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Non-returning baseball players
Some are leaving for more playing time elsewhere, some because the Cajuns needed to open roster spots. Robichaux said he's working with all to find them homes elsewhere, some at junior colleges or in NAIA programs.
"We had to sit down and make some tough decisions as a coaching staff to try to better next year," said Robichaux, whose 23-30 Cajuns failed to qualify for the eight-team Sun Belt tournament, "and a lot of where we need to improve is at the plate.
"We felt we needed to bring in some more hitters, so it's just one of those things."
Include the drafted Harrison, and that's 17 in all who won't be back.
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UL baseball coach Tony Robichaux already lost to the pros one pitcher he would love to have had next season, a lefty, would-be senior Jordan Harrison.
Another could be right behind.
The Kansas City Royals selected Ragin' Cajuns signee Ashton Goudeau, a righty, last Wednesday in the 27th round of the MLB First-Year Player Draft.
Robichaux really was hoping he would eschew going pro, and come to UL.
But indicators out of Missouri, where he pitched at both Metropolitan Community College-Maple Woods in Kansas City and at Union High, are that Goudeau could be a no-go for the Cajuns.
The Missourian newspaper has cited unidentified "local sources" in reporting that "Goudeau likely will sign with the Royals, passing up a scholarship offer from the University of Louisiana-Lafayette."
Goudeau was 5-5 with a 2.17 ERA for Maple Woods this spring.
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Robichaux has identified seven more players from this past season's team not returning for 2013.
Four are reserve position players: Dominick Francia, a sophomore outfielder from Mobile, Ala.; Nick Jones, a junior outfielder from Slidell-Salmen High via Baton Rouge Community College; OF/3B James Peterson, a freshman from Amite-Oak Forest Academy; and freshman second baseman Thomas Simoneaux of Ruston High, the son of Louisiana Tech head coach Wade Simoneaux, who was a UL assistant on the 2002 College World Series team.
Three more are pitchers: Derek Howell, a junior from Krum, Texas, via Seminole State College; Henri Faucheux, a freshman from Reserve-Rivderside Academy; and Kyle Neely, a freshman from Merryville High.
Some are leaving for more playing time elsewhere, some because the Cajuns needed to open roster spots. Robichaux said he's working with all to find them homes elsewhere, some at junior colleges or in NAIA programs.
"We had to sit down and make some tough decisions as a coaching staff to try to better next year," said Robichaux, whose 23-30 Cajuns failed to qualify for the eight-team Sun Belt tournament, "and a lot of where we need to improve is at the plate.
"We felt we needed to bring in some more hitters, so it's just one of those things."
Francia -- who will probably transfer to an NAIA school -- played the most of the aforementioned seven, hitting .271 while appearing in 21 games and starting 12 during a season interrupted by an appendectomy.
Howell was a regular out of the UL bullpen, making 15 appearances -- including two starts -- while posting a 5.00 ERA in 36 innings.
None of the other five appeared in more than 15 games.
Robichaux previously said two others with eligibility wouldn't be returning -- designated hitter Tyler Frederick, who is foregoing his would-be fifth-year senior season, and backup catcher Adam Todd.
UL also lost seven seniors: starting catcher Chris Sinclair, starting CF Brian Bowman, starting SS Jordan Bourque, starting LF Daniel Nichols, No. 1 pitcher Jordan Nicholson, and pitchers Joe Zimmermann and Ethan Hebert.
Include the drafted Harrison, and that's 17 in all who won't be back.
Sun Belt picks
Besides Harrison, 13 other Sun Belt players were drafted -- including seven other pitchers.
The San Francisco Giants selected the most from the conference, five.
Arkansas State, Florida Atlantic, FIU and UL Monroe topped the school list with three each.
The other 13 (with round number followed by team; all pitchers and seniors unless otherwise noted): FAU junior R.J. Alvarez (third round, Angels), ASU's Jacob Lee (ninth, Indians); ASU junior centerfielder Michael Faulkner (12th, Mariners); ULM shortstop Jeremy Sy (12th, Giants); FIU junior right fielder Jabari Henry (18th, Mariners); Middle Tennessee junior Hunter Adkins (18th, Brewers); FAU junior 3B Kyle Newton (19th, Rockies); ULM junior Randy Zeiglar (19th, Giants); FIU's Mason McVay (26th, Giants); ULM 1Bn Joey Rapp (28th, Giants); ASU's Brandon Farley (33rd, Giants); FAU's Ryan Garton (34th, Rays); and FIU 1B Mike Martinez (36th, Astros).
-- Tim Buckley
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I would love to read this article. If someone can make it available. When you click the link it goes to The Advertiser and says " no longer available" OR at least a list of the 17 that won't be back. Thanks in advance, Thomas
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Yeah that's a little aggravating. I have a subscription, so I can read their online stuff, but they take it down now.
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Of the 17 on th list, the seniors were included. That was 7 (Bourque, Bowman, Ethan Hebert, Nicholls, Nicholson, Sinclair, Zimmerman.)
Jordan Harrison to the draft.
T-Fred and Adam Todd
Francia, Nick Jones, Thomas Simoneaux, James Peterson
Then the pitchers, I am not 100% sure of all of them. But I do remember, Faucheaux, Neely, Derek Howell. I don't remember if Colton Daigle was on the list....and I don't recall if he was previewed in Jay's blog either.
