Basketball scheduling

[rhineaux]

Look, LSU has winning record against UL in every major, except maybe softball. LSU is not scared to play UL in anyting b/c it constantly wins.

LSU had the number 2 pick in the draft last yr, beat Duke, beat TX AM, and beat TX to make it to the final four. That alone is more than ULL has achieved if one adds all of its athletic accomplishments together.

I would bet my student loan balance that LSU would dominate the belt this yr. The Skunk belt is joke and the fact that you losers constantly to tout it as anything but is pathetic.

If is LSU just a piece of crap, then ULL is a giant pile of crap b/c is certainly a lot better than UL.

ULL actually loses more students than it gradautes, where is the accountibility at that school?

ET? Where are you? I expect answers to my questions. did they block you from posting, again? Go ahead and send me a private message. supposedly, you are somewhat educated, so i assume that you have the ability to make arguments and discuss things with people. Maybe not. Perhaps all you can do is run around making meaningless statements.

[evangelinetiger]

How do you suggest that UL be more accountable for students leaving? what would you do to change it if you ran this joint?

I am not sure what your problem with UL is. Your constant cries of UL's pathetic existance makes me wonder why you even bother. If we are so small, then i am curious why you care. Who cares if UL fans are UL fans and why do you think that it is your job to "keep us in check"? And your thoughts that UL is a bigger pile of crap because LSU is better is in large part an opinion. When people here say that LSU sucks, its for several reasons. for example, ________ fans like you who give that school such a bad name. I could go on but that's not the point.

the point is that you are critical of a public school. you are critical of an entity that is controlled by a larger entity, which controls everything the school does. The school doesn't control how much money it recieves, it doesn't control how high it can set its admitting standards, it doesn't control how high it can set tuition, it doesn't control any major decision that is made. (and don't give me crap about us not being treated fairly and we don't desreve it or whatever, because every other school in the state is penalized in the same fashion, all for the benefit of one school).

And the biggest thing that gets me is that all of this criticism is from an lsu "alum". You made a choice to go to lsu, and i'd be willing to bet that choice was made before ANY admissions requirements were created. So your going to that school doesn't entitle you to anything special, and it sure doesn't entitle you to the right to criticize people who went to or are fans of another school, although you think it does. You didn't graduate from Harvard, nor were you subjected to some sort of intense mental or physical training. You said, I think i'll go there.

Actually, ________, I was accepted to LSU, USL and Tulane in HS. I went to the Army instead. When I got out of the army, I decided to attend USL b/c I like Lafayette and wanted to live there.

I went to USL and majored in finance and it sucked, frankly. The school had no identity, it was a commuter school and seemed to resemble LSU-E more than LSU and Tulane. No one on campus cared about the school, the only thing people talked about was the strip and going out ( Fall of '96). NO school spirit at all. And this was the year that USL beat A&M. The business school was terrible, the building was run down and it did not offer many sections of required classes.

So I transferred to LSU. I loved it. LSU has a southern school identity, big into sports, strong Greek system and college style social system. More classes and sections and generally a better program. That is now supported by USNews, and the WSJ rankings.

SO, unlike most of the people on this board, I have been to both schools and can compare the two.

Anyway, Kal claimed that LSU does not want to play ULL b/c LSU is afraid of them. BUt LSU has crushed them the last two times the two have played, why would the LSU coaches be afraid to play a team that they routinely stomp?

You guys are fools, you make up lies to satisfy your belief that USL is better than it is, you change the name of the school in articles written by others, block people who point out your lies and you are just plain delusional.


And the majority of your incoming freshmen are not smart enough to graduate.

[Turbine]

You guys are fools, you make up lies to satisfy your belief that USL is better than it is, you change the name of the school in articles written by others, block people who point out your lies and you are just plain delusional.

At least you can't make the legitimate claim that the Pentathlam is lie.

As far as board consistency with focus names is concerned, here is a post you might be interested in. LINK

[cajunlove]

Actually, ________, I was accepted to LSU, USL and Tulane in HS. I went to the Army instead. When I got out of the army, I decided to attend USL b/c I like Lafayette and wanted to live there.

