Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
talktomewillis
MAT is one of my better friends. I am not a member of that club.
I look at the total picture. I'm not so naive as to think everyone wins every year. Nor do I expect that as a fan.
I want the same things you do. I think where we differ is I don't believe you understand how hard it is to be very good every single year.
With a few exceptions, mid major programs have peaks and valleys. I don't think you get that. Or at least, you think we are, or should be, immune to it.
Examples? Check WKU in the last five years. You'll agree it is a highly thought of mid major program. How about Middle Tennessee this year? After several good seasons, they are not good at all.
You're one of those guys who wants it EVERY YEAR. We have finished out of the top four (on your list of expectations) four out of five years. That's pretty good. Not great.
When I said we were the second most consistent program in the league over the last five years, I said I wanted to be first. You must have missed that part.
You talk about more postseason appearances. Well, there was a time, as recently as Jessie Evans, when you had a solid season but didn't win your league, you got an NIT bid. That no longer is the case. So...you want to either win the league or the tournament damn near every year in order to keep you happy. OK.....got it.
Using TODAY's criteria for postseason play and applying it to the past, you'll see we aren't far off from the best days in our recent history. (post probation). Under Coach paschal, we would have made postseason twice in seven years. Yet he's considered the best coach we've had since probation. Marty Fletcher won a game in the NCAA tournament, but only made postseason twice in eleven years. Jessie would have had two in seven years. Robert Lee had one in six years. bob Marlin has two in eight years.
Now, read this carefully. I am only talking about appearances. And, that's because YOU were only talking about appearances. I am well aware the previous coaches had better quality wins. But if you were to bring that up, you would be moving the needle.
Again.
When did I ever move the needle? I've always stated I wanted more postseason appearances and consistently finish top 4 in the Sun Belt.
As for it being harder to make the postseason these days, I understand that it's not easy. You're going to come up short every once in a while. That's why outliers exist. But that doesn't excuse it, either. And when you compare us to what Middle Tennessee has done, the argument doesn't help. Even though Middle has struggled this season, they've also gone to the NCAA tournament three times since 2013 (Round of 32 twice) with an NIT appearance last year. That's FOUR postseason appearances in the past six seasons, which also includes five regular season conference championships since 2012. I can only DREAM to have a run like that. Asking for a coach to be fired after that type of run would be laughable anywhere (unless you're Houston football). A one-year fall from grace gets a pass as long as it doesn't turn into consistency. Even Robe has had seasons like that, and like Marlin, you would never see me ask for his firing.
And yes, WKU has a respectable program. But I will also say that they have recently underachieved even though they made it to the NIT final four last season as an.........at-large. I guess that would make me a "hater" from a WKU fan's perspective (I don't like them anyway, so I'll wear that name proudly). Or as BOP used to say, a "faceless buffoon."
But we also have more resources, and we're paying our coach more money than what the previous coaches were being given. That also raises the bar of expectations. So when we fail to meet our goals, talking about the past or discussing the difficulty of making the tournament holds less water with me. It's time to earn that cash. And like I said before, I support the contract extension. Time to go produce.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
RaginDave
Regardless of all the negativity here, I have one thing to say.....
Geaux Cajuns beat stAte tonight. I still believe in this team with or without Marquetti. I believe players will step up and we are going to sweep the Arkansas teams this week and be 11-4 and 2-0 in conference.
Not a bad place to be setting up big games vs Georgia State and Georgia Southern next week.
Geaux Cajuns!!!!!!!
Love your optimism. I am sure the team believes they can have success without Malik. That is the first step to success.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
When did I ever move the needle? I've always stated I wanted more postseason appearances and consistently finish top 4 in the Sun Belt.
As for it being harder to make the postseason these days, I understand that it's not easy. You're going to come up short every once in a while. That's why outliers exist. But when you compare us to what Middle Tennessee has done, the argument goes out of the window. Even though Middle has struggled this season, they've also gone to the NCAA tournament three times since 2013 (Round of 32 twice) with an NIT appearance last year. That's FOUR postseason appearances in the past six seasons, which also includes five regular season conference championships since 2012. I can only DREAM to have a run like that. Asking for a coach to be fired after that type of run would be laughable anywhere (unless you're Houston football). A one-year fall from grace gets a pass as long as it doesn't turn into consistency. Even Robe has had seasons like that, and like Marlin, you would never see me ask for his firing.
And yes, WKU has a respectable program. But I will also say that they have recently underachieved even though they made it to the NIT final four last season as an.........at-large. I guess that would make me a "hater" from a WKU fan's perspective (I don't like them anyway, so I'll wear that name proudly). Or as BOP used to say, a "faceless buffoon."
But we also have more resources, and we're paying our coach more money than what the previous coaches were being given. That also raises the bar of expectations. So when we fail to meet our goals, talking about the past or discussing the difficulty of making the tournament holds less water with me. It's time to earn that cash. And like I said before, I support the contract extension. Time to go produce.
