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May 29th, 2018, 01:00 pm
MetryCajun

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Originally Posted by campo118

I’ve got a fun story for you guys about “detailed” hitting coaches and how they ruin/waste hitters. Granted this is a story from high school, I still feel it holds relevance with what we’re seeing from the micromanager that is Talbot. We were always trained on hit and run to hit the ball on the ground the other way (6 hole for a lefty, 4 hole for a righty) due to the probability of that guy covering 2nd for the runner. I was pinch hitting in a game we were down by one run late in the game. Hit and run was called and I got a pitch middle in that I could handle. I wound up drilling a ball in the right center gap (I’m a lefty) for a double that scored the runner from first. I was then pinch ran for, chewed and cursed out for not hitting it oppo, and benched for the remainder of the season (also had to run punish laps) These are the sort of things micromanaging coaches do. They aren’t worried about results, and often want to take all the credit for “building a hitter in their mold” rather than coaching to the strengths of the players they have.

Thanks for sharing. I have no doubt your situation happens more often than we know. One thing I have noticed over the past 20 years is how similar everyone’s swing is now. Back when I started following college baseball in the 80’s you would see a lot of different stances, swings and approaches. Now they all look the same. I think as the money has gotten so good in coaching your are seeing more and more micro managers who are trying to move up the food chain for a big payday.
May 29th, 2018, 01:02 pm
cajunhawk

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Originally Posted by MetryCajun

Thanks for sharing. I have no doubt your situation happens more often than we know. One thing I have noticed over the past 20 years is how similar everyone's swing is now. Back when I started following college baseball in the 80's you would see a lot of different stances, swings and approaches. Now they all look the same. I think as the money has gotten so good in coaching your are seeing more and more micro managers who are trying to move up the food chain for a big payday.
May 29th, 2018, 01:15 pm
CajunJeaux

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

How many ____ing times do I have to say I don’t want him fired. With that being said, NO ONE should be using the fact that he won’t look for another job as a positive thing.

You may not want him fired today...but if he doesn’t change his approach, you’re insinuating that you DO want him gone...you said in OP you want him to talk baseball, not life lessons...well guess what...he ain’t changing....and if you’re rebuttal will be you want him to win...then his life-lessons coaching style is irrelevant and shouldn’t have been brought up to begin with...only on-field results should have...
May 29th, 2018, 01:17 pm
cajunhawk

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

You may not want him fired today...but if he doesn’t change his approach, you’re insinuating that you DO want him gone...you said in OP you want him to talk baseball, not life lessons...well guess what...he ain’t changing....and if you’re rebuttal will be you want him to win...then his life-lessons coaching style is irrelevant and shouldn’t have been brought up to begin with...only on-field results should have...

Yes...I'd like two tickets to the "Be a Grinder" speech on the 17th.
May 29th, 2018, 01:30 pm
CajunJeaux

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

Yes...I'd like two tickets to the "Be a Grinder" speech on the 17th.

😂 that’s funny...
May 29th, 2018, 01:31 pm
Rougarou

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Originally Posted by MetryCajun

Thanks for sharing. I have no doubt your situation happens more often than we know. One thing I have noticed over the past 20 years is how similar everyone’s swing is now. Back when I started following college baseball in the 80’s you would see a lot of different stances, swings and approaches. Now they all look the same. I think as the money has gotten so good in coaching your are seeing more and more micro managers who are trying to move up the food chain for a big payday.

Stance, load, and swing have been becoming generalized in most hitting programs since the late 90's. It is getting implemented in baseball camps with young kids. That's why you see guys by the time they are in high school and college have similar styles.

You still see international players with unique stances and loads. Although the swing when broken down itself is pretty similar across the board.
May 29th, 2018, 01:33 pm
Rougarou

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

Yes...I'd like two tickets to the "Be a Grinder" speech on the 17th.

Hawk, you don't believe in grinding my dude? Grinding was one of my favorite KEG activities back in the day. LOL.
May 29th, 2018, 01:40 pm
MetryCajun

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Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana

It’s not acceptable to continually not build off the success of the program. It’s not acceptable to see a downward trend but then continue the status quo because JT has a rough 2017 year. Loyalty to a fault.

TCU has been to 4 straight CWS tournaments. Yea the draft probably hit them, but I promise they’ll be back in 2019. Will we though?

Two different arguments. No one here advocates the status quo. Other than Talbot’s family, everyone wants him to be fired. A new coach has to happen and if he is retained, Robe needs to state why and handle the justified criticism.
As for continuing to build off success, that is the goal but it is almost never achieved. Programs like ours are not able to just reload, because we are not getting the sure fire talent. We do get some very good players, but we are not consistently attracting the talent of an SEC or ACC team. I am not happy with how this year played out, but I will be curious to see how the current players improve. That has alway been the key to our success.
May 29th, 2018, 01:51 pm
Dad04

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Originally Posted by talktomewillis

You have to be mentally tough in order to struggle the way we did this year and not lose more than two straight games all season. You have to be resilient, which is mental toughness.