I went to USL and majored in finance and it sucked, frankly. The school had no identity, it was a commuter school and seemed to resemble LSU-E more than LSU and Tulane. No one on campus cared about the school, the only thing people talked about was the strip and going out ( Fall of '96). NO school spirit at all. And this was the year that USL beat A&M. The business school was terrible, the building was run down and it did not offer many sections of required classes.

So I transferred to LSU. I loved it. LSU has a southern school identity, big into sports, strong Greek system and college style social system. More classes and sections and generally a better program. That is now supported by USNews, and the WSJ rankings.

SO, unlike most of the people on this board, I have been to both schools and can compare the two.

Anyway, Kal claimed that LSU does not want to play UL b/c LSU is afraid of them. BUt LSU has crushed them the last two times the two have played, why would the LSU coaches be afraid to play a team that they routinely stomp?

You guys are fools, you make up lies to satisfy your belief that USL is better than it is, you change the name of the school in articles written by others, block people who point out your lies and you are just plain delusional.


And the majority of your incoming freshmen are not smart enough to graduate.

I got to UL, then USL, a couple of years after you left and saw it in a completely different light. After first attending LSU in 97' I left to come to USL. Frankly, I thought LSU sucked. The environment was impersonal. Almost everyone I met was self centered, arrogant, and could talk of nothing other than LSU. I didn't want to be part of an institution that had so many supporters with that arrogant heir of superiority.

When I got to U(s)L I loved the close knit environment, got a great education, made some great friends including my wife. Point being, our personal experiences shape our opinions. Expecting your personal experience to sway our personal opinions is, well, unintelligent.

Neither school is perfect, both have their strong points, and both need work in particular areas.

The difference between us is that I don't categorize all LSU fans the way you categorize UL fans. I have good friends who are LSU alums and fans. They don't walk around with an heir of superiority, and, being members of the Lafayette community, attend UL events from time to time. I try to give everybody a shot first rather than painting them with character traits before I get to know them.

Do you have some kind of internal issue that makes you lash out at an entire university? Your posts here seem to be entirely negative. That seems to be an immense waste of time. I hope you can sort out your issues.

[evangelinetiger]

I got to UL, then USL, a couple of years after you left and saw it in a completely different light. After first attending LSU in 97' I left to come to USL. Frankly, I thought LSU sucked. The environment was impersonal. Almost everyone I met was self centered, arrogant, and could talk of nothing other than LSU. I didn't want to be part of an institution that had so many supporters with that arrogant heir of superiority.

When I got to U(s)L I loved the close knit environment, got a great education, made some great friends including my wife. Point being, our personal experiences shape our opinions. Expecting your personal experience to sway our personal opinions is, well, unintelligent.

Neither school is perfect, both have their strong points, and both need work in particular areas.

The difference between us is that I don't categorize all LSU fans the way you categorize UL fans. I have good friends who are LSU alums and fans. They don't walk around with an heir of superiority, and, being members of the Lafayette community, attend UL events from time to time. I try to give everybody a shot first rather than painting them with character traits before I get to know them.

Do you have some kind of internal issue that makes you lash out at an entire university? Your posts here seem to be entirely negative. That seems to be an immense waste of time. I hope you can sort out your issues.

The point of my original post was the Kal was lying. He claimed that LSU was afraid to play ULL in basketball b/c ULL might win. BUt LSU has destroyed ULL in basketball the last several times they played each other. SO the premise of post was an outright lie and totally illogical.

My view of ULL is that it is a commuter school and stomping mat in sports. Most people in the state of Louisiana and the southern US feel the same. Most people outside of the south have never heard of UL-Lafayette and if it is mentioned to them, view it as akin to Southern Ill or Middle Tn.

That does not mean one can't get a decent education and have a good time going to school there. But it is not LSU and will never be or even compare to it. No matter lies Cajunfun, Hammer58 and the other kool-aid drinkers make up.

[cajunlove]

The point of my original post was the Kal was lying. He claimed that LSU was afraid to play UL in basketball b/c UL might win. BUt LSU has destroyed UL in basketball the last several times they played each other. SO the premise of post was an outright lie and totally illogical.

