making it close." "Getting close" is viewed by the excuse-makers as victory. The "triumphant loser" attitude and associated excuse making is the perfect way to continue repeating the failures that we have experienced so many times in the past. It's time for that attitude and all of the excuse making to be flushed. FACT.

[CajunShocker]

_ Here we go again with the recruiting quality. Learn some facts about the recruiting classes especially lasts years, which will be ready to play next year (some are allready playing) and the year after that then come here and talk smack. I am so sick of it. I guarantee these coaches are commited to building a great program. I guarantee they look at and offer local kids but hey one kickers dad...he probably knows it all!! Perhaps he has received NO letters because he really isn't that great and computer generated letters mean NOTHING so all of the other "letters" he has received mean nothing as well unless they are handwritten and unless a coach calls the player as often as allowed by then NCAA, then daddy can talk.Oh and by the way my son is not "a little coon ass"...have some respect and if you can't why don't you get out there and practice and play...let's see what level you're at...certainly know the level of your mouth. GRRRRRRRRRRR _

I reread my post to make sure that I did not make any derogatory comments and I don't think that I did, but since you decided to make it personal Mandy, I guess I can throw my hat in the ring too.

1st off, I don't need any facts about any recruiting classes to support my post. All I was doing was posing a question about the quality of our Florida recruits. Some have turned out to be pretty good, some have not. It costs a lot more money to recruit a kid out of Florida that is just OK, when you can probably find an OK kid from around Lafayette. But since you want facts, I went get some from Rivals.com. Here are our recruiting class rankings for the last 5 years.

2007 - 113th out of 124 (1 rated 3 stars, Jermaine Rogers)
2006 - 91st out of 125 (1 rated 3 stars, Korey Raymond)
2005 - 72nd out of 123 (3 rated 3 stars, 1 still on roster - Deon Wallace, 1 quit this year)
2004 - 97th out of 124 (0 rated 3 stars)
2003 - 56th out of 121 (4 rated 3 stars, 1 still on roster - Jordan Jackson)

Let me preface this by saying that you cannot arbitrarily rank talent, but rivals.com is about the best tool we have to come up with an answer. That being said, you told me to get facts about our previous recruiting classes, especially last years. Please let me know what is so special about last years recruiting class. Looks to be the worst out of the last 5 years, according to rivals. No offense, but I'll take rivals opinion over yours.

Secondly, I am not talking smack. I completely support all of ULs athletes and I think our coaches are great people. I base my opinions on results. We have had 1 winning season in the 6 years that Coach Bustle has been here. We are currently 1-7. He has had long enough, I am not seeing the results, sorry.

Thirdly, you think you are sick of it? Wow, your son just recently came to this school so I assume you became a fan sometime in the last two years and you are already sick of it. Imagine being a fan of UL for the past 25 years and seeing the same thing year after year. WE are sick of it.

Fourthly, about the kickers dad. I said in my post that I just met the guy and he could be blowing smoke. My point was that I don't think Bustle does a very good job of recruiting this area, which he doesn't. This is not the first time I have heard of recruits not even being contacted by UL when they live in ULs back yard. That's all I was saying.

Fifthly, what in the world makes you think that I was talking about your son? I don't even know who your son is. And don't believe the national media when they tell you that Nick Saban used the word coonass and WE consider it derogatory. I AM A LITTLE COONASS and proud of it, like a lot of cajuns are.

Sixthly, please don't pull that "why don't you get out there and play" bull____. I a little too old to be doing that, but let me tell you something. If I was blessed with some of these kids size, I would have been out there when I was in school. I played plenty of sports, and just because someone may not have the talent to play college ball does not mean that they can't be critical of the program that they spend there hard earned money supporting.

And finally, in regards to my "mouth". If you took offense to the word coon ass, I apologize. If you're not from here, maybe you don't quite understand what I meant by that and I am sorry if you took it the wrong way. But perhaps before you jump in here and go off on somebody's "mouth", you should take a second and think about the lifelong fans that spend the money that is currently paying for your son's education. Maybe you should show me some respect.

If any players read this, I'm sure you can handle it. If this hurts your feelings, then maybe you're not cut out for college athletics. If your goal is to go pro, better get accustomed to criticism.

