Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
NicholsonVoice
Dude - how much did you have to drink at the Dome? I don't think you were watching the same game as everyone else in attendance.
I think you know a bit about football ..... but no offense, you need to stop pretending you know anything about basketball and just go cheer for whoever the best NBA team or NCAA champion is and be a bandwagoner.
The Cajuns ran a weave type rotation at the top, with 2 rotating post players. After a few cycles, they would pull a post out to screen and roll, then rotate the weak side players - where believe it or not the correct pass for the PG is to reverse the ball to the opposite side - or drive.
Not true that every single time it was a turnover - as it lead to a Brown 3 pointer and a few FT attempts by Coleby and McClellan.
Point being - just stick to football - not questioning character - just your basketball IQ.
Ding, ding, ding!
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
MelRock
At some point arguing with him is like wrestling with a pig in the mud. Sooner or later you figure out the pig likes the mud!
Why anyone takes him serious, i'll never understand.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Parrott
First, everything I've observed is that Payton is right-handed but is able to dribble with both hands. Point guards have to be able to use both hands. I know I did while playing competitively and still do today.
Second, how could the team shoot 12 percent lower at the free throw line this season? Let's get the numbers straight first. The Cajuns shot 42.8 percent from the floor, 32.8 percent from 3 and 63.1 percent on free throws this season - down from 43.6 percent overall, 34.7 percent from 3 and 66.4 percent at the line last season. Not sure where you're finding a 12 percent difference there.
The Cajuns lost several players from last season and added eight newcomers (six played, one was a transfer, one was lost due to injury). Among those gone from last season: Travis Bureau (team-high 41 percent shooting from 3), Randell Daigle (team-high 44s 3 made, 80.5 percent shooting on free throws), La'Ryan Gary (led team with 77 free throws made on team-high 101 attempts).
Some of the returning players and newcomers did not pick up the slack. David Perez's poor shooting percentages stayed the same (32.7 percent overall and 31.9 percent from 3 last season to 32.7 percent overall and 31.6 percent from 3 this season). Elfrid Payton shot 56.4 percent on free throws. J.J. Thomas' overall shooting percentage dipped drastically. Alan-Michael Thompson shot 33.6 percent overall and 31.6 percent from 3.
Root cause for the continued shooting woes: The Cajuns didn't have enough quality shooters from the floor and at the line. Most people seem to understand that fact. And it's going to be an issue next season unless they add a bunch of capable shooters in the offseason.
On another note, I'd say a person who has watched only two games this season and criticizes a coach who has won nearly 400 collegiate games for how his offense rotates is rather clueless. I guarantee any Division I coach - heck, high school coach - worth his salt could see that and would laugh at him for actually thinking it's a reasonable observation.
If you're so confident in your observation, why not share it in person with coach Marlin? If it's at all reasonable I'm sure he would appreciate it. Or perhaps you'd rather continue to gripe as a know-it-all poster on a message board?
If you'd like to continue this back-and-forth, I'm sure Turbine and the rest of the board would appreciate doing so by PM. Thanks.
I appreciate you straightening me up on the numbers Parrot. I was misguided thinking their FT per centage last year was around 72.?%. I thought I had seen that number as their team FT per centage. I also thought I had seen their FT this year was around 61% much closer to the number I thought I had seen. As for the rest of your thoughts, I hate to hurt your feelings, but you don't have to be an NFL football coach to know that if a RB is running to his right & carries the ball in his left arm, his odds of turning the ball over increase tremendously. Vice versa, if a RB is running to his left & carries the ball in his right arm he is asking for trouble by exposing the football to the defense. I have never played RB in the NFL or coached in the NFL, but I don't think you could find a running back coach at any level who would disagree with this observation. On the other hand, knowing the way you guys think, you'd find one somewhere who'd say I have no idea what I'm talking about. My other observations are based on factual occurances, not hearsay, & if you weren't there, with all due respect you can run your suck as much as you want to trying to defend "stupidity?", but I'll still stand by my observations. Now I have enjoyed your previous writing & have stated so several times, but you sound way too close to this thing emotionally to be able to make an objective call on what is going on at the present time.
If you have further to say as to your greater understanding than mine, then maybe you clue the unwashed bandwagon fans in on how long it will take for this team to make the turn past 500. How much patience should the average bandwagoner show financially while waiting for this thing to get above water on a consistent basis? For example, When should a twenty win season appear on the horizon? Or a win in the conference tournament? I know this is a BIG step to hope for, but if it's all going the right way, shouldn't we be seeing some kind of PROOF some time in the next 3 or 4 years?
