Wow. Was not expecting that response from you at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
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Wow. Was not expecting that response from you at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
You're getting equally predictable 4U. Just sayin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragin4U
Are you saying, no amount of recruiting budget, would help?Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
Not unless Marlin changes his staff to add someone who can recruit higher profile players and someone who can coach the offense; along with changing his philosophy to put a higher priority on winning regular season games, and on bringing opponents to the dome who will help our RPI and interest our fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbine
I don't believe he would do any of those things.
My question was not about Marlin or the coaching staff or players, but the door was cracked just enough to unleash an anti-Marlin jab. I get it. Dont really need clarification on your feelings.
In general, does basketball have a higher return than football? What sport does have the highest ROI? What would your inputs and outputs be?
Unless you are power 5. Basketball
Case in point, Gonzaga. Everyone considers them to be more or less on par with most P5 conference programs. Virtually no one sees Boise or Houston or Cincinnati football to be P5 competitive. Plus 2-4 NCAA Tournament units a year dwarfs bowl revenue unless you make the playoff or the access bowl.
I'd like to start off by saying I'm not a Marlin defender and would surely like to see us have better records than what we are currently seeing... But I've heard a lot of comments about how Marlin can't recruit and/or develop talent. I'd just like to point out that we will send two players to the NBA in consecutive years. Either those were great recruiting gets, or the coaches coached em up and got them playing above their recruiting grade. Either way one of those statements is pretty inaccurate. If you say what about the rest of the team, remember we are not Kentucky. We're not going to sign 3-5 NBA talent players every year and that expectation should be tempered a bit. We all have one thing in common. We love Cajun sports and we want to see them succeed. But we must remember there are other schools with a lot to offer besides our beloved University.
Well first of all get your statements accurate. Not two NBA players in consecutive years. Second we will see if long gets drafted. Third if all UL was the best fit for a homesick Long. Fourth EP worked out.
Now how much did he actually do with that much talent. One NCAA trip. Give him credit he pulled off two long shot wins back to back.
You've seen Marlins best work. One trip
In six years. I don't think we are Duke,Kentucky, or Kansas. But is it reall to much to ask, can we be the Duke,Kentucky, or Kansas of this weak SBC. Is that not what the least you'd demand.
So if it isn't a problem recruiting, what is the problem? If you say that we can't expect much better... due to reasons outside the control of the coach... and we are pretty much stuck without much hope of NCAA or NIT appearances... then we don't need to pay a coach close to $500k... and we sure don't need better basketball facilities. Is that a fair statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by campo118
And evidently this "situation" that exists is...1) so bad...and...2) is worse here...that we can only be a mid-Belt team. Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just1More
Maybe our "situational ceiling" is lower than most fans realize. But I'd rather let other programs use it as their go to excuse... and we do what it takes to defy the odds. I still believe we've got remnants of being a "basketball school" and with the right recruiting we could be relevant more often in the post season. I think we have a bigger, interested basketball fan base that is dormant... waiting to get crazy over Cajun basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunRed
To me, it's like Bob knows what goes on the grocery list to make a good gumbo. He just doesn't know how to make a great day of cooking it. Bob needs to know when to ask a drunk Cajun for some help.
According to the NCAA record book for MBB UL has an all time .559 winning percentage. This year's record is reflective of the program's average win percentage. This year's team was built to make the NCAAs. Instead it earned a 4th place finish in the watered down SBC. No WKU, no MTSU or we could have been 6th place. Never mind losing to La Tech. Coaches know they can win here. We're just not winning enough.
A truckload of forfeited games bringing down that average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckster
Today's method, vacated games (wins and losses) guarantee your historical average is less likely to get slammed.
MT was very good this year. However, WKU really struggled. Their coach just resigned under pressure. Apparently there were some NCAA issues. From what I recall it may have involved KNOWINGLY playing ineligible players. Despite those guys they had a losing record and fell pretty far down the conference standings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckster
Mike, the difference is that neither the WKU administration nor it's fan base will tolerate mediocre basketball. You can bet that they won't stay down long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajunsmike
Thanks for setting the record straight. Always appreciate your insights on the MBB program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajunsmike
WKU was worse than mediocre the last two years. They were downright poor. I have to think were we to have two years like that in a row we would be making a change as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
Mike, they were 18-14 vs D1 schools last year, with a final RPI of 117, this year they were 16-16 vs D1, with an RPI of 158.
We were 17-14 and 149 last year; 15-14 and 157 this season. Very comparable to WKU, yet we are comfortable.
The Toppers have gone 7-10 vs top 100 RPI schools over the last two seasons; we are 2-9.
Well stated. However, 1) if we recruited so well and have two NBA players on our team (which Long may not play in the NBA, at least for a while) why can't we win more than 17 games? 2) if you have two NBA players on your team, how can you not recruit better players around them while having 2-3 walk out the door every year?Quote:
Originally Posted by campo118
How can you not design an offense which fits the talents of the players you have, rather than the players you thought you had?Quote:
Originally Posted by zephyr
I don't know anything about coaching basketball at a high level; but if I had been coaching the Cajuns, with Long and Peyton, we would never have finished as low as the #4 seed in the conference tournament; furthermore, we would have attempted less than half as many 3's the last two years, focusing instead on spreading the court and attacking the rim with Long, Washington, Stove, Walker and Hedgeman off of the pick and roll at around 15' from the goal.
I am in agreement with parts of this but a coach can rarely make wholesale changes to his system. Its his system because that is what he knows and can teach and adjust. Usually you get players that can fit your system not the other way. Best example of doing wrong has been LSU FB offense the past couple of years. They get dual threat qbs and run a Big 8 offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
Well, Bob didn't do this; but he did recruit some nice inside players and slashers. Basketball ain't football. There are only 5 guys on the court for you at a time. ALL of them can perform the same basic basketball acts; just each of them is better at a different set of those skills. Every basketball coach from Dr. Naismith to the 18 year old kid coaching his little brother's biddy team knows the three or four base offenses that have been developed since the baskets still had bottoms. Every GOOD coach plays to the strength of his team, whether because he recruited to his preferred system or because he failed to do that and the players he has are better in another system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragin4U
I'm not commenting on what Marlin did or didnt do. I am just saying that coaches usually are comfortable with a certain system. Calling for a pick and roll offense is great but you need a 1 who can press the basket and make good decisions. You need a big who doesnt just roll but can pop on the pick and pop and you need a consistent outside threat to keep the d honest. Otherwise they will pack the lane and the roll will never be open. You cant just wish your team to be the Spurs.
I am partial to a dribble-drive or motion offense where you dont need a dedicated 1 or 5. Many more 2,3, and 4s out there.
You mean like Little Rock killed us with, running a motion offense that featured the pick and roll at the T, which led to numerous uncontested layups? If we had run that offense this year, Long would have averaged 25 and Washington 20, as both are immeasurably better than the guys who played the comparable positions at Little Rock. I don't need a 1 to run the pick and roll; I need a couple of good 4's [Long, Washington, Walker] and a 3 or two with a decent handle [Stove, Hedge] and a couple of 1's or 2's who can hit an uncontested 3 when it is available [Wright, Wronk, Shep].Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragin4U
Just because the most famous pick and roll offense involved John Stockton and Karl Malone doesn't mean that is the only way you can do it.
I think your 1 has to be a good decision maker otherwise the pick and roll turns into a turnover fest. I can teach anyone to set his feet and then roll to the rim. The 1 has to set up his defender, sell the drive and be a threat to drive and then make the decision to pass, drive, shoot. If your big can shoot a little, the pick and pop is a nice change but it is all predicated on the 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver