Candidates the Cajuns should consider for MBB coach

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Originally Posted by zephyr

_ First of all, your point was not necessarily clear to begin with. First, you pull this list of players that spans 30 years and then go on to say that this program would "win the SBC every year if you can recruit Houston and LA". However to support your argument, you are using Willis Reed as an example? Come on. This state has had some great players come out of it but to suggest that it annually produces high quality, program building talent is FALSE. Even the players currently playing in college were spread out over several years and no offense, but players like Monroe, Tasmin Mitchell, Cooper etc..were never really going to come here. Even when the cajuns were a very consistent program, we were not a target for the high tier players, especially post players who are coveted by all major BCS programs. If you have to hinge your programs on the hopes of maybe 2-3 state prospects per year, you're in trouble. I understand and agree with what C4Life was saying and I also understand your point. However, you have very few recruits that come out in the state yearly in relation to the number of universities trying to land them outside of the blue chip players who will go to larger programs anyhow. _

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Zepeneffren -

Sorry if my point was convoluted.

What I was trying to point out orginially is that LA is not a crap basketball state, in fact it is a very good state for basketball talent.....

Also, I understand the number of recruits to the number of universities argument... However, I believe as I think most of you do, as do recruits, as do people around the country that the Tiers of basketball programs is.

LSU

UL, Tech, Tulane,

Southland Schools, ULM

Therefore, we have to be successful against the top 4 schools. I also know that during our days when Marty was here, we were getting extemely talented BCS caliber recruits out of high school. Jesse's were more bounce backs, but still effective. I actually think Robert's team is talented enough to win this year, but chemistry/coaching is keeping them from that.

For the record, I DO NOT ENDORSE a roster full of only Louisian kids. Unless they are winning a championship. Then, I would ENDORSE a roster full of Betty Whites....

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Originally Posted by SlappyCajun

_ Zepeneffren -

Sorry if my point was convoluted.

What I was trying to point out orginially is that LA is not a crap basketball state, in fact it is a very good state for basketball talent.....

Also, I understand the number of recruits to the number of universities argument... However, I believe as I think most of you do, as do recruits, as do people around the country that the Tiers of basketball programs is.

LSU

UL, Tech, Tulane,

Southland Schools, ULM

Therefore, we have to be successful against the top 4 schools. I also know that during our days when Marty was here, we were getting extemely talented BCS caliber recruits out of high school. Jesse's were more bounce backs, but still effective. I actually think Robert's team is talented enough to win this year, but chemistry/coaching is keeping them from that.

For the record, I DO NOT ENDORSE a roster full of only Louisian kids. Unless they are winning a championship. Then, I would ENDORSE a roster full of Betty Whites.... _

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FlappyCajun


And once again, we would argue that it's quite possibly not the talent rich state you think it is. There is no doubt that there is some talent that comes from here but I think this state has produced more quality than quantity. That was the contention made about your post. You stated that this state currently puts out great talent and that we could win the SBC had we captured some of this talent on a yearly basis but your list dated over 30 years. Apples and Oranges my friend. The whole thing started with the Champagne argument. Personally, I'd like to see us go after someone a little more regionally recognized. I personally have no idea how good of a coach he is and I'm sure he would be an upgrade, however, I think that we could and should pursue a more highly recognized coach with name recognition to help draw higher quality talent. Isiah Thomas is a relatively unknown talent in coaching as he's never coached in college and nobody truly knows how good he can or will be but he just signed the most talented class the SBC has seen. Mike Jarvis just signed a great class and they will be a factor for years to come. They did this with name recognition and players want to play for name coaches amongst many other factors.

