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    Quote Originally Posted by wcd35 View Post
    That's pretty ridiculous. Some of them have a chasm between NC and Overall. Its as major conference-leaning as the BCS
    Precisely. I was hoping someone would be able to appreciate how much of a chasm exists in those numbers. It is simply stunning. And while baseball has a problem here as well, it is not as nearly as egregious as that of softball (due to the ridiculous bonus system implemented in softball).

    While it is still possible for a school outside of the elite conferences to crack the Top 16 at selection time, it really takes a special season. Last year, there were none.

    Brian

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    Brian...is there or will there be a new points system in place for softball like there will be next year for baseball...awarding 1.3 for an AWAY win and so forth?


  3. UL Softball Re: Projecting the RPI

    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    Here is a more clear breakdown of the differential between the "All Games Adjusted RPI" and the "Non-Conference Adjusted RPI" at NCAA selection time in 2011. The rankings below are for "All Games Adjusted RPI", not "Non-Conference Adjusted RPI".

    2011 Adjusted RPIs at NCAA Tournament Selection Time (Overall) vs. (Non-Conference)

    #1 Arizona State (.7080) vs. (.6422)
    #2 Georgia (.7059) vs. (.6872)
    #3 Texas (.7054) vs. (.6596)
    #4 Alabama (.7014) vs. (.7181)
    #5 Missouri (.6978) vs. (.6409)
    #6 Florida (.6962) vs. (.6952)
    #7 California (.6946) vs. (.6371)
    #8 Arizona (.6876) vs. (.6677)
    #9 Oklahoma (.6743) vs. (.6451)
    #10 Michigan (.6673) vs. (.6610)
    #11 Baylor (.6658) vs. (.6281)
    #12 Tennessee (.6601) vs. (.6146)
    #13 Washington (.6563) vs. (.6479)
    #14 Texas A&M (.6482) vs. (.5877)
    #15 Oregon (.6470) vs. (.6108)
    #16 Nebraska (.6407) vs. (.6161)

    Brian
    We looked at the Top 16 RPI schools above, all of which are from the elite conferences. Now let's look at the 2011 Top 16 RPI schools from the smaller conferences (outside of the Pac-12, SEC, Big XII, Big Ten, and ACC) and compare their Overall Adjusted RPIs vs. their Non-Conference Adjusted RPIs ...

    #17 Notre Dame (.6400) vs. (.6181)
    #22 Houston (.6290) vs. (.6207)
    #24 Louisville (.6234) vs. (.6258)
    #26 Syracuse (.6207) vs. (.6067)
    #28 Tulsa (.6133) vs. (.6002)
    #32 DePaul (.5956) vs. (.6016)
    #33 East Carolina (.5921) vs. (.5825)
    #34 Long Beach State (.5902) vs. (.6209)
    #35 Louisiana (.5900) vs. (.5684)
    #36 Fresno State (.5886) vs. (.6183)
    #37 Fordham (.5880) vs. (.5983)
    #38 UAB (.5879) vs. (.5781)
    #39 BYU (.5856) vs. (.5803)
    #40 Illinois State (.5854) vs. (.6085)
    #43 San Diego State (.5796) vs. (.5935)
    #44 Jacksonville (.5790) vs. (.5536)

    The average Overall Adjusted RPI for the Top 16 elite conference schools was .0311 higher than their Non-Conference Adjusted RPI.

    The average Overall Adjusted RPI for the Top 16 smaller conference schools was a mere .0008 higher than their Non-Conference Adjusted RPI. That is practically break even.

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRed View Post
    Brian...is there or will there be a new points system in place for softball like there will be next year for baseball...awarding 1.3 for an AWAY win and so forth?
    I am not aware of the NCAA Division I Softball Committee implementing (or proposing) any changes to the RPI next year ... or any year after 2013.

    Brian

  5. UL Softball Re: Projecting the RPI

    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    We looked at the Top 16 RPI schools above, all of which are from the elite conferences. Now let's look at the 2011 Top 16 RPI schools from the smaller conferences (outside of the Pac-12, SEC, Big XII, Big Ten, and ACC) and compare their Overall Adjusted RPIs vs. their Non-Conference Adjusted RPIs ...