If you support the extension, many don't agree with that position, or at least the timing of it.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Cajunsmike
If you support the extension, many don't agree with that position, or at least the timing of it.
You can't fire a coach after winning 27 games and winning a conference championship. But what you can do is ask for more consistency to compliment what he's getting paid.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
You can't fire a coach after winning 27 games and winning a conference championship. But what you can do is ask for more consistency to compliment what he's getting paid.
Damn turd in a punch bowl! LOL!!!
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
When did I ever move the needle? I've always stated I wanted more postseason appearances and consistently finish top 4 in the Sun Belt.
As for it being harder to make the postseason these days, I understand that it's not easy. You're going to come up short every once in a while. That's why outliers exist. But that doesn't excuse it, either. And when you compare us to what Middle Tennessee has done, the argument doesn't help. Even though Middle has struggled this season, they've also gone to the NCAA tournament three times since 2013 (Round of 32 twice) with an NIT appearance last year. That's FOUR postseason appearances in the past six seasons, which also includes five regular season conference championships since 2012. I can only DREAM to have a run like that. Asking for a coach to be fired after that type of run would be laughable anywhere (unless you're Houston football). A one-year fall from grace gets a pass as long as it doesn't turn into consistency. Even Robe has had seasons like that, and like Marlin, you would never see me ask for his firing.
And yes, WKU has a respectable program. But I will also say that they have recently underachieved even though they made it to the NIT final four last season as an.........at-large. I guess that would make me a "hater" from a WKU fan's perspective (I don't like them anyway, so I'll wear that name proudly). Or as BOP used to say, a "faceless buffoon."
But we also have more resources, and we're paying our coach more money than what the previous coaches were being given. That also raises the bar of expectations. So when we fail to meet our goals, talking about the past or discussing the difficulty of making the tournament holds less water with me. It's time to earn that cash. And like I said before, I support the contract extension. Time to go produce.
I brought up Middle because they are in the toilet this year.
And, my point is, if WKU can have valleys with the resources they put into hoops, then anyone can. It's just the way it is nowadays.
Now, let's review and then I'll be done with this.
You made a comment about wanting to be in the top four of the league. When I pointed out we were, you immediately got on two postseason appearances in nine years.
Call it changing the subject. Call it moving the needle. Either way, you didn't even acknowledge it as fact until I pointed it out for the second time.
It reminded me of my dad when I was in college. Every time I'd make an A in a class, he'd immediately bring up another subject where I wasn't making an A.
I'm done with this conversation. Geaux Cajuns. Beat Arky State.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
talktomewillis
I brought up Middle because they are in the toilet this year.
And, my point is, if WKU can have valleys with the resources they put into hoops, then anyone can. It's just the way it is nowadays.
Now, let's review and then I'll be done with this.
You made a comment about wanting to be in the top four of the league. When I pointed out we were, you immediately got on two postseason appearances in nine years.
Call it changing the subject. Call it moving the needle. Either way, you didn't even acknowledge it as fact until I pointed it out for the second time.
It reminded me of my dad when I was in college. Every time I'd make an A in a class, he'd immediately bring up another subject where I wasn't making an A.
I'm done with this conversation. Geaux Cajuns. Beat Arky State.
"A's" are good.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
When did I ever move the needle? I've always stated I wanted more postseason appearances and consistently finish top 4 in the Sun Belt.
As for it being harder to make the postseason these days, I understand that it's not easy. You're going to come up short every once in a while. That's why outliers exist. But that doesn't excuse it, either. And when you compare us to what Middle Tennessee has done, the argument doesn't help. Even though Middle has struggled this season, they've also gone to the NCAA tournament three times since 2013 (Round of 32 twice) with an NIT appearance last year. That's FOUR postseason appearances in the past six seasons, which also includes five regular season conference championships since 2012. I can only DREAM to have a run like that. Asking for a coach to be fired after that type of run would be laughable anywhere (unless you're Houston football). A one-year fall from grace gets a pass as long as it doesn't turn into consistency. Even Robe has had seasons like that, and like Marlin, you would never see me ask for his firing.
And yes, WKU has a respectable program. But I will also say that they have recently underachieved even though they made it to the NIT final four last season as an.........at-large. I guess that would make me a "hater" from a WKU fan's perspective (I don't like them anyway, so I'll wear that name proudly). Or as BOP used to say, a "faceless buffoon."
But we also have more resources, and we're paying our coach more money than what the previous coaches were being given. That also raises the bar of expectations. So when we fail to meet our goals, talking about the past or discussing the difficulty of making the tournament holds less water with me. It's time to earn that cash. And like I said before, I support the contract extension. Time to go produce.
Before Kermit Davis left MT to go to Ole Miss, his 7-year contract had him making $750K per year without bonuses and was scheduled to go thru 2023-2024. His contract at Ole Miss starts at $2.5M per year.