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Yeah that's a little aggravating. I have a subscription, so I can read their online stuff, but they take it down now.
Try this one.
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...nclick_check=1
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Good find. Thanks
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Thank-you! I understand what he is doing! I thought Francia would be great next year, though! I guess he started looking earlier than this for replacements, because I would think the possibles would be well picked over by now. Please explain how I am wrong, if I am wrong. Looks to me like he was replacing before giving the marching orders. Contrary to some who post here I believe if you recruit them they are yours til they walk away or graduate. Damn the record. They are not Pawns, they are students. Thomas
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I might be wrong, but it appears that a 4 year scholly commitment is less the case in baseball than the other team sports. And that applies to more schools than not.
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I really liked Francia. That's disappointing.
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I believe if you recruit them they are yours til they walk away or graduate. Damn the record. They are not Pawns, they are students. Thomas
That is a really good debating point. I see the loyalty angle to the kids part, but D1 athletics is cut-throat. I have mixed feelings about it.
We have all heard Tony's schpill about coddled players growing up in select ball with guaranteed AB's and innings. If they are guaranteed to be on the team, what incentive is there to work harder? I don't know that any player is guaranteed a roster spot for four years. Maybe some former players can chime in? Cutting players that are not producing also lights a fire under the _____ of the kids still on the team. I think Coach is backed into a corner and really doing what he has to do to make this a better team. Ugly? Yep! But we all want a regional caliber team.
Francia was the only one of those kids that I was dissapointed about.... But after all, I don't think he ever got a single hit in conference play.
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Well how about what Tony tells the kids when he does recruit them and while they are playing-----Not a quote but---My job is to go out and recruit guys that can come in and challenge you for your position---When I first heard this I kinda went wow---then I thought about it and it is what all recruiters do in all lines of work across the capitalistic world ---and if it makes you win and if you keep your job you have done the right thing for you and your family!!!
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ImperialCajun
Thank-you! I understand what he is doing! I thought Francia would be great next year, though! I guess he started looking earlier than this for replacements, because I would think the possibles would be well picked over by now. Please explain how I am wrong, if I am wrong. Looks to me like he was replacing before giving the marching orders. Contrary to some who post here I believe if you recruit them they are yours til they walk away or graduate. Damn the record. They are not Pawns, they are students. Thomas
Never was a four year deal always a year to year. Implicit was you work hard and get your grades you keep the scholly, but things have changed. In addition players seem to have no problem saying see ya gotta go the contract for a junior is probably going to be better than a senior, so why risk it.
Is the school a pawn? These days the student athlete decides to leave for the pros, and other schools. Looks like a coach can hardly win. Damned for keeping weak players, damned for giving them oportunities at another school.
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I might be wrong, but it appears that a 4 year scholly commitment is less the case in baseball than the other team sports. And that applies to more schools than not.
I think it was more of a commitment before the NCAA reduced roster sizes and made red-shirts inclusive with your 35 man roster.
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There is no such thing as a four year scholarship.
You see coaches make purges of their rosters all the time, in all sports. There was an article the other day about a half dozen football players who aren't returning.
If players don't have to commit to stay, coaches shouldn't have to commit to keeping players who don't pan out. Recruiting mistakes are make all the time.
Some of these guys mentioned, by the way, were not on scholarship.
There's also a chance you may see some of these guys returning. Faucheux is a good example. He probably wasn't going to get a lot of innings next year so he's off to JUCO where he'll get to pitch more. Good chance he returns after that. Same could hold true with Neely.
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Francia was the one looking to leave before the season ended. So if Tony got wind of him thinking about leaving maybe he helped. Not sure but I do know Francia was looking to leave.
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Francia was the one looking to leave before the season ended. So if Tony got wind of him thinking about leaving maybe he helped. Not sure but I do know Francia was looking to leave.
Yep...and if YOU knew of him considering leaving, you KNOW some of his fellow players knew of it also. Not good for team morale.
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Yep...and if YOU knew of him considering leaving, you KNOW some of his fellow players knew of it also. Not good for team morale.
This is how the insidious "Me Too" syndrome starts, the coach is always the last to know and usually finds out when the disease is full blown.
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Several years ago, I was really involved with track and field. Being good friends with Coaches Lancon and Badon, I was the President of the officials association for a while. I remember having a discussion with Coach Lancon about several athletes I felt were no longer committed to the program and that they may have needed to be shown the door. He was old school (and nice as hell) and felt the need to maintain their schollys no matter what. And his program suffered a couple of years because of it.
Just can't have a situation where players aren't putting forth the effort...and get to hang around just because.
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Baseball is also totally different when it comes to scholarships, most of these kids probably weren't on one in the first place and the ones that were probably had books. It's not like your ripping a kids chance at an education away from him.
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Only issue I see that could be a concern is APR, which impacts baseball as well.
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If I am not mistaken, all 35 roster players must receive at least a 1/4 scholly.
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If I am not mistaken, all 35 roster players must receive at least a 1/4 scholly.
Nope, the rule states that if a players is given a scholarship, it must be at least 1/4. No more just paying for books.
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If I'm not mistaken, its actually 28 players who must receive at least 1/4 scholarship.
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Yeah, the rule prevents the coach from giving everyone a partial scholarship. As Tony has mentioned before, coaches would like that to go away. Its a stigma on those players that dont get one, when in many cases they're just as important as guys that are on scholarship.
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Between the new bat and the roster rules, college baseball has changed.......
