Baseball RPI....

[Lafitte the Pirate]

Does anyone have a site that has the College Softball RPI?

[wcd35]

Does anyone have a site that has the College Softball RPI?

I cant find one yet. The first official one comes out the week of March 26

[Cajun90]

Does anyone have a site that has the College Softball RPI?

Other than the official RPI from the NCAA which is a few weeks out the only other one was Warren Nolan's which wasn't very accurate. As of now he does not show the softball RPI on his site.

[GoneGolfin]

Brian,

Is our OWP affected by our OOWP? In other words, if our opponents are playing superior competition as opposed to inferior competition and are winning does this help our RPI? I mean it seems like common sense but I'm just not sure what is actually weighed into the equation and I'm sure you have the answer to that.

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

[CajunRed]

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

Wow there, big boy. When i got to that phrase...arbitrary recursion depth...i almost threw up and had to actually lay down for a while. Sometimes we may ask questions that we can't handle...and as the RPI adult in the room, you will have to realize when such a question has been asked and just avoid answering. It's too dangerous.

[Turbine]

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

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[CajunAlum10]

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

WHOA

[CajunDreDog]

My brain hurts...

Anyone else smell that?

[RaginFan2]

Wow there, big boy. When i got to that phrase...arbitrary recursion depth...i almost threw up and had to actually lay down for a while. Sometimes we may ask questions that we can't handle...and as the RPI adult in the room, you will have to realize when such a question has been asked and just avoid answering. It's too dangerous.

"You can't handle the truth!!!"

[GoneGolfin]

Wow there, big boy. When i got to that phrase...arbitrary recursion depth...i almost threw up and had to actually lay down for a while. Sometimes we may ask questions that we can't handle...and as the RPI adult in the room, you will have to realize when such a question has been asked and just avoid answering. It's too dangerous.

Being that your seats are so close to mine, I will consider this in the future. I certainly do not want you tossing your cookies on my peanuts.

Go take some Tylenol and everything will be better. Drink plenty of fluids (the non-alcoholic variety).

Brian