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I appreciate you straightening me up on the numbers Parrot. I was misguided thinking their FT per centage last year was around 72.?%. I thought I had seen that number as their team FT per centage. I also thought I had seen their FT this year was around 61% much closer to the number I thought I had seen. As for the rest of your thoughts, I hate to hurt your feelings, but you don't have to be an NFL football coach to know that if a RB is running to his right & carries the ball in his left arm, his odds of turning the ball over increase tremendously. Vice versa, if a RB is running to his left & carries the ball in his right arm he is asking for trouble by exposing the football to the defense. I have never played RB in the NFL or coached in the NFL, but I don't think you could find a running back coach at any level who would disagree with this observation. On the other hand, knowing the way you guys think, you'd find one somewhere who'd say I have no idea what I'm talking about. My other observations are based on factual occurances, not hearsay, & if you weren't there, with all due respect you can run your suck as much as you want to trying to defend "stupidity?", but I'll still stand by my observations. Now I have enjoyed your previous writing & have stated so several times, but you sound way too close to this thing emotionally to be able to make an objective call on what is going on at the present time.
If you have further to say as to your greater understanding than mine, then maybe you clue the unwashed bandwagon fans in on how long it will take for this team to make the turn past 500. How much patience should the average bandwagoner show financially while waiting for this thing to get above water on a consistent basis? For example, When should a twenty win season appear on the horizon? Or a win in the conference tournament? I know this is a BIG step to hope for, but if it's all going the right way, shouldn't we be seeing some kind of PROOF some time in the next 3 or 4 years?
Kyle, you're not hurting my feelings. Never have and never will. Mostly because it's obvious that you lack common knowledge about the game of basketball. Some of your suggestions/observations concerning Elfrid Payton prove that.
As usual, you're grasping at straws in saying I'm "too close to this thing emotionally to be able to make an objective call." You're a typical know-it-all, armchair quarterback who actually thinks he knows more about sports than everyone else, including men who have decades of experience on the sideline and are paid good money to coach the game. It's one thing to recognize and point out a running back is holding the ball in the wrong hand. It's totally different to question whether a right-handed player is really right-handed and question a coach for not knowing something that may not even be true. I'm trying to bring some sanity to this situation.
To answer your questions: Marlin took over a program that had fallen badly under coach Lee. He is a respected coach when it comes to Xs and Os and has already made some strides to rebuild the program. In his first year the Cajuns had a sub-.500 record after losing the conference player of the year but closed the regular season with an 11-game winning streak and won a share of the Sun Belt's West Division title. The Cajuns lost three straight to close his second season but earned the program's first postseason trip since 2005. There's still plenty of work to be done, but wouldn't you say those are at least steps in the right direction? The Cajuns would have finished with their first winning season since 2005 but accepted a spot in the CIT and lost in the first round.
Again, anyone with a clue when it comes to college basketball knows what Marlin has done in the past. He's won a junior college national championship. He built Sam Houston State from nothing into a consistent winner in the Southland Conference. And he's won nearly 400 collegiate games. He has a track record, and that should be a reason for people to give him more than two years to turn around a struggling program.
The next few weeks are huge because the Cajuns have to improve in several areas, particularly perimeter shooting. If those recruiting needs are met, I believe a 20-win season is possible next season, but you're going to see potentially a half-dozen newcomers so the Cajuns will have to develop chemistry quickly in the non-conference schedule. If those needs aren't met or the team doesn't bond, it's going to be tough to win 20 next season.
And now I'm done running my "suck." Hope you are, too, but I doubt it.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I saw somethg in the game last night that was easy for me to spot. I haven't heard anyone else bring it up, but it is having a huge effect on the Cajuns offense. I believe it is causing them not to be able to make good shots & I know it's causing a ton of their TOs. This isn't Peyton's fault, but it's making him & the rest of the team look bad.
Peyton appears to me to be a south paw. Yet Marlin has the offense rotating in a couterclock wise fashion. This is giving the trailers on defense inside out leverage on the guys he is attempting to get the ball to in the majority of their half court sets. This was the direct cause of at least half their TOs last night. I also believe it is a root cause for why none of these guys can make a set up jumper off a pass with any consistency. So to say that Peyton & anyone else will be successful in this scheme as this offense is at the present won't happen. It can be remedied, but the half court rotation they are using now will not work. If I can see it I guarantee any D-1 coach worth his salt can see it & attack it.
