Damar Hamlin

What I saw tonight with Damar Hamlin in the Bills-Bengals game is by far the scariest thing I’ve ever seen in football. Prayers up for him.

It looked like a normal hit. There have been much more “scarier” hits which makes this so confusing. Hoping and praying for the kid

Some times when a person goes into cardiac arrest the EMT will perform a sharp blow to the chest before giving them a shock. The opposite is true. A sharp blow to the chest can cause cardiac arrest. I'm thinking this could have happened in this case.

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Originally Posted by HelmutVII

Some times when a person goes into cardiac arrest the EMT will perform a sharp blow to the chest before giving them a shock. The opposite is true. A sharp blow to the chest can cause cardiac arrest. I'm thinking this could have happened in this case.

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Possibly this…most common in baseball.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

Understand they shocked him on the field and was intubated.

Though odds are he’ll remember very little if anything of the actual event, the best thing he has going for him besides God’s grace is being young and fit.

Don’t let the talking heads mislead you with “this has never happened before”. Chuck Hughes, Detroit, died on the field in ‘71, heart attack, undetected blockage. Late 4th quarter, they completed the game.

Prayers for all impacted. He has a good chance of getting thru this.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

He coded twice, so unless someone tackled him again at the hospital, unlikely the cause. Isn’t it Weird how nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room?

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The act of shocking the heart into a rhythm causes damage by itself. There are many reasons why a second arrest happened that could have nothing to do with any inflammation caused by the vaccine.

Commotio cordis is a very freaky and one in a million thing, but it does happen, and it sure looked like that is what happened from the film of the play.

Looked for yourself how many soccer players have collapsed on the field in the last 2 years with cardiac arrest, remember they don’t tackle in soccer.

All involved knows exactly what caused DH’s heart attack by now. HIPPA is in play, unless the family spokesman tells the media, it’s all pure conjecture.

He is pretty much where I thought he’d be as far as the recovery process. Guessing he’ll get off the vent early next week, off the “milk of amnesia” around the weekend. Really think the prompt aid will let him recover, abet any heart damage.

As far as multiple codes, anything can happen. I personally coded 5 times, 3 before the blockage was addressed, twice after. Of course, I wasn’t aware, but my family was.

It’s a blessing years later to meet the nurse who intubated me while in the elevator on the way to surgery. Things happen as HE plans.

I pray DH receives similar blessings.

Please remember as you pray, neither side of the bed rail is “fun” at time like these.

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

All involved knows exactly what caused DH’s heart attack by now. HIPPA is in play, unless the family spokesman tells the media, it’s all pure conjecture.

He is pretty much where I thought he’d be as far as the recovery process. Guessing he’ll get off the vent early next week, off the “milk of amnesia” around the weekend. Really think the prompt aid will let him recover, abet any heart damage.

As far as multiple codes, anything can happen. I personally coded 5 times, 3 before the blockage was addressed, twice after. Of course, I wasn’t aware, but my family was.

Please remember as you pray, neither side of the bed rail is “fun” at time like these.

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Amen

Just for clarification here, Damar Hamlin went into cardiac arrest.

A heart attack is when blood flow to the heart is blocked. Sudden cardiac arrest is when the heart malfunctions and suddenly stops beating.

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun77

Just for clarification here, Damar Hamlin went into cardiac arrest.

A heart attack is when blood flow to the heart is blocked. Sudden cardiac arrest is when the heart malfunctions and suddenly stops beating.

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Which can be caused by myocarditis.

One possible cause is V-Tach. One of the symptoms is sudden death. I had it long ago and was lucky.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355138

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

All involved knows exactly what caused DH’s heart attack by now. HIPPA is in play, unless the family spokesman tells the media, it’s all pure conjecture.

He is pretty much where I thought he’d be as far as the recovery process. Guessing he’ll get off the vent early next week, off the “milk of amnesia” around the weekend. Really think the prompt aid will let him recover, abet any heart damage.

As far as multiple codes, anything can happen. I personally coded 5 times, 3 before the blockage was addressed, twice after. Of course, I wasn’t aware, but my family was.

