Final: Louisiana, 78, McNeese 70

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Originally Posted by ULvictory

Everything you said is correct. My point is that it shouldn't just be great that we beat McNeese, it should be expected. We still almost triple their budget and resources all across the board. This isn't 1975 anymore. They are no longer our peers.

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Mismanagement of one’s resources can put you with company you’d rather not keep in a hurry, and mismanaging resources is like breathing to UL. I can agree with you on the should be of this. What I’m seeing with my own two eyes in reality though is not the level of “separation” that should be. You’d have a real hard time taking someone who knew nothing of either to school to a UL football & basketball game this year, doing the same at McNeese, and subsequently convincing them that these aren’t peer institutions.

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Originally Posted by ULvictory

Everything you said is correct. My point is that it shouldn't just be great that we beat McNeese, it should be expected. We still almost triple their budget and resources all across the board. This isn't 1975 anymore. They are no longer our peers.

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THIS^^^^. A thousand times on a thousand fronts.

The only two things we have in common with McNeese is 1) an easy 75 mile drive and 2) their main fan base is aging out too. And they compete in the stick sports...sometimes. And that is it.

We are now a R1 university. They are not seen as a peer nationally. Old saying, they can't hold our jock. Period.

In the eyes of our state legislature, academically, they are a regional university...we are not. We are not peers on the same level. They legally (they love that word) quit being a peer university in 1984, and they can thank their own Cliff Newman for that. I won't besmerch the dead, bless his soul.

But people like Zem (who supposedly quit blogging), Merchant the PA guy, their FB fan page admin and others are stuck in the 70's. Yeah they have a nice HPE building. Seats 3,800 for BB. Had a $5 special tonight. Still over half empty. And what was with the few students they had right behind the cheerleaders on our offensive end the second half? It's all truly Mickey Mouse.

Their FB fan page admin was calling for the fans to boo if they heard "Louisiana" tonight. Of course, that thread is gone after a few of their own called this out for being small time. And it was guys that have posted there for years.

That's what we have gentlemen. Treat them like any other speed bump in the road...have to respect it, but still run it over.

Meantime, we need our admin to get their "A" game going. And no, I don't mean Doc A.

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

THIS^^^^. A thousand times on a thousand fronts.

The only two things we have in common with McNeese is 1) an easy 75 mile drive and 2) their main fan base is aging out too. And they compete in the stick sports...sometimes. And that is it.

We are now a R1 university. They are not seen as a peer nationally. Old saying, they can't hold our jock. Period.

In the eyes of our state legislature, academically, they are a regional university...we are not. We are not peers on the same level. They legally (they love that word) quit being a peer university in 1984, and they can thank their own Cliff Newman for that. I won't besmerch the dead, bless his soul.

But people like Zem (who supposedly quit blogging), Merchant the PA guy, their FB fan page admin and others are stuck in the 70's. Yeah they have a nice HPE building. Seats under 4k. Had a $5 special tonight. Still over half empty. And what was with the few students they had right behind the cheerleaders on our offensive end the second half? It's all truly Mickey Mouse.

Their FB admin was calling for the fans to boo if they heard "Louisiana" tonight. Of course, that thread is gone after a few of their own called this out for being small time. And it was guys that have posted there for years.

That's what we have gentlemen. Treat them like any other speed bump in the road...have to respect it, but still run it over.

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Our 4-4 FBS team playing the best team in our division with $10 tickets drew 7,888 fans. A week earlier McNeese put 8,068 in their stadium to see their 1-6 Cowboys. The day of our 7,888 we outsold 1-7 “little brother” by a whopping 350 tickets.

Who cares if their venue only seats 4K? How many times in the last few years would we really have needed more seats than that? As for their students and the crowd tonight, they were 3-7 coming in, and their semester is over just like ours. Did you notice our last couple crowds and student crowds? All the status and resources in the world won’t get us far with the way we operate.

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Originally Posted by zeppelincajun

Our 4-4 FBS team playing the best team in our division with $10 tickets drew 7,888 fans. A week earlier McNeese put 8,068 in their stadium to see their 1-6 Cowboys. The day of our 7,888 we outsold 1-7 “little brother” by a whopping 350 tickets.

Who cares if their venue only seats 4K? How many times in the last few years would we really have needed more seats than that? As for their students and the crowd tonight, they were 3-7 coming in, and their semester is over just like ours. Did you notice our last couple crowds and student crowds? All the status and resources in the world won’t get us far with the way we operate.

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Agree...I was adding this line when you copied. We are on the same page.