They were pretty tough until it counted for all the marbles last week.
May 29th, 2018, 02:00 pm
angeleast

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Originally Posted by Rougarou

Stance, load, and swing have been becoming generalized in most hitting programs since the late 90's. It is getting implemented in baseball camps with young kids. That's why you see guys by the time they are in high school and college have similar styles.

You still see international players with unique stances and loads. Although the swing when broken down itself is pretty similar across the board.

I was browsing the net and came across an article that basically said todays swing approach is based on analytics etc. Seems the human approach is being lessened.
May 29th, 2018, 02:01 pm
cajunhawk

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Originally Posted by MetryCajun

Two different arguments. No one here advocates the status quo. Other than Talbot's family, everyone wants him to be fired. A new coach has to happen and if he is retained, Robe needs to state why and handle the justified criticism.
As for continuing to build off success, that is the goal but it is almost never achieved. Programs like ours are not able to just reload, because we are not getting the sure fire talent. We do get some very good players, but we are not consistently attracting the talent of an SEC or ACC team. I am not happy with how this year played out, but I will be curious to see how the current players improve. That has alway been the key to our success.
May 29th, 2018, 02:03 pm
cajunhawk

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Originally Posted by Rougarou

Hawk, you don't believe in grinding my dude? Grinding was one of my favorite KEG activities back in the day. LOL.

I'm having flashbacks of Sisqo...
May 29th, 2018, 02:07 pm
ManAboutTown

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Originally Posted by MetryCajun

Two different arguments. No one here advocates the status quo. Other than Talbot’s family, everyone wants him to be fired. A new coach has to happen and if he is retained, Robe needs to state why and handle the justified criticism.
As for continuing to build off success, that is the goal but it is almost never achieved. Programs like ours are not able to just reload, because we are not getting the sure fire talent. We do get some very good players, but we are not consistently attracting the talent of an SEC or ACC team. I am not happy with how this year played out, but I will be curious to see how the current players improve. That has alway been the key to our success.

What exactly do you people mean when you say “programs like ours”? You mean, programs in the most talent rich area in America? Programs in the south, where baseball is still the most popular youth sport and still second most popular sport to football? Maybe you mean G5, which I’m pretty sure coastal Carolina barely qualifies for, yet they are 2 years removed from a National Championship and are hosting again this year...
May 29th, 2018, 02:09 pm
CajunRage

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

You may not want him fired today...but if he doesn’t change his approach, you’re insinuating that you DO want him gone...you said in OP you want him to talk baseball, not life lessons...well guess what...he ain’t changing....and if you’re rebuttal will be you want him to win...then his life-lessons coaching style is irrelevant and shouldn’t have been brought up to begin with...only on-field results should have...

Me wanted him gone if things don’t change is much more reasonable than you saying he should be retained without knowing the future. This program is trending in the wrong direction and has all but completely failed to capitalize on the 2014 success. My point in bringing up the life lessons coaching style is what I believe is taking priority over executing on the field. Therefore, it is very relevant.
May 29th, 2018, 02:16 pm
cajunhawk

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Originally Posted by ManAboutTown

What exactly do you people mean when you say “programs like ours”? You mean, programs in the most talent rich area in America? Programs in the south, where baseball is still the most popular youth sport and still second most popular sport to football? Maybe you mean G5, which I’m pretty sure coastal Carolina barely qualifies for, yet they are 2 years removed from a National Championship and are hosting again this year...

Also top 10 in attendance in the nation.
May 29th, 2018, 02:16 pm
zephyr

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

It’s a bad recipe having a successful, tenured coach who is still relatively young on staff??...that is 2 years removed from great success...and has had a hiccup for 2 consecutive seasons, one including a conference championship without his all-American??...yeah, maybe it’s time we put him out to pasture...

So what would be your suggestion(s) of fixing this thing then? I think everyone agrees that there are issues that are manifesting themselves into poor play, coaching and recruiting. I'm sure there are a few things you see that need to be done?
May 29th, 2018, 02:18 pm
CajunRage

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Originally Posted by MetryCajun

Two different arguments. No one here advocates the status quo. Other than Talbot's family, everyone wants him to be fired. A new coach has to happen and if he is retained, Robe needs to state why and handle the justified criticism.
As for continuing to build off success, that is the goal but it is almost never achieved. Programs like ours are not able to just reload, because we are not getting the sure fire talent. We do get some very good players, but we are not consistently attracting the talent of an SEC or ACC team. I am not happy with how this year played out, but I will be curious to see how the current players improve. That has alway been the key to our success.
May 29th, 2018, 02:20 pm
MetryCajun

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Originally Posted by ManAboutTown

What exactly do you people mean when you say “programs like ours”? You mean, programs in the most talent rich area in America? Programs in the south, where baseball is still the most popular youth sport and still second most popular sport to football? Maybe you mean G5, which I’m pretty sure coastal Carolina barely qualifies for, yet they are 2 years removed from a National Championship and are hosting again this year...