My view of UL is that it is a commuter school and stomping mat in sports. Most people in the state of Louisiana and the southern US feel the same. Most people outside of the south have never heard of University of Louisiana and if it is mentioned to them, view it as akin to Southern Ill or Middle Tn.

That does not mean one can't get a decent education and have a good time going to school there. But it is not LSU and will never be or even compare to it. No matter lies Cajunfun, Hammer58 and the other kool-aid drinkers make up.

I agree with you that LSU would be very difficult for the Cajuns to beat in basketball. But, the posters on this board can say whatever they want. I'm sure you can find some interesting, and wishful, posts on LSU message boards.

I don't think many posters here want to be like LSU. Your opinion that UL "will never compare" to LSU is just that, an opinion. I think that UL compares favorably with LSU in many aspects including those outlined in my previous post.

And yes, UL is currently a "stomping mat"--in some sports--for larger athletic programs like the majority of those in the SEC. However, that doesn't mean that UL fans cannot support, talk about, and enjoy the current and future success of the university's athletics. We're doing fine here. Your "know your place" argument is tired.

[rhineaux]

Actually, ________, I was accepted to LSU, USL and Tulane in HS. I went to the Army instead. When I got out of the army, I decided to attend USL b/c I like Lafayette and wanted to live there.

I went to USL and majored in finance and it sucked, frankly. The school had no identity, it was a commuter school and seemed to resemble LSU-E more than LSU and Tulane. No one on campus cared about the school, the only thing people talked about was the strip and going out ( Fall of '96). NO school spirit at all. And this was the year that USL beat A&M. The business school was terrible, the building was run down and it did not offer many sections of required classes.

So I transferred to LSU. I loved it. LSU has a southern school identity, big into sports, strong Greek system and college style social system. More classes and sections and generally a better program. That is now supported by USNews, and the WSJ rankings.

SO, unlike most of the people on this board, I have been to both schools and can compare the two.

Anyway, Kal claimed that LSU does not want to play UL b/c LSU is afraid of them. BUt LSU has crushed them the last two times the two have played, why would the LSU coaches be afraid to play a team that they routinely stomp?

You guys are fools, you make up lies to satisfy your belief that USL is better than it is, you change the name of the school in articles written by others, block people who point out your lies and you are just plain delusional.


And the majority of your incoming freshmen are not smart enough to graduate.

Answer my question. If you are such a genius and are so well educated, then tell me how you would improve UL's graduation rate.

you are such a stupid moron. Saying that UL is comparable to LSUE is ridiculous and you know it. comparing it to Tulane is ridiculous because it is a private school. And as for LSU, like i said, if our state decides to dump more money into one school and make it big, than allotting money to keeping up the second largest school in that state, in one of the largest and wealthiest cities in the state, then...well I think that we can all see how good that idea is.

and to say that "the only thing people talked about was the strip and going out" is unreal. Firstly, is that a bad thing that young students like to spend time together having fun and partying? Second, isn't lsu normally rated as a top party school or something? then you say that the social climate was better at lsu and the greek system was better? What the hell are you talking about? But UL students talked about going out too much? What? why don't you take a look at what you are saying and quit contradicting yourself everytime you appear.

And yes lsu is afraid to play UL. the last two times the basketball teams played, UL was a player away from a much better showing in the game. the second to last time, Orien Green and Dwayne Mitchell were out. And last year, Chris Cameron went out with the shoulder injury in the first half, and that's when lsu pulled away. lsu's team was probably better than ul's, speaking only in pure talent. but those games were a lot closer than you'd like to say they were. but we aren't saying lsu is afraid becasue UL would beat them every year, its the 1 out of 3 or so that UL COULD win that is what lsu is afraid of. jsut like in baseball. UL was 3-2 against lsu that last season they played, lsu won twice in the regional because the cajuns ran out of pitching. you got over, but skip realized that we were getting way too close so they quit playing UL. Its the same principle that many UL fans, while some may not admit it, are nervous as hell about that football game against McNeese next year. There is a small chance that McNeese would beat UL, but if that chance is realized, then UL is in big trouble. There is a small chance UL would beat lsu in football as well, but if realized...