[blackjack]

to responed to the statement of why we recruite Players From Fla. Well they are good all around ball players. Derrick Smith turned down Wisconson and Rutgers, Jason Cherry originally was committed to Ok State, Fred Davis was committed to Toledo then switch to the cajuns, Maurice Rolle turned down FAU, FIU and others, Frantz Accime Turned Down FIU, C. FLA Marshall and others to come to the cajuns. Verlin Moorer the same. Dont sound like 4th or 5th tier kids to me. Oh yeah Troy state has several kids on there team from Fla. Middle TN. But i do agree a better job needs to be done in Louisiana

[cajunfan96]

Excellent Post CajunShocker!!!!!!!!

[Jason]

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[CajunKahouna]

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[CajunShocker]

_ to responed to the statement of why we recruite Players From Fla. Well they are good all around ball players. Derrick Smith turned down Wisconson and Rutgers, Jason Cherry originally was committed to Ok State, Fred Davis was committed to Toledo then switch to the cajuns, Maurice Rolle turned down FAU, FIU and others, Frantz Accime Turned Down FIU, C. FLA Marshall and others to come to the cajuns. Verlin Moorer the same. Dont sound like 4th or 5th tier kids to me. Oh yeah Troy state has several kids on there team from Fla. Middle TN. But i do agree a better job needs to be done in Louisiana _

I do agree with you that some have turned out to be good players, but just as many have turned out to be busts. Just because a player originally committed to a bigger school and then de-commited does not make him a great player. I wouldn't however put much stock in someone who turned down Toledo, Marshall, or FIU. Same goes for a 5 star rated, blue chip prospect. They can turn out to be a donkey, too.

I have been impressed with the play of some of the guys you metioned above, though.

I am not concerned so much with where they wanted to go or how many stars some websited gives them. I am concerned with our coaching staffs ability to recognize and recruit talent. Like I said before, we are currently 1-7 and that speaks louder than anyones opinion on how talented our players are.

I do see that we are young, and perhaps another year for Bustle will show that he has recruited well and has built something solid, but I have to say that I am losing faith. I will support them till the day I die, but I don't think Bustle is the guy.

[rhineaux]

I do see that we are young, and perhaps another year for Bustle will show that he has recruited well and has built something solid, but I have to say that I am losing faith. I will support them till the day I die, but I don't think Bustle is the guy. _

This statement says a lot. I think that its easy to see that we've been able to recruit talent. A #7 ranked rushing offense will prove that. But its easy for all of us to see that Defense is often the straw that breaks the back. I don't know what the problem is...maybe he concentrated too much on offense before. Maybe he took as many chances on O players as D players, and it just worked otu better on the offensive side. Maybe the guys donig the defensive recruiting weren't that great of talent assessors. Who really knows. I do know that I hear a lot of folks harp on this youth thing and that they keep repeating that our youth is very athletic, and that it'll pay off. but, I agree with Shocker, I don't know that bustle is the guy to show us that. And like I've said before, if we do give him the chance to have another year, then is it worth the consequences if it doesn't work out?

Plus, if we axe a white guy with two years left on his deal after a 1 or two win season, then we'll surely never have to pay jerry Baldwin anything.

[ShowDog]

_ There are 119 FBS(1-A) schools in America.


TEAM A

-- has a 19 million budget
-- there are alomost 100 FBS(1-A) schools with a larger budget
-- since '02 they are 65-9
-- since '02 they have gone to 5 bowl games
-- since '02 they have beaten Oregon State(twice), Iowa State, Oklahoma
-- they played and won in the FIESTA BOWL(BCS)

They are Boise Sta


TEAM B

-- has a 12 million budget
-- they have the 6th smallest budget in the FBS(1-A)
-- since '03, their 1st 1-A year, they have only had 1 losing season
-- since '03, they have gone to 2 bowl games
-- since '03, they have beaten Missouri, Oklahoma State
-- since '03, they have a 22-9 record against SBC schools

They are Troy


TEAM C

-- since '04, they are 9 points away from having 2 winning seasons
-- since '04, they have a 16-12 record against SBC schools
-- since '02, they are 4-1 against UL
-- they have the lowest budget in the FBS(1-A) and the lowest paid coaches

they are ULM



Using lack of funding as an excuse for losing is old, tired, and done by LOSERS. _

Lot of difference in playing WAC schools, beating Oklahoma and the likes versus playing SBC schools. Also sort of substantiates the other gentlemen on this thread who state that R B can't coach.