How Recruiting and Results Work ( jmo )

[cajunfan96]

Excellent Post CajunShocker!!!!!!!!

[Jason]

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[CajunKahouna]

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[CajunShocker]

_ to responed to the statement of why we recruite Players From Fla. Well they are good all around ball players. Derrick Smith turned down Wisconson and Rutgers, Jason Cherry originally was committed to Ok State, Fred Davis was committed to Toledo then switch to the cajuns, Maurice Rolle turned down FAU, FIU and others, Frantz Accime Turned Down FIU, C. FLA Marshall and others to come to the cajuns. Verlin Moorer the same. Dont sound like 4th or 5th tier kids to me. Oh yeah Troy state has several kids on there team from Fla. Middle TN. But i do agree a better job needs to be done in Louisiana _

I do agree with you that some have turned out to be good players, but just as many have turned out to be busts. Just because a player originally committed to a bigger school and then de-commited does not make him a great player. I wouldn't however put much stock in someone who turned down Toledo, Marshall, or FIU. Same goes for a 5 star rated, blue chip prospect. They can turn out to be a donkey, too.

I have been impressed with the play of some of the guys you metioned above, though.

I am not concerned so much with where they wanted to go or how many stars some websited gives them. I am concerned with our coaching staffs ability to recognize and recruit talent. Like I said before, we are currently 1-7 and that speaks louder than anyones opinion on how talented our players are.

I do see that we are young, and perhaps another year for Bustle will show that he has recruited well and has built something solid, but I have to say that I am losing faith. I will support them till the day I die, but I don't think Bustle is the guy.

[rhineaux]

I do see that we are young, and perhaps another year for Bustle will show that he has recruited well and has built something solid, but I have to say that I am losing faith. I will support them till the day I die, but I don't think Bustle is the guy. _

This statement says a lot. I think that its easy to see that we've been able to recruit talent. A #7 ranked rushing offense will prove that. But its easy for all of us to see that Defense is often the straw that breaks the back. I don't know what the problem is...maybe he concentrated too much on offense before. Maybe he took as many chances on O players as D players, and it just worked otu better on the offensive side. Maybe the guys donig the defensive recruiting weren't that great of talent assessors. Who really knows. I do know that I hear a lot of folks harp on this youth thing and that they keep repeating that our youth is very athletic, and that it'll pay off. but, I agree with Shocker, I don't know that bustle is the guy to show us that. And like I've said before, if we do give him the chance to have another year, then is it worth the consequences if it doesn't work out?

Plus, if we axe a white guy with two years left on his deal after a 1 or two win season, then we'll surely never have to pay jerry Baldwin anything.

[ShowDog]

_ There are 119 FBS(1-A) schools in America.


TEAM A

-- has a 19 million budget
-- there are alomost 100 FBS(1-A) schools with a larger budget
-- since '02 they are 65-9
-- since '02 they have gone to 5 bowl games
-- since '02 they have beaten Oregon State(twice), Iowa State, Oklahoma
-- they played and won in the FIESTA BOWL(BCS)

They are Boise Sta


TEAM B

-- has a 12 million budget
-- they have the 6th smallest budget in the FBS(1-A)
-- since '03, their 1st 1-A year, they have only had 1 losing season
-- since '03, they have gone to 2 bowl games
-- since '03, they have beaten Missouri, Oklahoma State
-- since '03, they have a 22-9 record against SBC schools

They are Troy


TEAM C

-- since '04, they are 9 points away from having 2 winning seasons
-- since '04, they have a 16-12 record against SBC schools
-- since '02, they are 4-1 against UL
-- they have the lowest budget in the FBS(1-A) and the lowest paid coaches

they are ULM



Using lack of funding as an excuse for losing is old, tired, and done by LOSERS. _

Lot of difference in playing WAC schools, beating Oklahoma and the likes versus playing SBC schools. Also sort of substantiates the other gentlemen on this thread who state that R B can't coach.

