Theut

Did Theut leave game with injury, if so, any word on the extent of injury

Overuse, he is coming back from a back injury and didn't prep his arm properly. Pitch count numbers that look like very little on paper were too much for his arm. He is a victim of unbalanced rehab.

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My guess.....my son just had his 2nd Tommy John with the Tx Rangers surgeon on Monday. so have a little experience here. Need a couple days rest to let any swelling subside. If any issues (aka pain or discomfort) an MRI will happen soon. From that point it could be minor issue and back to normal or up to a TJ.....won't know anything til then

58 low stress pitches is no where close to overuse. It's less than any recovering pitcher's bullpen sessions that would have been happening for multiple weeks prior to yesterday.

If he is in a sling, not good news

Poli is spot on

The nationwide focus on throw harder, throw harder, THROW HARDER, instead of focusing on pitch location is a contributing factor to arm injuries and the increase in hit batsmen.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

The nationwide focus on throw harder, throw harder, THROW HARDER, instead of focusing on pitch location is a contributing factor to arm injuries and the increase in hit batsmen.

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Agreed

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Yes / No

My guess.....my son just had his 2nd Tommy John with the Tx Rangers surgeon on Monday. so have a little experience here. Need a couple days rest to let any swelling subside. If any issues (aka pain or discomfort) an MRI will happen soon. From that point it could be minor issue and back to normal or up to a TJ.....won't know anything til then

58 low stress pitches is no where close to overuse. It's less than any recovering pitcher's bullpen sessions that would have been happening for multiple weeks prior to yesterday.

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What level ball does your son play?

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Originally Posted by Turbine

The nationwide focus on throw harder, throw harder, THROW HARDER, instead of focusing on pitch location is a contributing factor to arm injuries and the increase in hit batsmen.

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The college coaches that embrace strike throwers will be viewed as rebellious pioneers and quickly mimicked for their success.

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My guess.....my son just had his 2nd Tommy John with the Tx Rangers surgeon on Monday. so have a little experience here. Need a couple days rest to let any swelling subside. If any issues (aka pain or discomfort) an MRI will happen soon. From that point it could be minor issue and back to normal or up to a TJ.....won't know anything til then

58 low stress pitches is no where close to overuse. It's less than any recovering pitcher's bullpen sessions that would have been happening for multiple weeks prior to yesterday.

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Just curious but you said 58 low stress pitches. How does one consider any in-game pitching low stress?

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If he is in a sling, not good news

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Even for a full TJ.....sling typically not needed til after surgery. Arm will likely be soar today but for some pitchers.....they won't know elbow is possibly damaged til you try to throw again in next bullpen session.

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Just curious but you said 58 low stress pitches. How does one consider any in-game pitching low stress?

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Few baserunners. Few 3 ball counts. Theut was flat out on point dominating a top 10 hitting team.

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What level ball does your son play?

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DII.....SAU Mulerider. Signed with Wichita State. 1st TJ was a slow recovery plus Covid shut down year. Went JC to get right with new left arm......went from 93-94 pre TJ to 88-89 after.

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DII.....SAU Mulerider

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Been to Magnolia, AR many times, only 30 miles from my home, Springhill, LA

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Yes / No

My guess.....my son just had his 2nd Tommy John with the Tx Rangers surgeon on Monday. so have a little experience here. Need a couple days rest to let any swelling subside. If any issues (aka pain or discomfort) an MRI will happen soon. From that point it could be minor issue and back to normal or up to a TJ.....won't know anything til then

58 low stress pitches is no where close to overuse. It's less than any recovering pitcher's bullpen sessions that would have been happening for multiple weeks prior to yesterday.

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He threw 62 pitches. He entered the game with 0 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, against the 6 team in the nation, and his team clinging to a 1 run lead. Seems like a reach to characterize that as “low stress.”

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Even for a full TJ.....sling typically not needed til after surgery. Arm will likely be soar today but for some pitchers.....they won't know elbow is possibly damaged til you try to throw again in next bullpen session.

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Sore arms are pretty routine. So are cracking elbows and shoulders years after their last pitch.

My son played summer ball with a guy who had three and a half TJ's. Might be a record

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...john-surgeries

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He threw 62 pitches. He entered the game with 0 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, against the 6 team in the nation, and his team clinging to a 1 run lead. Seems like a reach to characterize that as “low stress.”

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Those were his only stress pitches of the night.

He was dynamic.

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He threw 62 pitches. He entered the game with 0 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, against the 6 team in the nation, and his team clinging to a 1 run lead. Seems like a reach to characterize that as “low stress.”

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He calmly and quickly got 3 outs that inning......only run scored was on a routine fly to left. 3rd out was a wicked 3 pitch K where he pitched backwards (2,2,1). Next 4 innings was a continuation of inning #1. Theut was in full control over his opponent all 5 innings. Even the 1st one.

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He calmly and quickly got 3 outs that inning......only run scored was on a routine fly to left. 3rd out was a wicked 3 pitch K where he pitched backwards (2,2,1). Next 4 innings was a continuation of inning #1. Theut was in full control over his opponent all 5 innings. Even the 1st one.

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His demeanor and effectiveness don’t determine if that was a stress free outing. He pitched with a comfortable lead the rest of the outing, so I could see an argument to be made there. To say the entire outing was stress free is just not based in reality. He was lights out yesterday no doubt. It’s a shame it’s all we’ll see of him this year.

Go back and watch the pitch before he got hurt. He grimaced and acted funny like something hurt. They should have come out then and pulled him. He waved off the dugout but they should have checked on him and saved him from himself

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Originally Posted by zeppelincajun

He threw 62 pitches. He entered the game with 0 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, against the 6 team in the nation, and his team clinging to a 1 run lead. Seems like a reach to characterize that as “low stress.”

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Low stress means he didn’t put himself in any high leverage counts. He was cruising and dialed in.

If there were no stress pitches would he be injured?

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Originally Posted by zeppelincajun

He threw 62 pitches. He entered the game with 0 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, against the 6 team in the nation, and his team clinging to a 1 run lead. Seems like a reach to characterize that as “low stress.”

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Against a top 10 offense in America. All of those pitches were stress pitches.

The thing is, had he not injured himself on his final pitch last night, there’s a pretty good chance it was gonna happen soon. May have been the first pitch he threw in his next bullpen session. Who knows?

Injuries happen. If anyone knew exactly when they were going to, there would be a lot less of them.

Hopefully it’s not as serious as it looked. And if it is, here’s to a speedy and successful recovery.

The kid deserves a ton of credit for an epic performance last night. Blaming anyone for his injury on his 62nd pitch of the night is just looking for a reason to be mad about something.

Nicely put sportsfanatic21