The..."I saw something no one else did" thing was so funny, I had to go back and read it again. Some things just get better with time.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I'm sitting here watching ND play Xavier & ND obviously has a left handed point guard. He has successfully matriculated the ball down the court for several possessions & the first TO he had was attempting to throw a pass to his right with his left hand. He had just gone to his right the time before, but the offensive rotation was switched from right to left back to left to right with the players immediately recognizing his adjustment & adjusting their offense accordingly.
This one is another gem. Just too funny.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
charliek
I'm not sure why you get so upset when someone disagrees with you. Are you that insecure?........
Chill out with the personal attacks.
I don't know Bandwagon but I'm willing to bet he is a good guy. I think he has created such a character from the radio shows that he feels the need he HAS to be that same character on here. Kind of like Texas Mike, he will never be able to call in and have a normal conversation.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
duggie85
I don't know Bandwagon but I'm willing to bet he is a good guy. I think he has created such a character from the radio shows that he feels the need he HAS to be that same character on here. Kind of like Texas Mike, he will never be able to call in and have a normal conversation.
No its real
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
Bandwagon does not realize how badly he belittles people on this board and in conversation.
Then when the people who get belittled by him fight back he gets his panties all wadded up.
Its pathetic.
Its ok to have an opinion thats different then everyone else. Thats not the problem
But quit acting like your OPINION is fact. And if anyone disagrees with your OPINION they are idiots.
If you want to think EP is left handed and this is the problem with the Cajuns basketball team that fine.
But when people disagree with your opinion that he's lefthanded and thats not the problem with the basketball team then you get in a rage. Belittling Parrot as not know nothing, belittling the guy who owns the tool shop saying he cant make a good tool.
It goes on and on.
If people do not agree with BWK they are idiots.
Its very childish.
If you would have just said I think the problem may be EP is lefthanded and left it at that nobody would have had a problem.
Maybe they would have disagreed but not had a problem.
But no you have to make everything personal and life and death.
And dont get mad when someone proves you wrong on something.
If you want people to worship your ___ when you get something right.
You better be prepared to take flack when you get something wrong.
Of course you are right and the entire rest of the world and this forum is wrong.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I mean whether guys are righties or lefties has no bearing on anything in sports. I mean it's plain gibberish to think it could.
Pitching? Batting? You're dead wrong. You were also wrong about Blaine. He and the receiving corps tightened up after getting massive reps together. Blaine settled down and the WRs got used to his ball, just as many pointed out was necessary. To add to that, it makes a difference when a QB is a righty or lefty as to his roll out and throw side. Some guys can't even complete a pass rolling from the opposite side. If you played ball growing up, were you a "skill player" by any chance? You act like you know everything about throwing and shooting. I just have to ask... are you a great ball thrower? Baseball or football? Are you a great batter?
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
If we are still discussing your observation, I thought you were talking about turnovers.
Free throw and overall shooting cost UL the game, not turnovers. The ball rotation UL had created open looks, they just couldn't knock them down.
I think UL was below their seasonaverage on turnovers, i'll have to check when I get in front of a pc.
Yes it was only the 4th time all season the cajuns had less turnovers then there opponent.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I'm sorry guys. Clearly you are correct & I'm a total buffoon. So what time do we play next week? I had the hallucination we lost, but you have now made me realize we won & I' m just too thick in the skull tI have seen it.
Obviously the Rice players & coaches saw it, because there was a stretch in the second half that until that point In the game, even with our poor perimeter shooting, it was still anyone's game, as in a two point contest. Then came a stretch with double digit TOs by our guys & a physically inferior BB team pulled out to a double digit lead. UL was clearly in the game until that point & clearly out of the game once that stretch occurred. But thanks to you guys, I now know that's definitely NOT what happened.
Disagree with Kyle= Losing basketball game the other night
Agree with Kyle= Winning sunbelt conference and going to NCAA tourney
What in the hell does winning or losing a basketball game the other night have to do with agreeing or disagreeing with whats wrong with the basketball team.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I'm sorry guys. Clearly you are correct & I'm a total buffoon. So what time do we play next week? I had the hallucination we lost, but you have now made me realize we won & I' m just too thick in the skull tI have seen it.
Finally, you and I agree on something. Unfortunately, it's the bolded statement above. Ironic that you made it yourself.
The Cajuns going 13-of-28 on free throws was the difference in a five-point loss. That has been an issue all season, as well as perimeter shooting. Rice actually had more turnovers (19) than the Cajuns (15).
But I don't expect someone who is delusional enough to think people listen to local radio shows just to hear observations only he sees in person or on his big-screen TV to understand that.