And, maybe the buildings were kept up better at LSU. since your time at UL the old business building has been remodeled and a new one built (in addition to modernizations to Martin Hall and Madison Hall, and the new computer Science building). This would take care of the school's appearance and would allow for more sections. But what i don't understand is that school's don't just open up tons of classes for the hell of it. The amount of sections are related to the amount of demand for the course. Sure, when i was there, I got shut out of certain sections when i was a frosh, but it was only becasue i tried to wait until the beginning of the semester to schedule. I was never not allowed into a class i wanted because of overcrowding, i might not have gotten the section that i wanted, but that was my fault.

So ET, not that you had any credibility before, but you're really reaching now. Sure lsu's atheltics are better, sure they have more money and a private atheltic fund. UL doesn't, but i think that if you went back over the last several decades and looked at how lsu was treated compared to all the other schools in the state, you would understand why UL doesn't have a better greek environment or a true southern feel. and while that may have seemed like a good idea then, look at the state now with none of the schools ranking in the top 50% in the nation. So the issue isn't us making up lies to make our school better, its you making broad generalizations and exagerrations to make it look bad. Are you seriously coming up with crap like "not enough sections" or "the student body liked to go out to much" to make UL look bad? you are running in circles now my friend. So go back up to the top of my post and answer my question. Instead of coming up with more crap, while don't you leave all the BS behind and lets discuss the issues.

[LSUfan20]

You guys need to address the bigger issue of conference affiliation. The SBC isn't going to produce more then one bid unless another team has a good RPI and out-of-conference record. Either make the SBC stronger or focus on making the leap to CUSA. Playing a soft schedule isn't helpful to any school unless you're from a power conference. Even then, I'd argue it's still not a good idea.

[evangelinetiger]

Answer my question. If you are such a genius and are so well educated, then tell me how you would improve UL's graduation rate.

you are such a stupid moron. Saying that UL is comparable to LSUE is ridiculous and you know it. comparing it to Tulane is ridiculous because it is a private school. And as for LSU, like i said, if our state decides to dump more money into one school and make it big, than allotting money to keeping up the second largest school in that state, in one of the largest and wealthiest cities in the state, then...well I think that we can all see how good that idea is.

and to say that "the only thing people talked about was the strip and going out" is unreal. Firstly, is that a bad thing that young students like to spend time together having fun and partying? Second, isn't lsu normally rated as a top party school or something? then you say that the social climate was better at lsu and the greek system was better? What the hell are you talking about? But UL students talked about going out too much? What? why don't you take a look at what you are saying and quit contradicting yourself everytime you appear.

And yes lsu is afraid to play UL. the last two times the basketball teams played, UL was a player away from a much better showing in the game. the second to last time, Orien Green and Dwayne Mitchell were out. And last year, Chris Cameron went out with the shoulder injury in the first half, and that's when lsu pulled away. lsu's team was probably better than ul's, speaking only in pure talent. but those games were a lot closer than you'd like to say they were. but we aren't saying lsu is afraid becasue UL would beat them every year, its the 1 out of 3 or so that UL COULD win that is what lsu is afraid of. jsut like in baseball. UL was 3-2 against lsu that last season they played, lsu won twice in the regional because the cajuns ran out of pitching. you got over, but skip realized that we were getting way too close so they quit playing UL. Its the same principle that many UL fans, while some may not admit it, are nervous as hell about that football game against McNeese next year. There is a small chance that McNeese would beat UL, but if that chance is realized, then UL is in big trouble. There is a small chance UL would beat lsu in football as well, but if realized...

And, maybe the buildings were kept up better at LSU. since your time at UL the old business building has been remodeled and a new one built (in addition to modernizations to Martin Hall and Madison Hall, and the new computer Science building). This would take care of the school's appearance and would allow for more sections. But what i don't understand is that school's don't just open up tons of classes for the hell of it. The amount of sections are related to the amount of demand for the course. Sure, when i was there, I got shut out of certain sections when i was a frosh, but it was only becasue i tried to wait until the beginning of the semester to schedule. I was never not allowed into a class i wanted because of overcrowding, i might not have gotten the section that i wanted, but that was my fault.

