Templeton; Geography and other Criteria

[ManAboutTown]

_ Jay sure did make Templeton look stupid _

omg. WOW! Jay owns this guy! He had nothing...

[AstroCajun]

Score
UL-8
WS-1

All he could say was in the end 10 people close vote.

ps What rhineaux said.

I'd like to know how WS even got the 1 and which one factor did they beat us out on. Or was that just Jay being polite?

[Just1More]

I'm proud of Jay. It was humorous to hear each and every sportswriter position his question and Templeton provide a perfectly acceptable explanation. Jay put it out there and Templeton was stumped... and could only lean on... "10 people voted". Well, everyone with 3 live brain cells who listened to this teleconference, knew that the committee got it wrong. Hopefully, that will make a difference for us in future considerations.
Thanks for representing very well Jay!

[jdebaillon]

Did anyone else hear the laughing in the background while Jay was rattling off his stats? IMO, that sums up Templeton and the committee. We got hosed and everyone knows it.

[CajunAmos]

Record versus top 25/50.

[Dad04]

_ Did anyone else hear the laughing in the background while Jay was rattling off his stats? IMO, that sums up Templeton and the committee. We got hosed and everyone knows it. _

That was one of those "I wanna crawl in a hole and hide" moments for LT. He did come back with "Well, um at the end of the day 10 members blah blah blah."

If the 10 committee members AND STAFF had the half the analytical skills Gonegolfin used this past week IN HIS SPARE TIME, applied objectively, we'd be at home this weekend.

I don't think anyone should have to apologize to their school, fans and team for playing better than schools to the north.

[GoneGolfin]

I'd like to know how WS even got the 1 and which one factor did they beat us out on. Or was that just Jay being polite?

The following is the data/opinions that I sent Jay and Dan (for his articles) via email ...

Of the wins that Wichita State has in the Top 25 and Top 50, all but two of those wins are at home. The Cajuns did not have the luxury of playing these teams at home. So when you get down to it, the only real measuring stick is that Wichita State really did not fare any better than the Cajuns on these comparables. But I really do not think the committee takes a deep dive on the home/road stuff ... witness the gawking about Texas A&M's 28-2 non-conference record, only two of which were road games! The NCAA really needs to do something about accounting properly for road games. We will have some proposals at SEBaseball.com.

RPI Top 50 Road Games (2-5)
@Pepperdine (1-2) #37
@Arkansas (0-1) #16
@Oklahoma (0-1) #27
@Oral Roberts (0-1) #38
@Kansas State (1-0) (lost to the Wildcats at home) #38

@Oklahoma State (0-1) #53 (just outside the top 50 and not included above)

RPI Top 50 Home Games (6-6)
Oral Roberts (0-1) #38
Creighton (2-1) (Neutral games vs. Creighton 1-1) #33
Long Beach State (2-1) #7
Cal State-Fullerton (1-2) #31
Nebraska (1-0) #32
Kansas State (0-1) (beat the Wildcats on the road) #35

I have updated the numbers below. There were some slight changes as WSU is now 9-12 against the Top 50 instead of 9-11. Here is the detailed comparison of Wichita State and the Cajuns ...

RPI (UL 14, WSU 20)
Non-Conference RPI (UL 12, WSU 50)
Road Record (UL 20-12, WSU 20-7)
Record vs. Last 15 (UL 12-3, WSU 9-6)
Record vs. RPI Top 25 (UL 1-5, WSU 2-2)
Record vs. Top 50 RPI (UL 1-5, WSU 9-12)
Record vs. teams being considered for field [RPI Top 75] (UL 15-6, WSU 20-15)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI (UL 20-11, WSU 20-15)
Conference Finish (UL 1st 26-8, WSU 1st 23-6)
Conference RPI (SBC 7, MVC 9)
Conference Tournament Performance (UL 2nd 3-1, WSU 2nd 3-2)
Common Opponents (UL 5-0, WSU 1-1)

The common opponent above is South Alabama. Wichita State split with South Alabama in Wichita. UL won three in Lafayette and two in Mobile, going 5-0 against South Alabama.

Note that while Wichita State has a better road record percentage wise than the Cajuns, they have also played considerably more home games than the Cajuns. WSU has played nine more home games than road games. The Cajuns have played eight more road games than home games.

I give the edge to the Cajuns as far as a #1 seed. But I have been saying for weeks that if the Cajuns are not a #1 seed, it will be because of their record vs. the RPI Top 25 and RPI Top 50. But that does not mean that I think that Wichita State is more deserving of a #1 seed than the Cajuns.

I for one think that the NCAA needs to tweak the RPI formula and selection criteria to better account for the difficulty of road games. The bonus structure does not account for non-conference games outside the Top 75. The Cajun RPI is superior to Wichita State, in part because of the bonuses. But I think the road games played needs to be accounted for in metrics like record vs. TopXX.

Brian

[Turbine]

_ I'd like to know how WS even got the 1 and which one factor did they beat us out on. Or was that just Jay being polite? _

Did you hear the person let out a little whoop midway through Jays comparison detail? LOL

[Turbine]

Here you go. Jay’s questions are about 3/4 of the way through the call.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1048/497811.mp3

Jay is soon after the 22 minute mark. . . .

Since the committee (who is suppose to have members track specific conferences all year) made the mistake of placing 2 teams from the same conference in the same regional! It makes me wonder how much these guys really know about who they are voting on.

I question their knowledge once they get past the "Slush Fund" conferences. You could tell Templeton kept referring to his database of stats, but how much attention did the others really pay?

When I hear Templeton use Lafayette so much (except when quoting or repeating after Jay) it makes me wonder if Lafayette was the only term the committee members heard. And whether or not some of those members may have thought the voting was between the Wichita Shockers and the Lafayette Leopards.