Asking how many games I attended this year is your way of deflecting the fact you've lost this discussion. I watched numerous games online, listened to many others on the radio and attended multiple practices before moving out of town.
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I'm pretty sure you haven't gone to a single game all season. Hi Pot. Meet Kettle.
Leave it to you to accuse me of not going to any games this season when in fact I went to 3 games this year and watched another 4 or 5 games on tv/internet.
As a matter of fact it's funny you accuse me of not going to any games this year when I went to one of those games with YOU.
You accuse me of not going to any games this year when in fact half the games you went to this year you went with ME.
It dont get no better then that.
Someone accusing me of not going to any games actually went to a game with ME this season and I drove you to the game in my truck. LOL
Anyway this conversation has nothing to do with how many games who went to.
I never said anything about how many games you went to.
I dont care if you went to none or if you went to all of them.
I really dont care what you think about any subject.
Everyone has the right to think what they want to think.
I really dont care when you disagree with me or anyone else.
The only thing I have a problem with is when you put your opinion way above everyone else's opinion as if it's gospel and put everyone else who thinks different then your opinions down like they are some type of idiot.
If you want to think the Cajuns problems is because a right handed point guard is lefthanded fine. I have no problems with that as long as you dont come down on everyone that does not agree with your opinion.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
I'm sorry guys. Clearly you are correct & I'm a total buffoon. So what time do we play next week? I had the hallucination we lost, but you have now made me realize we won & I' m just too thick in the skull tI have seen it.
Obviously the Rice players & coaches saw it, because there was a stretch in the second half that until that point In the game, even with our poor perimeter shooting, it was still anyone's game, as in a two point contest. Then came a stretch with double digit TOs by our guys & a physically inferior BB team pulled out to a double digit lead. UL was clearly in the game until that point & clearly out of the game once that stretch occurred. But thanks to you guys, I now know that's definitely NOT what happened.
You just crack me up.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
Bandwagon King
Since you're the guy with stats in hand, how many of our TOs came in the second half & what was the difference in our FG & Ft % by half since we lost the game in the 2nd half by my misguided recollection.
The Cajuns had eight turnovers in the first half and seven in the second half.
The Cajuns shot 46.7% (14-of-30) overall in the first half and 28.6% (8-of-28) in the second half.
The Cajuns shot 16.7% (1-of-6) on free throws in the first half and 54.5% (12-of-22) in the second half.
It's simple, really. The Cajuns missed 15 free throws, leaving 15 points on the floor - in a five-point loss.
If you want to go deeper, the Cajuns went 5:09 without scoring after Josh Brown's 3 gave them a 54-51 lead with 6:21 left. Rice responded with a 12-0 run. The Cajuns had only one turnover during that stretch but had four missed free throws.
Based on those facts, turnovers were not the deciding factor in the loss. Not that I expect that to stop you from changing the subject again in an attempt to win some sort of argument.
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Originally Posted by
Chop
Leave it to you to accuse me of not going to any games this season when in fact I went to 3 games this year and watched another 4 or 5 games on tv/internet.
As a matter of fact it's funny you accuse me of not going to any games this year when I went to one of those games with YOU.
You accuse me of not going to any games this year when in fact half the games you went to this year you went with ME.
It dont get no better then that.
Someone accusing me of not going to any games actually went to a game with ME this season and I drove you to the game in my truck. LOL
Anyway this conversation has nothing to do with how many games who went to.
I never said anything about how many games you went to.
I dont care if you went to none or if you went to all of them.
I really dont care what you think about any subject.
Everyone has the right to think what they want to think.
I really dont care when you disagree with me or anyone else.
The only thing I have a problem with is when you put your opinion way above everyone else's opinion as if it's gospel and put everyone else who thinks different then your opinions down like they are some type of idiot.
If you want to think the Cajuns problems is because a right handed point guard is lefthanded fine. I have no problems with that as long as you dont come down on everyone that does not agree with your opinion.
Bandwagoneer... I think your inner circle just shrank by one.
Re: Ragin' Cajuns head to CIT in Post Season Basketball
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Originally Posted by
CajunRed
Bandwagoneer... I think your inner circle just shrank by one.
No I dont hate BWK
BWK is a double edge sword.
Sometimes I love his passion, and sometimes I hate it.
We have gotten into some real knockdown drag outs over the years.
It always passes.
He just needs to realize its ok to have strong opinions as long as he allows other people to have strong opinions to.
And quit taking not agreeing with him personally.
He thinks that if you disagree with him you are making some sort of personal attack.
Just not the case.
