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This would never happen to a big time school. The NCAA is outrageously hipocrytical. After all, it's all about STUDENT athletes. At least Orien did his work.
i agree with ya'll.
two more thoughts:
1.) Our NCAA compliance officer is the one who should be held responsible (forget his/her name at the moment)
2.) Can we please just forget about this? Seriously, let's forget about it. We were already depressed about men's basketball as it is, so this is not really that big of a deal. let's concentrate on the stuff that's not depressing us and dragging us down. We've got too many other good things goin on to let this rain on our parade
God Bless
Did anyone else notice that the advertiser just raped us in this article. "The committe was shocked that the university ignored this unambiguous rule"? (not an exact quote but close). Hey advertiser, you read the NCAA rule book and see if it's that blatant to you. The advertiser will not see another dime from me, I'm fed up with them. They make the biggest deal about this (NCAA and Advertiser) Is it wrong what we did? Yes. Was it intentional? I don't think so. I haven't heard Jack squat out of the Advertiser or from the NCAA about Pokey's purple and gold butt having sex with her players! The Advertiser can kiss my a__ and the NCAA can kiss my a__ too! I've had it with all of the idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid
All the Advertiser did was quote the NCAA report. Those were the committee's words, not the Advertiser's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal
Also, to answer a previous post, it's the FORMER compliance officer that gets the blame on this, not the current one.
I mistook the quote. Even so, then why did it take the NCAA take so long to pass down a ruling and sentencing? Probably because no one there knew what the rule meant either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdofParadise
While yes it is the former compliance officer who is to blame, the NCAA won't punish him. They punish the institution. To me, if its one guy that screws up, and he ain't here any more, then you get a slap on the wrist. Guess it only works if you're in the BCS.
I can't say enough how much I HATE the NCAA.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...C-RSSFeeds0312
How many scholarships are they losing? The money they had to pay back was much more than ours, but then again, with their athletic budget, it's not like they're missing it too much.
What did the Football team get hit with? It shouldnt be anything more than the probation because Spurrier anounced he was monitoring his athletes at practice at a press conference a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockMeaux
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Originally Posted by Advertiser
Well I am ready to hear what UL's recommendations and concessions were and what the NCAA added to the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1stTake
I agree with 1stTake, any pre concession offer would be interpreted as a major guilty plea to an ambiguous at best rule. It so goes without saying that the NCAA tendency would be to conclude that no entity gives unto them selves what they really deserve.
So as indicated by the David Walker quote, I am ready to hear what did UL offer up front? Anything more than a t-shirt purchase by the football players would be too much.
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LAFAYETTE, La. — La. Lafayette was placed on probation for two years and will lose two basketball scholarships under NCAA sanctions announced Thursday, stemming from a basketball player's correspondence course and the football program's mandatory summer workouts.
The head of the NCAA's Division I Infractions Committee said the panel did not find the violations to be intentional.
Instead, school officials "failed to catch the obvious error" regarding the correspondence courses and the football staff failed to recognize that its "voluntary program" for football conditioning had gone beyond NCAA limits.
As a result of the violations, University of Louisiana will forfeit 90 percent of the first year's money it got from the Sun Belt Conference for playing in the NCAA basketball tournaments in 2004 and 2005 and will forfeit two scholarships — either both in one year or one in each of two years.
The records of the school's basketball team in 2003-04 and 2004-05 — including NCAA tournament participation — also will be erased and the school will not be allowed to make any reference to it, the NCAA said.
The football team will have its allowable weekly practice hours reduced from 20 hours to 15 hours, either during the current spring semester or in the 2008 spring semester.
The NCAA did not disclose the amount of money involved in the revenue forfeiture.
University of Louisiana interim athletics director David Walker said in a statement the NCAA report agreed with the university's own findings and the school had accepted the penalties. He said the university was awaiting NCAA certification it already had fulfilled the football practice reduction.
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"It is very important to note that the NCAA committee explicitly stated that there was no finding of the university intentionally violating any NCAA rules," Walker said.
The committee's head, Josephine Potuto, said during a teleconference that the basketball allegations surrounded one player who used 15 hours worth of credit from non-ULL correspondence course to maintain the minimum grade-point average and progress toward a degree needed to be eligible to play.
"An institution may not use correspondence courses taken at another school," Potuto said.
Citing NCAA privacy regulations, Potuto would not disclose the player's name.
Potuto said the problem with the conditioning program began when the then-conditioning coach made written reports about which players were attending and football coaches occasionally observed the workouts and tracked attendance.
"Those observations can switch a voluntary activity to a non-voluntary activity," Potuto said.
University officials, who appeared before the infractions committee in February, proposed wiping out the basketball records and forfeiting the conference basketball revenue, Potuto said.