It’s a blessing years later to meet the nurse who intubated me while in the elevator on the way to surgery. Things happen as HE plans.

I pray DH receives similar blessings.

Please remember as you pray, neither side of the bed rail is “fun” at time like these.

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Damn didn't know that. Glad you are still with us. Now I see why you are truly blessed.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

One possible cause is V-Tach. One of the symptoms is sudden death. I had it long ago and was lucky.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355138

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Glad to see you back on the board with baseball about to start.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

Looked for yourself how many soccer players have collapsed on the field in the last 2 years with cardiac arrest, remember they don’t tackle in soccer.

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A few before.

FABRICE MUAMBA
2012

BAFETIMBI GOMIS
2018

MARC-VIVIEN FOE
2003

ANTONIO PUERTA
2007

CHEICK TIOTE
2017

MIKLOS FEHER
2004

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...ch-2021-06-12/

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Originally Posted by Turbine

A few before

FABRICE MUAMBA
2012

BAFETIMBI GOMIS
2018

MARC-VIVIEN FOE
2003

ANTONIO PUERTA
2007

CHEICK TIOTE
2017

MIKLOS FEHER
2004

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...ch-2021-06-12/

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https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/wh...-attacks-53621

And this is still a year old

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

All involved knows exactly what caused DH’s heart attack by now. HIPPA is in play, unless the family spokesman tells the media, it’s all pure conjecture.

He is pretty much where I thought he’d be as far as the recovery process. Guessing he’ll get off the vent early next week, off the “milk of amnesia” around the weekend. Really think the prompt aid will let him recover, abet any heart damage.

As far as multiple codes, anything can happen. I personally coded 5 times, 3 before the blockage was addressed, twice after. Of course, I wasn’t aware, but my family was.

It’s a blessing years later to meet the nurse who intubated me while in the elevator on the way to surgery. Things happen as HE plans.

I pray DH receives similar blessings.

Please remember as you pray, neither side of the bed rail is “fun” at time like these.

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As an experienced ICU RN…

To clarify, all accounts have noted he went into cardiac arrest, and did not have a “heart attack”

Heart attack is associated to myocardial infarction, or heart tissue damage due to lack of blood flow (usually coronary artery disease).

Cardiac arrest (heart stopped) is usually due to an injury caused to the heart (trauma I.e. hit to the chest) or cardiac dysrhythia (electrical disTurbinece or electrolyte irregularity)

Cardiac arrest and heart attack are 2 different processes or diagnosis, however heart attack can lead to cardiac arrest.

As far as I’ve read, he had no prior history of heart disease (of which physical exam in NFL or NCAA would have likely detected by now)

In all likelihood, he went into dysthymia due to an unfortunate hit at the wrong time. Likely causing him to go into VTAC or Vfib, both are medical emergency, however vfib is incompatible with meaningful circulation.

Cardiac arrest with extended period of CPR required will most times lead to several processes to take place afterwards, all of which include life support with ventilation, Neuro monitoring, and cardiac monitoring.

Some of the other details released by family have made me lean towards traumatic injury to his chest causing the cardiac arrest. The fact that someone in his ring of “people in the know” mentioned he was laying on his stomach in the ICU, that would indicate breathing issues. This process is called “prone”. Most persons placed in this position have had extensive lung disease or traumatic injury (I placed more persons in prone than I can remember during the bad covid times).

Some family did mentioned that he was “improving” and he was requiring less 02. The o2 requirement being reduced is good, however their is much more involved in mechanical ventilation than just oxygen…the supportive measures provided by the ventilator will be a much better indicator of how he is truly improving. How much PEEP (positive expiratory pressure) and respiration rate. The less PEEP and respiratory rate that the ventilator requires directly correlates to how much he is breathing on his own. I’ve had patients requiring no extra 02 however the ventilator is providing 100% of the work because the patient cannot take a breath on their own. Of which happens with severe brain injury, due to traumatic injury or lack of blood flow. The latter would be his biggest concern due to requiring CPR, however he is young and it does present a higher chance of recovery.