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Originally Posted by zephyr

_ FlappyCajun


And once again, we would argue that it's quite possibly not the talent rich state you think it is. There is no doubt that there is some talent that comes from here but I think this state has produced more quality than quantity. That was the contention made about your post. You stated that this state currently puts out great talent and that we could win the SBC had we captured some of this talent on a yearly basis but your list dated over 30 years. Apples and Oranges my friend. The whole thing started with the Champagne argument. Personally, I'd like to see us go after someone a little more regionally recognized. I personally have no idea how good of a coach he is and I'm sure he would be an upgrade, however, I think that we could and should pursue a more highly recognized coach with name recognition to help draw higher quality talent. Isiah Thomas is a relatively unknown talent in coaching as he's never coached in college and nobody truly knows how good he can or will be but he just signed the most talented class the SBC has seen. Mike Jarvis just signed a great class and they will be a factor for years to come. They did this with name recognition and players want to play for name coaches amongst many other factors. _

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Zephyr tomorrow will go a long way in determining who our next coach may be. I know there are a lot of people who want Tim Floyd to be our next coach. Well his judgment day as far as college coaching is concerned comes tomorrow as USC has their NCAA hearing for rules violations.

I have no clue if we can actually get him to come coach here, and I am not even sure if I would want him to coach here. He has won wherever he has gone, but he has also been accused of being dirty at every program too. We can not afford for that to happen here.

OK here is the USC punishment--a slap---no a light tap on the wrist---It wasn't something bad like using your girlfriend's ride!!!!-----Oh and then those expensive T-shirts!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by cajun4life

_ Zephyr tomorrow will go a long way in determining who our next coach may be. I know there are a lot of people who want Tim Floyd to be our next coach. Well his judgment day as far as college coaching is concerned comes tomorrow as USC has their NCAA hearing for rules violations.

I have no clue if we can actually get him to come coach here, and I am not even sure if I would want him to coach here. He has won wherever he has gone, but he has also been accused of being dirty at every program too. We can not afford for that to happen here. _

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I am over the Tim Floyd issue. This admin went no further with thoughts of bringing in Orgeron due to so many pending issues with recruiting violation possibilities and civil lawsuits against him and they didn't want the risk. I didn't blame them, especially with having to use so many private funding dollars to secure him. I see the same scenario playing out with Floyd. He has won wherever he has gone but I think the risk/reward ratio is WAY too high to bring him here even if things work out with the investigation. I'd rather go another route. There have been some candidates names that have flown around that I have no problem talking to and I suggest that they act quickly yet take their time with their evaluation and make the right hire.

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

_ I am thinking of basketball, track & field, soccer, volleyball and tennis as not being good. Horrible may have been an exaggeration, but not for some sports. Some are improving but have a ways to go. Softball is the one exception as it has been excellent for a long time. Baseball was excellent and is now average. Women's basketball became excellent with an NCAA birth, but has since dropped in the toilet, as has men's basketball. Men's Basketball was respectable before Lee took over. Both men's and women's basketball post Death Penalty were respectable with coaches from outside of Louisiana. Both Lee and Rogers are from Louisiana and Rogers is a UL alum. Football was horrible with a head coach from Louisiana and is now elevated to average and improving with a head coach from outside of Louisiana. Several of the assistant coaches are either UL alums or other Louisiana colleges.

I am posing a question, not forming a conclusion. Some Louisiana coaches have excelled while others have not. That is not a blanket statement, just relevant to certain sports. From Dr. S to Blanco to Walker and everyone in between, it was all UL people with little to no outside influence. And, that extended to many of our coaches and now our new President. Does UL have a disproportionate number of alumni in coaching and executive management positions relative to other universities? We have done business the same way for decades now and look where that has gotten us, at least under Dr. S. Does the possible lack of outside influence, i.e. people from BCS programs who bring new ideas and ways of operating at a higher level, hinder us at all? I am just posing the questions for discussion. Feel free to voice your opinion. _

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Fresh ideas have to be balanced with knowledge of how to get the most out of the system in place. A few more folks with knowledge of what is successful elsewhere would probably be a good idea. Note that track is making major improvements so far in the indoor season. Also, tennis has consistently been a strong program.

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Originally Posted by SlappyCajun

5) Take your star system and shove it.

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This is the best piont made in this entire arguement......