between clowney and the semi crazy te at ou seems like a precedent may be being set what are your thoughts?
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between clowney and the semi crazy te at ou seems like a precedent may be being set what are your thoughts?
please explain what this is--No idea OU Oklahoma??? Clowney???
well its clear clowney is putting his big future nfl pay day in front of his team at s carolina
Colt Lyerla, pure stud at oregon, quit the team this morning. rather than transfer he is simply entering the draft. Colt is actually somewhat of a head case so i dont know if he is the norm or should be judged as so.
on a side note boomer doesn't understand my post...top that fellas
thats my question i suppose, could this lead to kids using schools as nothing more than an nfl waiting room. While this is pretty much the case i haven't seen kids go into cool down mode midway in their final year.
And is this the beginning of the transition into what college basketball is today? a some what one and done mentality.
red shirt, do one year on the field and then coast to the draft.
I'm with Boomer. I have no idea what your self-discussion is about. You've been hanging with Boomer too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by douglas
Clowney is going to be great in the NFL. He's trying not to get hurt this season. Sucks for South Carolina, but I'm sure he has plenty of people advising him.
Clowney is DE for South Carolina, some project him to be top pick in draft. He has been "hurt" all year and he told Spurrier before kickoff Saturday that he couldn't play. Everyone knows he is avoiding getting hurt and faking the extent of his "injuries."Quote:
Originally Posted by BeauCajun
If the guy gets hurt...South Carolina isn't going to pay his bills if he misses out on untold millions. I understand a senior on the team who isn't going to get a chance playing again after college toughing it out for the team, but Clowney has a future to think about. If the guy won't hurt his draft stock, it is perfectly fine by me. Non-profit universities can make big time money off these kids backs, but when one of them protects HIS interests it's wrong? That's a double standard.
he is hurting his draft stock and costing himself way more money by what he is doing now. if he drops even a couple slots by teams questioning his character and dedication... it will cost him millions.
He could sit out the entire season...and will still go #1. It won't cost him a penny. He is "Lawrence Taylor" good...everyone turned a blind eye to what LT did, even though the Saints took George Rogers instead. Questionable character is always going to be trumped by ungodly talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycajun
I never said anything was right or wrong. Im asking if our obsession with the NFL that has created the insane contracts now rippled to the college level to where kids will now start coasting through there last year. Is this the first steps of a slippery slope? Will a flock of others begin to take this approach is what I'm asking, not an anecdotal judgment I supposeQuote:
Originally Posted by cajunhawk
Did he have to play one more year before coming out for the draft? I forget the rule.
I don't like the attitude in general....but it is true that the schools and some of the millionaire coaches use and discard these kids at will, so I'm not exactly losing any sleep over one of the few kids with leverage using it......
He can come out this year. I also agree to a point that the kids are used and without the four year guarantee a lot hangs in the balance.
if you are cleared to play and dont...thats a big question mark. what will he do for you once he gets paid? he hasnt dominated squat this year either. his numbers are way down, he appears out of shape, he told his coach he wasnt gonna play. the questions are starting to add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunhawk
prima donna head case is what comes to mind for me. A coach with some nards would set him straight.
And when he gets to the combine and blows people away with what they already know about his size and speed, all those question marks will fade into oblivion. It's not like the guy is suspended or anything. Had he been suspended I would agree that those kinds of question marks might make a difference. But all the guy is doing is taking it easy, so he doesn't end up like Marcus Lattimore with a twice blown out Knee and an uphill climb to make it in the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycajun
I think his body of work is already #1 pick material and nothing he does this year beyond getting hurt or robbing a bank will change that.
Sorry if I worded it that way. I think we are seeing the beginnings of what will become minor league football.Quote:
Originally Posted by douglas
I agree with you. With that said, he should just quit the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunhawk
If you own a piece of property that has been proven to hold a fortune in Oil & Gas reserves, but you cannot contact anyone to drill for that oil for 3 years, and someone from the local university wants to do underground explosives and seismic testing on your piece of property for free that may alter or shift the formations and reservoirs where your fortune lies...are you a head case for not allowing them to do the testing, or are you using your head by being conservative and not allowing that opportunity to go to waste? The kid is just doing it the smart way.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumboragncajun
Oh man, that would set such a huge precedent...I don't know if the whole of college football would be ready for that. But it's something that needs to happen. I hope he does it. Pure chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by duggie85
Why does the name Jordan Jefferson come to mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunhawk
If he can't do anything but hurt his stock, then quit and start training for the combine.
Very poor analogy. Thought you would have come up with something better. If I am the coach, "You either play for this team, or you don't" Both HUD and Marlin have a philosophy of it all being "ABOUT THE TEAM". Quen Griffin, JJ Thomas are examples of guys that were about themselves more than the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunhawk
I agree it's a weird analogy but it fits. If he could, Clowney would have gone to the NFL out of High School. Just like in the analogy, had the person been allowed to drill for oil and not wait 3 years, they would have done it so fast it would have made your head spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumboragncajun
Clowney is in a precarious position. The NFL says you cannot get drafted until you are 3 years removed from High School. He has very few options in that case. He can either play 3 years of college ball and hope and pray to god he doesn't blow out his knee once or twice. Or...he could not play football at all...wait three years...be forgotten and have to train on his own dime for three years until he can cash in. College Football is the best option at the moment.
But with two years in, and watching a special talent in Marcus Lattimore have his dreams literally crushed right before Clowney's eyes, you cannot blame him for having a "Me First" mentality. Some kids go to school to learn, Clowney went to school because it's the only feasible way to get that big NFL contract.
I don't see how you can put guys like Qyen Griffin and JJ Thomas and compare them to a guy in a situation like Clowney. Neither of those guys had sure fire NFL draft pick slapped on them coming out of high school. They were guys who had to play on a team, and play well to even be considered for that opportunity. They weren't sitting out of games to protect themselves from undue damage to their bodies so that the mutli-millions they were literally guaranteed wouldn't be ____ed away for a game that in the grand scheme of things means very little. Griffin and Thomas were selfish because they chose to be. Clowney is being selfish because he needs to be.