Just wanted to clarify since you mentioned he had a heart attack and to offer further insight from someone that has personally taken care of numerous persons in ICU with all of the above mentioned issues.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

As an experienced ICU RN…

To clarify, all accounts have noted he went into cardiac arrest, and did not have a “heart attack”

Heart attack is associated to myocardial infarction, or heart tissue damage due to lack of blood flow (usually coronary artery disease).

Cardiac arrest (heart stopped) is usually due to an injury caused to the heart (trauma I.e. hit to the chest) or cardiac dysrhythia (electrical disTurbinece or electrolyte irregularity)

Cardiac arrest and heart attack are 2 different processes or diagnosis, however heart attack can lead to cardiac arrest.

As far as I’ve read, he had no prior history of heart disease (of which physical exam in NFL or NCAA would have likely detected by now)

In all likelihood, he went into dysthymia due to an unfortunate hit at the wrong time. Likely causing him to go into VTAC or Vfib, both are medical emergency, however vfib is incompatible with meaningful circulation.

Cardiac arrest with extended period of CPR required will most times lead to several processes to take place afterwards, all of which include life support with ventilation, Neuro monitoring, and cardiac monitoring.

Some of the other details released by family have made me lean towards traumatic injury to his chest causing the cardiac arrest. The fact that someone in his ring of “people in the know” mentioned he was laying on his stomach in the ICU, that would indicate breathing issues. This process is called “prone”. Most persons placed in this position have had extensive lung disease or traumatic injury (I placed more persons in prone than I can remember during the bad covid times).

Some family did mentioned that he was “improving” and he was requiring less 02. The o2 requirement being reduced is good, however their is much more involved in mechanical ventilation than just oxygen…the supportive measures provided by the ventilator will be a much better indicator of how he is truly improving. How much PEEP (positive expiratory pressure) and respiration rate. The less PEEP and respiratory rate that the ventilator requires directly correlates to how much he is breathing on his own. I’ve had patients requiring no extra 02 however the ventilator is providing 100% of the work because the patient cannot take a breath on their own. Of which happens with severe brain injury, due to traumatic injury or lack of blood flow. The latter would be his biggest concern due to requiring CPR, however he is young and it does present a higher chance of recovery.


Just wanted to clarify since you mentioned he had a heart attack and to offer further insight from someone that has personally taken care of numerous persons in ICU with all of the above mentioned issues.

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Thanks for the clarity.

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Originally Posted by JMVCAJUNS

Damn didn't know that. Glad you are still with us. Now I see why you are truly blessed.

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Thanks. We’re all blessed, it’s whether one realizes how blessed we are in all circumstances.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

As an experienced ICU RN…

To clarify, all accounts have noted he went into cardiac arrest, and did not have a “heart attack”

Heart attack is associated to myocardial infarction, or heart tissue damage due to lack of blood flow (usually coronary artery disease).

Cardiac arrest (heart stopped) is usually due to an injury caused to the heart (trauma I.e. hit to the chest) or cardiac dysrhythia (electrical disTurbinece or electrolyte irregularity)

Cardiac arrest and heart attack are 2 different processes or diagnosis, however heart attack can lead to cardiac arrest.

As far as I’ve read, he had no prior history of heart disease (of which physical exam in NFL or NCAA would have likely detected by now)

In all likelihood, he went into dysthymia due to an unfortunate hit at the wrong time. Likely causing him to go into VTAC or Vfib, both are medical emergency, however vfib is incompatible with meaningful circulation.

Cardiac arrest with extended period of CPR required will most times lead to several processes to take place afterwards, all of which include life support with ventilation, Neuro monitoring, and cardiac monitoring.

Some of the other details released by family have made me lean towards traumatic injury to his chest causing the cardiac arrest. The fact that someone in his ring of “people in the know” mentioned he was laying on his stomach in the ICU, that would indicate breathing issues. This process is called “prone”. Most persons placed in this position have had extensive lung disease or traumatic injury (I placed more persons in prone than I can remember during the bad covid times).

