UL Coach (1957-73) Beryl Shipley

[wcd35]

_ Wow that's funny! _

I missed that one

[douglas]

glad to see this one opening up again. i had to pleasure of reading tom's manuscript along with the documents of correspondence between the university and the ncaa, along with slam dunked, just about every news paper account from across the country, monthly newsletters written by the ncaa themselves (those are gems) im evening trying to track down congressional minutes...trust me this one is a boondoggle at it's finest.

In fact one of my hurdles with the "lights out in blackham" is how to keep it a reasonable length. what i have noticed is the two camps that have set up-he's 100% innocent or he's 100% guilty.

[USL1970]

After reading the book, you can not help but feel symphathetic for Shipley as he was so bitter toward many of those he worked with which affected his life; however, Slam Dunked is a very one sided and opinonated book, and written almost like a conspiracy theory. The flavor of the book is to take a small or insignificant fact, and then twist it to come to an erroneous or self-serving conclusion.

Shipley was a good coach and the 70-71-72 basketball teams were great. I really enjoyed watching and cheering. However, the book really lacks scholarship with too many petty complaints and rants about the university, the board of education, and ncaa. Most people learn in life that they are the architects of their own fate. Lashing out and blaming so many others seems a bit paranoid considering the ncaa findings over several years.

I wish President Clyde Rougeou were alive to defend himself and the others who were berated needlessly also. I am not sure if anyone will learn "objectively" what really happened as most all are dead.

However, the good news was that Andrew Toney came along soon after the probation and revived the program. He and Bo Lamar were probably the greatest two players of all time at UL.

[Turbine]

_ The flavor of the book is to take a small or insignificant fact, and then twist it to come to an erroneous or self-serving conclusion.

Expected. Not unlike how the NCAA had only small and insignificant facts to work out a death penalty with.

Slam Dunked is a very one sided and opinonated book, and written almost like a conspiracy theory.

On that note, my question is . . . Why does the NCAA have no records of UL defending itself, and Dr. Authement still had this huge box of prepared answers.

[CajunRed]

In my mind, Turb, the answer/reason was always obvious. They did not want someone coming behind them and refuting/attacking their conclusions and, in the case of the University, their lack of defending the program and coaches.

igeaux.mobi

[Zeebart21]

_ In my mind, Turb, the answer/reason was always obvious. They did not want someone coming behind them and refuting/attacking their conclusions and, in the case of the University, their lack of defending the program and coaches.

igeaux.mobi _

Maybe USL 1970 can write his own book.

[Just1More]

_ After reading the book, you can not help but feel symphathetic for Shipley as he was so bitter toward many of those he worked with which affected his life; however, Slam Dunked is a very one sided and opinonated book, and written almost like a conspiracy theory. The flavor of the book is to take a small or insignificant fact, and then twist it to come to an erroneous or self-serving conclusion.

Shipley was a good coach and the 70-71-72 basketball teams were great. I really enjoyed watching and cheering. However, the book really lacks scholarship with too many petty complaints and rants about the university, the board of education, and ncaa. Most people learn in life that they are the architects of their own fate. Lashing out and blaming so many others seems a bit paranoid considering the ncaa findings over several years.

I wish President Clyde Rougeou were alive to defend himself and the others who were berated needlessly also. I am not sure if anyone will learn "objectively" what really happened as most all are dead.

However, the good news was that Andrew Toney came along soon after the probation and revived the program. He and Bo Lamar were probably the greatest two players of all time at UL. _

Interesting selection of terms and phrases to comment on the book.

When you believe you're the subject of a one-sided and opinion-riddled investigation that indicted you severely, although the "scholastics" won't like it, you are entitled to respond one-sided and opinion-riddled, severely.

"Written like a conspiracy theory"?... when you consider the times and the complete subject matter... do you not believe some at that time conspired against U S L? I'm not a conspiracy theorist prone individual by nature. I usually nod to those in authority that indeed "you wouldn't have indicted this individual if he were not guilty". But, there are ample reasons to seriously doubt the motives of the investigation and the almost "perfect target" a Beryl Shipley personality afforded those on the prosecuting side. I could quite easily see him being "served up" by his so-called colleagues.

You ask if anyone will ever learn "objectively" about the truth, yet you state individuals were berated "needlessly". The truth is undoubtedly difficult to bring to the light of day, but I doubt the book's berating was the only "needless" act in this whole affair.

"Most people learn in life that they are the architects of their own fate." Not always the case, but a good rule to live by... and so he authored a book.

[CajunRed]

Thank you, Just.

Interesting selection of terms and phrases to comment on the book.

When you believe you're the subject of a one-sided and opinion-riddled investigation that indicted you severely, although the "scholastics" won't like it, you are entitled to respond one-sided and opinion-riddled, severely.

"Written like a conspiracy theory"?... when you consider the times and the complete subject matter... do you not believe some at that time conspired against U S L? I'm not a conspiracy theorist prone individual by nature. I usually nod to those in authority that indeed "you wouldn't have indicted this individual if he were not guilty". But, there are ample reasons to seriously doubt the motives of the investigation and the almost "perfect target" a Beryl Shipley personality afforded those on the prosecuting side. I could quite easily see him being "served up" by his so-called colleagues.

You ask if anyone will ever learn "objectively" about the truth, yet you state individuals were berated "needlessly". The truth is undoubtedly difficult to bring to the light of day, but I doubt the book's berating was the only "needless" act in this whole affair.