[ShowDog]

_ I reread my post to make sure that I did not make any derogatory comments and I don't think that I did, but since you decided to make it personal Mandy, I guess I can throw my hat in the ring too.

1st off, I don't need any facts about any recruiting classes to support my post. All I was doing was posing a question about the quality of our Florida recruits. Some have turned out to be pretty good, some have not. It costs a lot more money to recruit a kid out of Florida that is just OK, when you can probably find an OK kid from around Lafayette. But since you want facts, I went get some from Rivals.com. Here are our recruiting class rankings for the last 5 years.

2007 - 113th out of 124 (1 rated 3 stars, Jermaine Rogers)
2006 - 91st out of 125 (1 rated 3 stars, Korey Raymond)
2005 - 72nd out of 123 (3 rated 3 stars, 1 still on roster - Deon Wallace, 1 quit this year)
2004 - 97th out of 124 (0 rated 3 stars)
2003 - 56th out of 121 (4 rated 3 stars, 1 still on roster - Jordan Jackson)

Let me preface this by saying that you cannot arbitrarily rank talent, but rivals.com is about the best tool we have to come up with an answer. That being said, you told me to get facts about our previous recruiting classes, especially last years. Please let me know what is so special about last years recruiting class. Looks to be the worst out of the last 5 years, according to rivals. No offense, but I'll take rivals opinion over yours.

Secondly, I am not talking smack. I completely support all of ULs athletes and I think our coaches are great people. I base my opinions on results. We have had 1 winning season in the 6 years that Coach Bustle has been here. We are currently 1-7. He has had long enough, I am not seeing the results, sorry.

Thirdly, you think you are sick of it? Wow, your son just recently came to this school so I assume you became a fan sometime in the last two years and you are already sick of it. Imagine being a fan of UL for the past 25 years and seeing the same thing year after year. WE are sick of it.

Fourthly, about the kickers dad. I said in my post that I just met the guy and he could be blowing smoke. My point was that I don't think Bustle does a very good job of recruiting this area, which he doesn't. This is not the first time I have heard of recruits not even being contacted by UL when they live in ULs back yard. That's all I was saying.

Fifthly, what in the world makes you think that I was talking about your son? I don't even know who your son is. And don't believe the national media when they tell you that Nick Saban used the word coonass and WE consider it derogatory. I AM A LITTLE COONASS and proud of it, like a lot of cajuns are.

Sixthly, please don't pull that "why don't you get out there and play" bull____. I a little too old to be doing that, but let me tell you something. If I was blessed with some of these kids size, I would have been out there when I was in school. I played plenty of sports, and just because someone may not have the talent to play college ball does not mean that they can't be critical of the program that they spend there hard earned money supporting.

And finally, in regards to my "mouth". If you took offense to the word coon ass, I apologize. If you're not from here, maybe you don't quite understand what I meant by that and I am sorry if you took it the wrong way. But perhaps before you jump in here and go off on somebody's "mouth", you should take a second and think about the lifelong fans that spend the money that is currently paying for your son's education. Maybe you should show me some respect.

If any players read this, I'm sure you can handle it. If this hurts your feelings, then maybe you're not cut out for college athletics. If your goal is to go pro, better get accustomed to criticism. _

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[crazyraginmomma]

CajunShocker:

Rivals can't evaluate you if you don't sign up with them. Not every high school recruit signs up with Rivals. Rivals is in this to make money. If you are good enough to play at that next level, you will be found, you do your homework and you advertise youself. Thinking that just because you signed up on Rivals and they evaluated you is going to get you a scholarship is ridiculous. This is the exact reason we have started a website to help players, parents and fans understand the recruiting process.

I wish I could speed the clock up to the spring game next year. For all the non-believers, you're going to miss out if you jump ship now.