Some family did mentioned that he was “improving” and he was requiring less 02. The o2 requirement being reduced is good, however their is much more involved in mechanical ventilation than just oxygen…the supportive measures provided by the ventilator will be a much better indicator of how he is truly improving. How much PEEP (positive expiratory pressure) and respiration rate. The less PEEP and respiratory rate that the ventilator requires directly correlates to how much he is breathing on his own. I’ve had patients requiring no extra 02 however the ventilator is providing 100% of the work because the patient cannot take a breath on their own. Of which happens with severe brain injury, due to traumatic injury or lack of blood flow. The latter would be his biggest concern due to requiring CPR, however he is young and it does present a higher chance of recovery.


Just wanted to clarify since you mentioned he had a heart attack and to offer further insight from someone that has personally taken care of numerous persons in ICU with all of the above mentioned issues.

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Thanks for the clarity. Appreciate what you and your coworkers do.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

As an experienced ICU RN…

To clarify, all accounts have noted he went into cardiac arrest, and did not have a “heart attack”

Heart attack is associated to myocardial infarction, or heart tissue damage due to lack of blood flow (usually coronary artery disease).

Cardiac arrest (heart stopped) is usually due to an injury caused to the heart (trauma I.e. hit to the chest) or cardiac dysrhythia (electrical disTurbinece or electrolyte irregularity)

Cardiac arrest and heart attack are 2 different processes or diagnosis, however heart attack can lead to cardiac arrest.

As far as I’ve read, he had no prior history of heart disease (of which physical exam in NFL or NCAA would have likely detected by now)

In all likelihood, he went into dysthymia due to an unfortunate hit at the wrong time. Likely causing him to go into VTAC or Vfib, both are medical emergency, however vfib is incompatible with meaningful circulation.

Cardiac arrest with extended period of CPR required will most times lead to several processes to take place afterwards, all of which include life support with ventilation, Neuro monitoring, and cardiac monitoring.

Some of the other details released by family have made me lean towards traumatic injury to his chest causing the cardiac arrest. The fact that someone in his ring of “people in the know” mentioned he was laying on his stomach in the ICU, that would indicate breathing issues. This process is called “prone”. Most persons placed in this position have had extensive lung disease or traumatic injury (I placed more persons in prone than I can remember during the bad covid times).

Some family did mentioned that he was “improving” and he was requiring less 02. The o2 requirement being reduced is good, however their is much more involved in mechanical ventilation than just oxygen…the supportive measures provided by the ventilator will be a much better indicator of how he is truly improving. How much PEEP (positive expiratory pressure) and respiration rate. The less PEEP and respiratory rate that the ventilator requires directly correlates to how much he is breathing on his own. I’ve had patients requiring no extra 02 however the ventilator is providing 100% of the work because the patient cannot take a breath on their own. Of which happens with severe brain injury, due to traumatic injury or lack of blood flow. The latter would be his biggest concern due to requiring CPR, however he is young and it does present a higher chance of recovery.


Just wanted to clarify since you mentioned he had a heart attack and to offer further insight from someone that has personally taken care of numerous persons in ICU with all of the above mentioned issues.

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Question if you don't mind? what are the odds we ever see a toxicology report? What are the chances he might have chugged a couple of 5 hour energy drinks before he took the place of the original player who was injured?

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

As an experienced ICU RN…

To clarify, all accounts have noted he went into cardiac arrest, and did not have a “heart attack”

Heart attack is associated to myocardial infarction, or heart tissue damage due to lack of blood flow (usually coronary artery disease).

Cardiac arrest (heart stopped) is usually due to an injury caused to the heart (trauma I.e. hit to the chest) or cardiac dysrhythia (electrical disTurbinece or electrolyte irregularity)

Cardiac arrest and heart attack are 2 different processes or diagnosis, however heart attack can lead to cardiac arrest.

As far as I’ve read, he had no prior history of heart disease (of which physical exam in NFL or NCAA would have likely detected by now)

In all likelihood, he went into dysthymia due to an unfortunate hit at the wrong time. Likely causing him to go into VTAC or Vfib, both are medical emergency, however vfib is incompatible with meaningful circulation.

