2012 New Orleans Bowl

[wgwillis]

Yes.

But it was kind of like picking up a chick at the bar. You use your best lines but she was never interested in you because she heard from a friend how small your media market was. Then she walks up to FIU and FAU. They're both fat and ugly but they have enormous media markets. She's just one of those girls who likes a big media market. So all you can do is go home and curse the fact that you were born with such a tiny media market.

This sounds like a Sigmund Freud theory!

[CajunRebel]

Or, make sure you are buff, and not the slightest bit unkept. Plain and simple he talks in vagaries and obscure vision of what he wants. It is not enough to say I want to be a stud, you have to get in the gym even if you are only 5'7".

RCAF is a great gym to workout in, but you still gotta hit the free weights. I get the feeling he is walking around looking at a lot of mirrors.

See that's what I don't get. Farmer was instrumental in starting and growing the RCAF and recently hired this guy who is a fundraising specialist. Our budget has increased every year Farmer has been at the helm. Yet people still feel he isn't doing enough to raise the budget.

Again you can find many legitimate things to criticize Farmer for but this is not one of them.

[CajunRebel]

Somehow there is a Sigmund Freud theory in this posting!

Yes, I have media market envy.

[Turbine]

I wasn't defending Farmer in this thread. I was just trying to make it clear he voted against the bowl revenue sharing deal because in this and other threads people were under the impression he voted for it.

As far as other threads are concerned I feel Farmer tends to get slammed for things he doesn't deserve to get slammed for. For example he gets blamed for not doing enough to raise our budget but since he's been here the budget has gone from about about 12 million dollars to 15 million dollars and he's taken some great steps to increase it further. He also gets most of the blame on here for us not us not getting into C-USA. There is a false narrative people like to bring up that Farmer is perfectly content with the SBC and did nothing to lobby C-USA. Some believe the only reason we didn't get into C-USA is because Farmer didn't beg them enough. Of course the reason we didn't get in is because we didn't have the budget or media market that C-USA desires it's members to have. That's why UTSA, a Southland school with a 2 year old football program was chosen before any Sun Belt schools were. Plus there is literally zero evidence Farmer "did nothing" and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

If you want to criticize him for a lack of communication with fans, especially during a tumultuous time when fans need to hear something from their "leader," I think that's a more than valid criticism. If you want to criticize him for giving Marlin an extension and pay raise I completely understand. But some of the things he gets criticized for are ridiculous.

Mr. Farmer does get unfairly slammed sometimes.

He could help his cause a bit though if he chose his words a tad more wisely.

For instance on more than one occasion he has stated he intends to be ready when the other conferences come calling.

I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. They will call the ones they have on speed dial and you only get on speed dial by gauging and engaging ahead of time.

"Louisiana 1Call" "Call before! . . . You dig?"

[CajunRebel]

Don't play me with that BS, son. Tech doesn't have 20 million dollars in their athletic budget, they got in by stretching the truth. We weren't prepared for all this...then they were stunned that people were ____ed when we got passed over..HAHA!! Look, we might have one more shot...maybe.. It doesn't happen, you and your buddies will have Cajun Field all to your self.. Just so I'll know next time I walk into Corner Bar on Friday afternoon.. which side of the table do you sit on??

Z

Enjoy Tiger Stadium. I hear LSU is in an awesome conference and they do pretty good for themselves. You'll like it there. You'll just need to get used to wearing purple and gold. No one looks good in purple and gold.

As for me I've been through the Baldwin years and never thought of not supporting UL. It will take a lot more than a horrible conference to change that.

[Zeebart21]

Enjoy Tiger Stadium. I hear LSU is in an awesome conference and they do pretty good for themselves. You'll like it there. You'll just need to get used to wearing purple and gold. No one looks good in purple and gold.

As for me I've been through the Baldwin years and never thought of not supporting UL. It will take a lot more than a horrible conference to change that.

If the LSU reference is your best shot, I must have put you in a real bind....Horrible conference is one thing.. being stuck in a horrible conference because our leadership wasn't prepared is quite another.