[Clutch0364]

_ CajunShocker:

Rivals can't evaluate you if you don't sign up with them. Not every high school recruit signs up with Rivals. Rivals is in this to make money. If you are good enough to play at that next level, you will be found, you do your homework and you advertise youself. Thinking that just because you signed up on Rivals and they evaluated you is going to get you a scholarship is ridiculous. This is the exact reason we have started a website to help players, parents and fans understand the recruiting process.

I wish I could speed the clock up to the spring game next year. For all the non-believers, you're going to miss out if you jump ship now. _

None of us are jumping ship...i will always support the players. My feelings are that this team has the talent to win right now and we aren't so whose fault is that...the Head Coach!!! I do not think Bustle needs to be given more time to prove anything, what if he is given another year and he wins 6 games next year...6 wins isn't good enough, he has been here 6 years he shouldn't have shown a lot more than he has...if all we can hope for is a .500 record then get rid of the guy now and get a guy in here who will not make excuses and who will expect to win more than 50% of the time.

I like bustle he was the right guy at the right time but now I think it is time for someone else to get us to the next level and I do not think I or anyone else is wrong for thinking that way.

[Just1More]

Rivals is pretty slick for the top 50 D1A schools recruiting comparisons and for players rated with 3 stars and above. For UL and the SBC, it is not worth the time to read (for now).

As for the comment of people not sticking around to see how well our recent recruits will impact next year... I doubt anyone on here is turning their back on UL football. We are disgruntled, and have a right to be. I know we are young and inexperienced on the field... but defense is mostly about overall athletic ability and coaching that knows how to harness that ability. By this time of the year, even with youth, we should be seeing evidence of emerging talent and definitely coaching. I see heart and some talent (mental and athleticism) in individuals, but not in total defense. I do consider the youthful OL a big issue for offense... but I haven't been that altogether critical of our offensive players (offensive coaching... I have criticism).

As for recruiting and other complaints about this staff... when you are losing, no stone shall remain unthrown. It's one of the laws of the universe and has yet to be disproven.

[Zeebart21]

CajunShocker:

Rivals can't evaluate you if you don't sign up with them. Not every high school recruit signs up with Rivals. Rivals is in this to make money. If you are good enough to play at that next level, you will be found, you do your homework and you advertise youself. Thinking that just because you signed up on Rivals and they evaluated you is going to get you a scholarship is ridiculous. This is the exact reason we have started a website to help players, parents and fans understand the recruiting process.

I wish I could speed the clock up to the spring game next year. For all the non-believers, you're going to miss out if you jump ship now.

No jumping ship, here! Frustration, maybe? I am always Cajun!

Z

[CajunShocker]

_ CajunShocker:

Rivals can't evaluate you if you don't sign up with them. Not every high school recruit signs up with Rivals. Rivals is in this to make money. If you are good enough to play at that next level, you will be found, you do your homework and you advertise youself. Thinking that just because you signed up on Rivals and they evaluated you is going to get you a scholarship is ridiculous. This is the exact reason we have started a website to help players, parents and fans understand the recruiting process.

I wish I could speed the clock up to the spring game next year. For all the non-believers, you're going to miss out if you jump ship now. _

Yeah, I know those recruiting sites have to be taken with a grain of salt. Same thing with Scout.com. Some people think it is biased either for or against southern players, I don't remember which one. But as far as a tool for fans to use, we really don't have any other way to make a judgement about talent.

If anyone can remember the Marty Fletcher years, with Butch Pierre doing the majority of the recruiting. We had gobs of talent with Kevin Brooks, Sidney Grider, Aaron Mitchell, Todd Hill, Marcus Stokes, and on and on and on. Fletcher couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag, but our talent carried us to the NCAA tournament. LSU's resurgence in basketball these past couple years has one thing in common with Fletcher-coached teams. You got it, Butch Pierre. The reason I bring it up is because it is a good example of good recruiting being able to overshadow so-so coaching. Basketball is also a sport where a couple good players can make a much bigger difference than in football, so it could be a bad comparison, but oh well.

As far as next years spring game, you don't know how hard I am praying you are right.