Cardiac arrest with extended period of CPR required will most times lead to several processes to take place afterwards, all of which include life support with ventilation, Neuro monitoring, and cardiac monitoring.

Some of the other details released by family have made me lean towards traumatic injury to his chest causing the cardiac arrest. The fact that someone in his ring of “people in the know” mentioned he was laying on his stomach in the ICU, that would indicate breathing issues. This process is called “prone”. Most persons placed in this position have had extensive lung disease or traumatic injury (I placed more persons in prone than I can remember during the bad covid times).

Some family did mentioned that he was “improving” and he was requiring less 02. The o2 requirement being reduced is good, however their is much more involved in mechanical ventilation than just oxygen…the supportive measures provided by the ventilator will be a much better indicator of how he is truly improving. How much PEEP (positive expiratory pressure) and respiration rate. The less PEEP and respiratory rate that the ventilator requires directly correlates to how much he is breathing on his own. I’ve had patients requiring no extra 02 however the ventilator is providing 100% of the work because the patient cannot take a breath on their own. Of which happens with severe brain injury, due to traumatic injury or lack of blood flow. The latter would be his biggest concern due to requiring CPR, however he is young and it does present a higher chance of recovery.


Just wanted to clarify since you mentioned he had a heart attack and to offer further insight from someone that has personally taken care of numerous persons in ICU with all of the above mentioned issues.

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I don't know where you work, but you may have helped save my life or took care of me. In December 2019, I was brought to LGMC as a trauma 2 patient and should have died on the way there. I was in ICU for 10 days. If you were, I just want to say thank you!!!
If you work elsewhere, I still want to say thank you anyway for what ya'll do. People like you are doing God's work!!

Geaux Cajuns!!!

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon King

Question if you don't mind? what are the odds we ever see a toxicology report? What are the chances he might have chugged a couple of 5 hour energy drinks before he took the place of the original player who was injured?

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1. They might have done a UDS (urine drug screen) upon admission to ER. But that would test for everyday illicit drugs (nothin in a 5 hour energy).

2. I personally Doubt any of that had anything todo with it. See my previous opinions on the evidence we know of.

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Originally Posted by RayneCajun

I don't know where you work, but you may have helped save my life or took care of me. In December 2019, I was brought to LGMC as a trauma 2 patient and should have died on the way there. I was in ICU for 10 days. If you were, I just want to say thank you!!!
If you work elsewhere, I still want to say thank you anyway for what ya'll do. People like you are doing God's work!!

Geaux Cajuns!!!

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I would have been working at LGMC ICU at that time. I have taken care of many trauma patients. And I may have cared for you. It’s a big ICU, and now it’s even bigger as of recent additions…so who knows lol

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

1. They might have done a UDS (urine drug screen) upon admission to ER. But that would test for everyday illicit drugs (nothin in a 5 hour energy).

2. I personally Doubt any of that had anything todo with it. See my previous opinions on the evidence we know of.

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I've now heard a few different physicians as well as yourself say & please correct me if I'm wrong, but the hit just happening at the right millisecond in the right spot could have literally caused his cardiac arrest. The only problem I have with this train of thought is if this is what you are saying & is the case, then how does this not happen more often as there are hits like this & in many cases having seemingly much greater impact in the same area of the body on a weekly basis at pretty much every level of play in football as well as hockey & rugby. Also, thank you for your enlightenment & the job you do as well.

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon King

I've now heard a few different physicians as well as yourself say & please correct me if I'm wrong, but the hit just happening at the right millisecond in the right spot could have literally caused his cardiac arrest. The only problem I have with this train of thought is if this is what you are saying & is the case, then how does this not happen more often as there are hits like this & in many cases having seemingly much greater impact in the same area of the body on a weekly basis at pretty much every level of play in football as well as hockey & rugby. Also, thank you for your enlightenment & the job you do as well.

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There’s no way to answer that question.

All it takes is the one moment to have impact at just a precise time to cause the sequence of events to take place that we witnessed. The same thing can be said about a lot of injuries…same tackle can take place over and over again, then one tackle causes injury by just the right circumstances