"Most people learn in life that they are the architects of their own fate." Not always the case, but a good rule to live by... and so he authored a book.

igeaux.mobi

[Tom Shipley]

_ After reading the book, you can not help but feel symphathetic for Shipley as he was so bitter toward many of those he worked with which affected his life; however, Slam Dunked is a very one sided and opinonated book, and written almost like a conspiracy theory. The flavor of the book is to take a small or insignificant fact, and then twist it to come to an erroneous or self-serving conclusion.

Shipley was a good coach and the 70-71-72 basketball teams were great. I really enjoyed watching and cheering. However, the book really lacks scholarship with too many petty complaints and rants about the university, the board of education, and ncaa. Most people learn in life that they are the architects of their own fate. Lashing out and blaming so many others seems a bit paranoid considering the ncaa findings over several years.

I wish President Clyde Rougeou were alive to defend himself and the others who were berated needlessly also. I am not sure if anyone will learn "objectively" what really happened as most all are dead.

However, the good news was that Andrew Toney came along soon after the probation and revived the program. He and Bo Lamar were probably the greatest two players of all time at UL. _

"Slam Dunked is a very one sided and opinionated book." The responses to allegations in the book were quoted USL's written responses to the NCAA. I know that, because I wrote the original manuscript on which the book was based.

The book describes events as they truly occurred. If you do not know the factual history, you will believe the NCAA.

Did you know that the NCAA and the methods used to convict Beryl Shipley were used on Tarkanian four years later? And Tarkanian sued, it went to the Supreme Court. And the Court ruled that the NCAA was using hearsay to accuse and convict and then didn't confer with the accused schools -- it violated due process procedures.Tarkanian eventually won $2,500,000 from the NCAA.

The procedures used on Tarkanian were precisely the same as those on Tarkanian. But Tarkanian had money.

Much of the history of those days was presented by Lafayette's Daily Advertiser. But the real problem with Beryl and the rest of Louisiana was the fact that he was beating the tar out of the other institutions. He could have integrated his team with no problem -- if his team had just had the sense to lose most of its games.

[zephyr]

_ "Slam Dunked is a very one sided and opinionated book." The responses to allegations in the book were quoted USL's written responses to the NCAA. I know that, because I wrote the original manuscript on which the book was based.

The book describes events as they truly occurred. If you do not know the factual history, you will believe the NCAA.

Did you know that the NCAA and the methods used to convict Beryl Shipley were used on Tarkanian four years later? And Tarkanian sued, it went to the Supreme Court. And the Court ruled that the NCAA was using hearsay to accuse and convict and then didn't confer with the accused schools -- it violated due process procedures.Tarkanian eventually won $2,500,000 from the NCAA.

The procedures used on Tarkanian were precisely the same as those on Tarkanian. But Tarkanian had money.

Much of the history of those days was presented by Lafayette's Daily Advertiser. But the real problem with Beryl and the rest of Louisiana was the fact that he was beating the tar out of the other institutions. He could have integrated his team with no problem -- if his team had just had the sense to lose most of its games. _

Where can I get a copy of "The Turbulent 60's"?

[Tom Shipley]

It has not been published; stopped after Ron Gomez wrote Slam Dunked and was published. Ron Gomez has a copy, Beryl's wife, Dolores, has a copy, John Ed Bradley, who wrote a Sports Illustrated article An Accidental Hero, has a copy, and the source still rests in my computer.

It is not a highly readable document – that was not its purpose. Much of its 223, 8-1/2 x 11 pages consists of specific copies of the two NCAA inquiries and other communication documents and USL’s specific responses to the inquiries and other communication documents. It was accumulated and written to prove the major allegations made by the NCAA were untrue, and to show that they were unproven.

Some of the allegations were true; there were occasions when black athletes were allowed to ride with other students or faculty, going the same way, to get home, and there were many of that ilk in the 125 to 129 NCAA allegations. Tarkanian, beginning four years later in 1977, showed NCAA’s procedures, the same as those used at USL, falsely convicted people and universities without proving its case. The case had to go to the Supreme Court for the decision, but Tarkanian had the resources to make it happen, finally, in 1988.

I am prepared to provide copies to any agency that will agree to read it, has the facilities to comment publicly, and will do so -- pro or con. The manuscript uses the USL/NCAA correspondence as a verbatim source for the responses made to NCAA allegations in the ‘70s. That information had never been seen except for a very few people at USL and the NCAA. The acting president of USL in 1973, Dr. Authement, then sat on USL’s information until 2006.

Beryl Shipley had been surreptitiously given copies of all files on the subject that resided in UL archives. Correspondence between the NCAA and USL were entirely missing. However, one document gave us all we needed, it listed all of the correspondence of that period between the NCAA and USL. With that, I contacted Dr. Authement, asked for the specific information I wanted, and got it.

If you are not in the location of the three people listed, or near the UL to ask for copies of the original documents, I guess I am the only source for copies. I tried to get the material published in 2007, before Ron Gomez agreed to write his book; but, as I suspected, it was not highly readable because of my purpose. Additionally, all of my writing had involved describing evolving technology during the 1950s, ‘60s, ‘70s, and ‘80s, so it is also possible that I lacked the capability to write an interesting book.

Tom Shipley

[RaginDetroitCajun]

The truth comes out after all these years. I knew that Doc. A was a snake a.k.a. Ben Bernanke, and would never come clean unless forced to with nothing to lose. The damage this fraud did to his school was an act of treason. The only way to make up for it now would be to admit to a 30 + year cover up (including why he sabotaged athletics all these years), donate 90% of his net worth to the RCAF and beg for forgiveness. Which would be like Mr. Bernanke admitting the Federal Reserve is a complete fraud, which has only enriched the already rich bankers for the past 100 years and that was their mission statement from the beginning. These are the worst types of people on the planet. Those who cause so much harm and can legally deceive others without prosecution. They should hang their head in shame and disgrace.