In addition, the committee ordered the university to provide NCAA rules training for admission, financial aid, compliance and registration.
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SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS
This makes me so sick and angry. Steve Spurrier can be quoted in the newpaper discussing his team's attendance at "voluntary" spring workouts, and nothing. Ohio St. get penalties overturned. And we get stomped on. I wouldn't have such a problem if the NCAA treated everyone the same. They treat all non BCS schools with such disdain, its not just us. I just feel so frustrated because I love this university and I want the best for it, and I know we deserve better.
This also brings up another point, in reading that article in the advertiser (read:bull$%^) I noticed comments which remind me of the attitudes of many in this community. They have this negative, "oh what next" attitude about UL. They know nothing of pride and loyalty in their community. If you live in the Lafayette area, there is no reason not to take your family to a few cajuns games in every sport, they are fun. They say "I want to support a winner" I say support your people and they will be winners. Look at the softball and baseball and women's basketball teams, they are all winners. I have my problems with the administration of this university, but no other university any where can touch our spirit, character, hospitality and culture. And by the way we also have some well respected academic programs. Sorry I was long winded, I hope I made sense.
I know Jay reported on his show when they first had the meetings that we proposed forfeiting all games played by Greene, paying back a portion of the money earned from the NCAA Tourney berths (I think $20,000?), some reduced practice hours for the football team, and one or two years of probation. As he said it, that would be the minimum that we would be punished with since we proposed it, and that he thought it was a pretty thorough punishment. However, we've been hit with all of that plus the loss of one basketball scholarship in 2008 and 2009. I was fine with our proposed punishment, but I was pretty PO'ed this afternoon when I heard we'd been docked a scholarship as well. Of course, I'm drawing all this from memory so it's far from the gospel, but it's pretty close.
What does the "2 Years of Probation" mean? Can we participate in postseason activity? :???:
So wait!Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Chronicle
The football team is not being punished for a REAL violations but is being punished because the actions of a trainer COULD have turned into violations.
That is sad.
Your memory is pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockMeaux
The sanctions we've been hit with is normal for the use of an ineligible player. Some are saying we hit ourselves too hard. Wrong. We were going to get all that anyway, and we knew it. We were really hoping to get away with not losing a scholarship, but weren't surprised that they included it.
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Originally Posted by Turbine
If she had to issue a disclaimer on what the NCAA committee came up with vs what UL came up with, she thought it was overkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonChronicle
Talk about an overblown panic move, OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO ACCEPT.
Describe normal when the rule was ambiguous at best, conflicting at least, and post violation in clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdofParadise
So let them decide. You/We have no idea what punishment ideas we planted in their head.Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdofParadise
jmo
Couldn't we put ourselves on probation retroactively? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdofParadise
O.G. has been gone for two seasons and this past season has felt probationary.
/kidding.
//glad this is over
///looking for better times ahead.
According to what Scott Prather said this afternoon, there is no postseason ban, it's just a period in which - if we commit further violations - the NCAA can look into SERIOUSLY punishing us...talking Death Penalty-type stuff. Hey, who wants to be the first school to get a program taken away twice? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CajunCherokee
Big mistake. Had we gone into it with "your rule sucks, we don't think we deserve these penalties," we'd have been hit harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbine
It is hard to forget about when the next time the Cajuns are in the NCAAs they media will not include those two appearances in talking about Cajuns' basketball. It is also difficult to think that the banners will be coming down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid
Clearly, the NCAA wanted to set an example re this minor inadvertant infraction, as long as it was not a major BCS program. I can guarantee you that if the Gators had this same infraction last year, the NCAA would not even consider taking away the two nati championships. Same goes for LSU re their final four appearance last year. Same goes for any major program.
While the program is in such a bad state, the recent success is very important to fall back on. I would rather have post season ban for the next two years than lose the championships and NCAA appearances already earned. The likelihood of this current team going to the NCAAs or NIT is remote anyways, but even if they were the favorite in sunbelt this year, I would rather not lose the already earned championships and wins.
Quite honestly their rule does suck. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the NCAA committee have to get a group together to explain this eligibility rule to them? If so this should have been taken into consideration at some point right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdofParadise
The committee was formed to discern the difference between a distance learning course and a correspondence course.Quote:
Originally Posted by derf
Although the difference is ambiguous, the bottom line is our former compliance director should have made a phone call. She didn't.
Had she made the phone call and not gotten a definitive answer, then the ambiguity of the rule(s) really comes into play.
Bottom line is........you CAN'T win with the NCAA infractions committee. That's why it's best to play along with them. If they think you're screwing with them, they screw you worse and there's nothing you can do about it.