"Meantime, we need our admin to get their "A" game going. And no, I don't mean Doc A".

Former Northside and UL assistant Rick LeBato sat next to me. He said McNeese played as well as they are capable of tonight. They got to the basket with aggressive drives, garnered more offensive rebounds than we, amd had less turnovers than we did. They also played with great energy until the last 30 seconds when outcome was decided. Despite all that the great overall play of Greg Williams Jr. And big free throws by Jordan Brown allowed cajuns to pull it out. By the way, Jordan’s parents were at the game. They are in the area to attend his graduation tomorrow. Dion Brown, Jordan’s dad, was one of the great Cajun rebounders in his day

Ten and one is FUN.

So I have played and coached basketball for a long time, including a short stint in AAU ball. But there is a rule, I just don't understand. The new flopping rule, I get and it should have been instituted, but we actually got penalized for them flopping. What I mean by that is this, we had the ball under the basket, about to make a layup or McNeese commit a foul, instead the kid flops and they call a Technical on McNeese, okay so far so good, but here is where it gets totally f'd up. We get 1 Technical FT and they get the ball. We had a chance at at least 2 points if not 3 and instead we get 1 FT and McNeese gets the ball. How is that even remotely a fair trade. Either it should be 2 FT's or 1 FT and the ball back to us. You are actually rewarding the flopping team by giving them the ball after 1 FT.

This 5h!t is F'd up.

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Originally Posted by RaginDave

So I have played and coached basketball for a long time, including a short stint in AAU ball. But there is a rule, I just don't understand. The new flopping rule, I get and it should have been instituted, but we actually got penalized for them flopping. What I mean by that is this, we had the ball under the basket, about to make a layup or McNeese commit a foul, instead the kid flops and they call a Technical on McNeese, okay so far so good, but here is where it gets totally f'd up. We get 1 Technical FT and they get the ball. We had a chance at at least 2 points if not 3 and instead we get 1 FT and McNeese gets the ball. How is that even remotely a fair trade. Either it should be 2 FT's or 1 FT and the ball back to us. You are actually rewarding the flopping team by giving them the ball after 1 FT.

This 5h!t is F'd up.

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You're right, great analysis of that event, and accurate.

IMO, the solution is, let the other team's coach have the option to accept it or not, ie Coach Marlin would of had a choice.

I could see this happening a LOT when they realize this is quite a defensive ploy. Insert Johnie late in the game when you're down a few points, not to foul but to flop.

I hope you get the naming rights to the amendment!

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Originally Posted by RaginDave

So I have played and coached basketball for a long time, including a short stint in AAU ball. But there is a rule, I just don't understand. The new flopping rule, I get and it should have been instituted, but we actually got penalized for them flopping. What I mean by that is this, we had the ball under the basket, about to make a layup or McNeese commit a foul, instead the kid flops and they call a Technical on McNeese, okay so far so good, but here is where it gets totally f'd up. We get 1 Technical FT and they get the ball. We had a chance at at least 2 points if not 3 and instead we get 1 FT and McNeese gets the ball. How is that even remotely a fair trade. Either it should be 2 FT's or 1 FT and the ball back to us. You are actually rewarding the flopping team by giving them the ball after 1 FT.

This 5h!t is F'd up.

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Right just treat it as a blocking foul or one shot and the ball. I’m not sure what the exact rule is but I believe McNeese rebounded the ball on the shot where he flopped. Since they had possession when the flop was called they were able to retain. Pretty stupid I agree.

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Originally Posted by Million$Mullet

Right just treat it as a blocking foul or one shot and the ball. I’m not sure what the exact rule is but I believe McNeese rebounded the ball on the shot where he flopped. Since they had possession when the flop was called they were able to retain. Pretty stupid I agree.

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I'm sure RD will respond, but I remember either Fulks or maybe Williams friving to the basket, making a shift to the left in the lane, and the McNeese defender falling, clearly with no contact. Our player is going up for the layup a step after that.

Wait for Dave though, for the real story.

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Originally Posted by moorecajun

I'm sure RD will respond, but I remember either Fulks or maybe Williams friving to the basket, making a shift to the left in the lane, and the McNeese defender falling, clearly with no contact. Our player is going up for the layup a step after that.

Wait for Dave though, for the real story.

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That’s exactly what happened. What I’m saying is the reason mcneese retained possession is because the flop was called on the missed shot that they rebounded. I don’t agree with it.

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Originally Posted by JamesTheJeweler

I swear, every 3 pointer has zero arch on it.

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I'm thinking that was more the camera angle. Were televising from way up.