    #17 Notre Dame (.6400) vs. (.6181)
    #22 Houston (.6290) vs. (.6207)
    #24 Louisville (.6234) vs. (.6258)
    #26 Syracuse (.6207) vs. (.6067)
    #28 Tulsa (.6133) vs. (.6002)
    #32 DePaul (.5956) vs. (.6016)
    #33 East Carolina (.5921) vs. (.5825)
    #34 Long Beach State (.5902) vs. (.6209)
    #35 Louisiana (.5900) vs. (.5684)
    #36 Fresno State (.5886) vs. (.6183)
    #37 Fordham (.5880) vs. (.5983)
    #38 UAB (.5879) vs. (.5781)
    #39 BYU (.5856) vs. (.5803)
    #40 Illinois State (.5854) vs. (.6085)
    #43 San Diego State (.5796) vs. (.5935)
    #44 Jacksonville (.5790) vs. (.5536)

    The average Overall Adjusted RPI for the Top 16 elite conference schools was .0311 higher than their Non-Conference Adjusted RPI.

    The average Overall Adjusted RPI for the Top 16 smaller conference schools was a mere .0008 higher than their Non-Conference Adjusted RPI. That is practically break even.

    Brian
    A few examples from this week that drive home the above ...

    Washington went 0-3 this past week with a sweep at the hands of Cal. However, their Adjusted RPI improved from .6613 to .6638 (.0025 increase). This is despite Washington entering the series with the #9 Adjusted RPI in the country. A lower RPI team would have seen more of an increase.

    Mississippi State went 1-3 last week ... a win over Mississippi Valley State and a sweep at the hands of Alabama. The Bulldogs' Adjusted RPI saw a healthy increase (.0047) from .5885 to .5932. They moved from #39 to #31 in the Adjusted RPI rankings.

    Oregon State went 4-2 last week, going 1-0 vs. Oregon, 2-0 vs. CS-Northridge, and 1-2 vs. UCLA. The four games vs. UCLA and Oregon really helped their OWP ... but they also earned Top 25 bonus points for the 2-2 performance versus Oregon and UCLA. It more than offset two really hurtful games vs. a 6-24 Northridge team. Oregon State's Adjusted RPI went from .5821 to .6044! This helped them move from the #41 position to the #25 position.

    You will see the elite conference teams moving up significantly in the RPI over the coming weeks ... displacing the teams that had better non-conference RPIs.

    Brian

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  7. UL Softball Re: Projecting the RPI (Cajun Softball)

    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    It is interesting to think about where the Cajuns' Softball RPI and RPI rank might be, depending on how they finish the season. There are many variables at play and you must choose which ones to hold constant in order to obtain a reasonable gauge. The following represents one approach, with assumptions documented. Once an Adjusted RPI figure is determined, you can then compare against the current Adjusted RPIs as well as last year's Adjusted RPIs at selection time to obtain an idea on ranking.

    Assumptions:

    I am starting with the Cajuns' WP (.9677) and OWP (.5467) through today's results (Sunday 4/1/12) and the OOWP (.5505) from last week (3/25). Once I have updated figures, I can calculate the new OOWP for 4/1/12.

    I do not make any assumptions with respect to how non-conference Cajun opponents will play the remainder of their schedule. IOW, I am assuming the same individual OWPs from each team through NCAA selection time.

    I am holding the OOWP constant at .5505.
    Note that the RPI projections I made a few days ago change little as the actual OOWP through 4/1 was .5521 ... an increase of .0016 over the .5505 used (last week's OOWP). Thus, you can simply add .0004 to the Base RPI and Adjusted RPI projections to achieve the new projections (.6652 vs. .6648 for a 19-0 finish).

    For Non-Conference RPI projections, I used an OOWP of .5444. This OOWP has been updated to .5484. Thus, you can add .0010 to both the Non-Conference Base and Adjusted RPIs to achieve the new projections (.6692 vs. .6682).

    Brian

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