So ET, not that you had any credibility before, but you're really reaching now. Sure lsu's atheltics are better, sure they have more money and a private atheltic fund. UL doesn't, but i think that if you went back over the last several decades and looked at how lsu was treated compared to all the other schools in the state, you would understand why UL doesn't have a better greek environment or a true southern feel. and while that may have seemed like a good idea then, look at the state now with none of the schools ranking in the top 50% in the nation. So the issue isn't us making up lies to make our school better, its you making broad generalizations and exagerrations to make it look bad. Are you seriously coming up with crap like "not enough sections" or "the student body liked to go out to much" to make UL look bad? you are running in circles now my friend. So go back up to the top of my post and answer my question. Instead of coming up with more crap, while don't you leave all the BS behind and lets discuss the issues.

You, sir, are a moron. Why don't you get out of the oil field for ten seconds and try to understand my post in context.

When I was at USL there was little or no connection between the students that attended and the campus or campus life in general. It was and is a commuter school. The vast majority of its students were from a tweny radius of Lafayete and they attended classes and left campus. No one cared about being a student at UL. Unlike say Ole Miss or UGA or LSU where students are part of the school scene or community. You obivousily don't understand what I am talking about because ULL does not have that type of envoirnment. This has nothing to do with partying. Tulane is a top party school and provides better academics than LSU or USL. It has to do with the mindset of the student body as a whole. LSU was a southern school, with a sports tradition. More upper middle class students, lots of greeks, strong social scene. ULL was more working-class. Most students were not involved in the school and more worried about work and getting out. Not the same experience at all. Much more of them quitting school or flunking out.

The Greek sys at ULL is crap, I was in a fraternity and the fraternity is sys at LSU is excellent. ULL had garbage houses and weak parties. That is why I compared the two.

At ULL, no one went to football games. No one went to basketball games. hardly any students tailgated or gave a damn about the team.

There is nothing you can say to support the fantasy that LSU is afraid to play USL. LSU beats USL in everything. LSU has a winning record against the peppers in everything but softball. Stop lying to yourself. Quit claiming moral victories. The peppers went 3-2 against the tigets 1 yr out of 100, and LSU elminated them from the playoffs that yr, so which wins counted more?

Nothing in USL sports comes close to comparing to LSU sports. Were you at the football game? LSU could have score 3 or 4 more times on the pepper defense. The pepper offense did not even score a td. You guys just plain sucked. ULL is not as talented, not as good, not as popular, not.... Do I need to go on?

LSU will turn out more draft picks this yr than peppers have in the pros right now. Stop trying to make up things to equate USL to LSU. you are delusional. How many times does LSU have to destroy the peppers on the field for you to accept it?

[rhineaux]

You, sir, are a moron. Why don't you get out of the oil field for ten seconds and try to understand my post in context.

When I was at USL there was little or no connection between the students that attended and the campus or campus life in general. It was and is a commuter school. The vast majority of its students were from a tweny radius of Lafayete and they attended classes and left campus. No one cared about being a student at UL. Unlike say Ole Miss or UGA or LSU where students are part of the school scene or community. You obivousily don't understand what I am talking about because UL does not have that type of envoirnment. This has nothing to do with partying. Tulane is a top party school and provides better academics than LSU or USL. It has to do with the mindset of the student body as a whole. LSU was a southern school, with a sports tradition. More upper middle class students, lots of greeks, strong social scene. ULL was more working-class. Most students were not involved in the school and more worried about work and getting out. Not the same experience at all. Much more of them quitting school or flunking out.

The Greek sys at UL is crap, I was in a fraternity and the fraternity is sys at LSU is excellent. ULL had garbage houses and weak parties. That is why I compared the two.

At UL, no one went to football games. No one went to basketball games. hardly any students tailgated or gave a damn about the team.

There is nothing you can say to support the fantasy that LSU is afraid to play USL. LSU beats USL in everything. LSU has a winning record against UL in everything but softball. Stop lying to yourself. Quit claiming moral victories. UL went 3-2 against the tigets 1 yr out of 100, and LSU elminated them from the playoffs that yr, so which wins counted more?