Y'all make sure and tell Stanley hello.

Z

[SlappyCajun]

Farmer is not giving money to grow the budget. The fans are. And, he is absolutely subject to criticism if the budget isn't growing fast enough.

So, according to your logic, if the budget grows by one dollar every year, Farmer is above reproach.

I think one of Farmer's greatest weaknesses is as a fundraiser. I think he would make a great #2, behind the scene administrator. That may be why Troy didn't pull the trigger on him.

I think by any metric, Farmer is a completely mediocre A.D. I can see arguments why people think he is worse, but I don't see how you can argue that he is better. Our basketball and baseball programs are competing at lower levels than in our recent history. We have made two bowl games but I attribute that solely to Hudspeth and his staff.

Additionally, our facilities have not improved very quickly during his tenure. IMO

I think Scott is a good person, he would just not be my choice for A.D.

[Zeebart21]

Farmer is not giving money to grow the budget. The fans are. And, he is absolutely subject to criticism if the budget isn't growing fast enough.

So, according to your logic, if the budget grows by one dollar every year, Farmer is above reproach.

I think one of Farmer's greatest weaknesses is as a fundraiser. I think he would make a great #2, behind the scene administrator. That may be why Troy didn't pull the trigger on him.

I think by any metric, Farmer is a completely mediocre A.D. I can see arguments why people think he is worse, but I don't see how you can argue that he is better. Our basketball and baseball programs are competing at lower levels than in our recent history. We have made two bowl games but I attribute that solely to Hudspeth and his staff.

Additionally, our facilities have not improved very quickly during his tenure. IMO

I think Scott is a good person, he would just not be my choice for A.D.

He definitely is.

Z

[CrazyCajun]

His problem is all the people who are satisfied with his mediocrity. And mediocre is being polite.

[Turbine]

Yes.

But it was kind of like picking up a chick at the bar. You use your best lines but she was never interested in you because she heard from a friend how small your media market was. Then she walks up to FIU and FAU. They're both fat and ugly but they have enormous media markets. She's just one of those girls who likes a big media market. So all you can do is go home and curse the fact that you were born with such a tiny media market.

Market and budget are excuses for not doing what needs to be done in the area of brand awareness.

Farmer has to fly the key players into Acadiana.

[Zeebart21]

His problem is all the people who are satisfied with his mediocrity. And mediocre is being polite.

You know how much money can be saved by bussing to Natchitoches and Lake Charles??

This is so great!!

Z

[CajunRebel]

Farmer is not giving money to grow the budget. The fans are. And, he is absolutely subject to criticism if the budget isn't growing fast enough.

So, according to your logic, if the budget grows by one dollar every year, Farmer is above reproach.

I think one of Farmer's greatest weaknesses is as a fundraiser. I think he would make a great #2, behind the scene administrator. That may be why Troy didn't pull the trigger on him.

I think by any metric, Farmer is a completely mediocre A.D. I can see arguments why people think he is worse, but I don't see how you can argue that he is better. Our basketball and baseball programs are competing at lower levels than in our recent history. We have made two bowl games but I attribute that solely to Hudspeth and his staff.

Additionally, our facilities have not improved very quickly during his tenure. IMO

I think Scott is a good person, he would just not be my choice for A.D.

What's fast enough for you? It's a serious question.
Our budget has increased from 12.2 million when he took over on an interim basis in 2011 to well over 15.5 million (from what I understand) this year. And that includes a 1 million dollar reduction in our university subsidy. To me that's pretty impressive growth.

I agree with you about the facilities. I'm hoping we see a tangible plan from him in the next year or so. Not just a fancy drawing. But it's not his fault our facilities are so horrible. You've got 40 years of neglect to thank for that.

Also, it's beyond unfair to blame Farmer for the failure of the basketball and baseball programs while refusing to give him any credit whatsoever for the success of the football program. If you want to say it's all Farmer's fault that the basketball team sucks you also have to say it's also all Farmer's fault that the football team is so great.