I mean G5 schools. None of them are perennial powerhouses. They all have down years. Heck, look how mediocre Georgia and Alabama are. Even they can’t contend every year. Let’s see how this plays out. I think we just need to find a couple of diference makers and we are right back to where we all want to be. I just don’t buy the notion that we are some special program that can easily reload every year. Even the powerhouse programs have bad stretches.
May 29th, 2018, 02:25 pm
CajunProud

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Life lessons or not, this is my personal belief from a baseball fan perspective only.

My biggest issue with Tony has been the lack of consistency. It seems that after we have a very successful season, we tend to take a step or two backwards, see the 2001 season as well as the 2011 and 2012 seasons and the last 3 years. This program had success before Tony. We are in a talent rich state. We have one of the best fan bases in America (see attendance number over the last decade or so). We have a palace to play in. I understand that we don't attract SEC type caliber players every year, but we should be able to attract talent just below that level, and then develop the talent. There is absolutely zero excuse for UL not to be in post season 4 out of every 5 years, period.
May 29th, 2018, 02:32 pm
ManAboutTown

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Originally Posted by MetryCajun

I mean G5 schools. None of them are perennial powerhouses. They all have down years. Heck, look how mediocre Georgia and Alabama are. Even they can’t contend every year. Let’s see how this plays out. I think we just need to find a couple of diference makers and we are right back to where we all want to be. I just don’t buy the notion that we are some special program that can easily reload every year. Even the powerhouse programs have bad stretches.

Well the truth is, like Coastal, we are a unique program. Culture, attendance, geography. All ideal. We play in a conference that is good enough to not hurt your RPI, but allows teams to get on runs in the middle of the season. I’m willing to give the new ballpark some time to actually bare fruit, but regardless, we play in a top flight ball park in America. We have an excellent reputation in college baseball, on the field and off he field. Our fans travel and do a very good job of it. We are the top supported baseball program in America (not named LSU, Florida, or Texas) from a media standpoint. I could go on..

Are we going to come up short from time to time? Everyone does. Should we not expect to be a contender for league, regional and super regional championships every year? Based on everything above, you bet your ___ we should.
May 29th, 2018, 02:35 pm
CajunJeaux

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

Me wanted him gone if things don’t change is much more reasonable than you saying he should be retained without knowing the future. This program is trending in the wrong direction and has all but completely failed to capitalize on the 2014 success. My point in bringing up the life lessons coaching style is what I believe is taking priority over executing on the field. Therefore, it is very relevant.

Just curious...Weren’t you the poster who threw all your support to baseball when the Hud/ Trump mess went down?...something like you only wanted to support programs that were ran clean???....apologize in advance if I have you mistaken...
May 29th, 2018, 02:37 pm
CajunRage

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Take a look at this. This is comparing to half a dozen teams that should never be in postseason play. Not teams that we are aiming to be. Very concerning and no one should feel like their job is safe.
May 29th, 2018, 02:37 pm
Cajun90

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

Me wanted him gone if things don’t change is much more reasonable than you saying he should be retained without knowing the future. This program is trending in the wrong direction and has all but completely failed to capitalize on the 2014 success. My point in bringing up the life lessons coaching style is what I believe is taking priority over executing on the field. Therefore, it is very relevant.

In 2015 we followed up our '14 SR appearance (one of the best seasons in NCAA history for any team) with another SR appearance and then hosted a regional in '16. Here is hoping that we get back on track with that "trend".

"Failed to capitalize"..... you should come check out the new ballpark.
May 29th, 2018, 02:38 pm
CajunJeaux

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Originally Posted by zephyr

So what would be your suggestion(s) of fixing this thing then? I think everyone agrees that there are issues that are manifesting themselves into poor play, coaching and recruiting. I'm sure there are a few things you see that need to be done?

Well from a fan who just donates, attends and listens to games with no access to factual inside info...I’d say hitting HAS to improce...what needs to be done to make that happen...I don’t know...I trust the man with 1,000 plus victories to have more of a PROFESSIONAL take on what that will take...
May 29th, 2018, 02:39 pm
CajunRage

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

Just curious...Weren’t you the poster who threw all your support to baseball when the Hud/ Trump mess went down?...something like you only wanted to support programs that were ran clean???....apologize in advance if I have you mistaken...

I was done with Hud for more reasons than just that. It may have been the last straw but I wasn't raising hell for the Trump issue alone.

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