Nothing in USL sports comes close to comparing to LSU sports. Were you at the football game? LSU could have score 3 or 4 more times on the pepper defense. The pepper offense did not even score a td. You guys just plain sucked. ULL is not as talented, not as good, not as popular, not.... Do I need to go on?

LSU will turn out more draft picks this yr than peppers have in the pros right now. Stop trying to make up things to equate USL to LSU. you are delusional. How many times does LSU have to destroy UL on the field for you to accept it?

So that means you don't want to discuss the issues.

how did you know i was in the oilfield? Well actually, I'm not in the field, I'm 30 stories up in a high rise in downtown Houston. but i do have two rigs drilling gas wells in the field, and engineers running those rigs, and taking those rigs where i tell them to.

And I apologize for upsetting you. I guess you are right that UL is a commuter school. In fact, I knew of hundreds of students who commuted from their apartments everyday. In the complexes that I lived in and that my friends lived in, large majorities of them were full of college students, and that doesn't even count the neighborhoods surrounding the school, where 70-90% of those neighborhoods contain students. and you know, that's very similar to the environment surrounding lsu. I guess the difference is that UL does have some students who live in the surrrounding towns, whereas all of lsu's students are from Baton Rouge, right? And none of those students drive in everyday from other parts of BR, or from Denham, or from prarieville? Broad generalizations padnuh. quit stereotyping.

[gorcajun]

Thanks, Turbine, for remembering the Pentathlam. Just for historical sake, those that have criticized the Ragin Cajun athletic programs and its successes in 2004-05 as being the 3rd winningest program in the nation in Div 1. They were silence when the purple and gold had good numbers in 2005-06.

I am not sure if I should continue with the spreadsheet in 2006-07 because of Louisiana State University Agricultural & Mechanical @ Baton Rouge dismal failure in men's basketball and the strength of schedule and RPI of the storied baseball program.

With all the money they've got it seems that the TigerCubs could put a better product on the fields.

[evangelinetiger]

So that means you don't want to discuss the issues.

how did you know i was in the oilfield? Well actually, I'm not in the field, I'm 30 stories up in a high rise in downtown Houston. but i do have two rigs drilling gas wells in the field, and engineers running those rigs, and taking those rigs where i tell them to.

And I apologize for upsetting you. I guess you are right that UL is a commuter school. In fact, I knew of hundreds of students who commuted from their apartments everyday. In the complexes that I lived in and that my friends lived in, large majorities of them were full of college students, and that doesn't even count the neighborhoods surrounding the school, where 70-90% of those neighborhoods contain students. and you know, that's very similar to the environment surrounding lsu. I guess the difference is that UL does have some students who live in the surrrounding towns, whereas all of lsu's students are from Baton Rouge, right? And none of those students drive in everyday from other parts of BR, or from Denham, or from prarieville? Broad generalizations padnuh. quit stereotyping.

The largest block of LSU students list br as there home, but many of those are using to it get around freshmen dorm requirements. The NO metro region turns out most of the student body. ULL gets most of its students from Lafayette, St. Landry, Vermillion and Iberia Parishes..all within 20 miles of lafayette. Ask any administrator and they will describe it as a commuter school.


I would fundementally restructure higher ed in LA. Merge all bds into one bd, set up a tiered sys like CA, merge LA Tech and LSU-S, make LSU-E & A into two yr schools and put them in the community college sys, strip Phd programs from all schools except LSU, SU, UNO, ULL, LaTech, close the ag center at SU, close ag colleges everywhere but LSU and Grambling, shut down SU law school.

Then I would set up four schools to be designated research universities and fund them properly: LSU, UNO, ULL, LaTech. LSU's research mission would include the law school, med schools, vet school, Pennington. I would re-direct all major research funding to the research schools. The other schools would be shrunken down to regional colleges with the mission of turing out bach degrees and a few sellect masters degrees.

Then the research schools would set their own admissions standards and be forced to co-ordinate degree programs and research projects.

NO More remedial classes at four yr schools, if one needs remedials go to cc.

The goal would be to marshal limited resources to a limited number of research universities. then to make those research universities work together. Also, to have the regional universities function as economic engines for their respective areas and not encroach on the broader mission of the research schools.