Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
zephyr
It was a great year. It was an exciting year and I thoroughly enjoyed it even though we fell short of our potential. It really brought me back to the Dome a lot and I enjoyed watching this team play. Unfortunately, it was the exception not the norm.
Marlin outcoached himself from some diehard fan approval.
He took an underage EP, coached him into the NBA early, and denied himself the "combo" of Payton & Long as a Senior/Junior tandem.
If Marlin had that dnh year on his resume, the mediocre crowd would be silent. ... Perhaps
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
cajun_lannister
And still got bounced out the first round of a second tier tournament! Then got to watch Gap Tooth Ron go dancing
You don't know the CBI from the CIT. And you don't know the first round from the semifinals.
Anyone can get upset on any day, especially in a conference tournament. It happened.
It does not change the fact they won the SBC Regular season title and set a school record for wins in the process.
The contract extension of two years is just being announced now. But it was agreed upon last spring.
He now has four years remaining on his contract. And, I believe CajunT pointed out quite a ways back there is a reduced buyout.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
talktomewillis
You don't know the CBI from the CIT. And you don't know the first round from the semifinals.
Anyone can get upset on any day, especially in a conference tournament. It happened.
It does not change the fact they won the SBC Regular season title and set a school record for wins in the process.
The contract extension of two years is just being announced now. But it was agreed upon last spring.
He now has four years remaining on his contract. And, I believe CajunT pointed out quite a ways back there is a reduced buyout.
Wow did not know we made the NIT Semifinals!
Like I said earlier I mixed up the buy-in tournament my mistake.
We set a school record of wins yet lost to every top 100 team on the schedule.. EVERY ... SINGLE .... ONE
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
talktomewillis
You don't know the CBI from the CIT. And you don't know the first round from the semifinals.
Anyone can get upset on any day, especially in a conference tournament. It happened.
It does not change the fact they won the SBC Regular season title and set a school record for wins in the process.
The contract extension of two years is just being announced now. But it was agreed upon last spring.
He now has four years remaining on his contract. And, I believe CajunT pointed out quite a ways back there is a reduced buyout.
It definitely reduced Coach Marlin's payout. We should get the actual contract numbers once the UL System Board releases that information to the Media.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
CajunT
There are 68 teams in the NCAA and 32 in the NIT. That makes 100 team slots that are selected between the two tournaments. There are only 70 team slots for FBS Bowl games. It is not comparable period. If your basketball team can not finish in the Top 100 teams in post season play, it has not business playing period.
100 teams out of 300 playing in basketball's postseason. 1/3
70 teams out of 130 playing in football's postseason. Over half.
It is much MUCH harder to make it to basketball postseason.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Hatch
There are only 130 FBS teams so at that rate 53% are playing in bowl games. In D1 basketball there are 351 teams. So even when you throw in the CBI and CIT and the Vegas 16 that’s roughly 45% playing in the “postseason”. Very comparable in my opinion, albeit lower tier bowls are much higher on the national radar than the mid major tournaments. And I realize you don’t “buy into”a bowl game but you can sure as hell loose a heck of a lot going to one.
Sorry T hadn't read this far, didn't intend to pile on.
Ps I rounded off low on my numbers Hatch's are clearly better.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
I, for one, am not here to bash Marlin. I'd just like some answers or potential explanations.
I cut my teeth on Cajun basketball when Beryl Shipley coached our squad so obviously my view of what exciting basketball looks like is heavily influenced by that. I was also an avid fan of the program when Bobby Paschal lead the team.
Those were exciting times to be a Cajun basketball fan.
What's changed? The sport? The times? The expectations? We sometimes seem to be sleep-walking through the college basketball season, year after year, just waiting to wake up so we can watch baseball and softball. That's pretty sad for a program of our size and history in my opinion.
I guess today I just get tired of hearing how hard it is to do things. WFT? It's always been hard to do great things. I want to see this program do great things, in all of our sports. I realize there are cycles to go through, there always are in life. But if the cycles involve several years of way down, a few more years of so-so, and a single year of well above average, then to me, that's not enough.
If paying Joe Bleaux to help us do great things doesn't work, then hire another guy who will. They're out there.
Now, about your Marquetti comments. Not saying a negative thing about Marquetti, but are we really at a point where an injury to such a player is a crippling one? A shell of ourselves, really?
Bo Lamar goes down with season-ending injury.....we're in a world of hurt..........Andrew Toney goes down with season-ending injury.....same comment. We can both name a few others. But Marquetti? That's the standard today?
Dunno. We just seem so....so.....almost average in basketball and that appears to be good enough to many. To me, it's just sad.
Fanatico, the answer to your question is....EVERYTHING has changed.
Beryl Shipley's teams, based on their body of work, would never have sniffed the NCAA tournament with today's criteria (unless they got an auto bid.)
One of the greatest accomplishments in our long basketball history is when USL got an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament with Bobby Paschal. Today, that team wouldn't have been considered.
What happened is the sport exploded. And, with billions of dollars in TV rights, the big conferences have done everything possible to exclude virtually everyone that isn't in one of the Big 6 conferences.
We were all enthralled by Loyola-Chicago last year. Reality is, had they not won their conference tournament, they wouldn't have been invited. It's the way it is today.
We have watched the interest in college basketball in the Deep South all but disappear. Fans are staying away in droves in conferences like the Sun Belt, Southland, Atlantic Sun and CUSA (with exception of those schools not considered in the Deep South or basketball crazy states like N Carolina and Kentucky.)
I have said many times......we loved the days of Lamar and Toney. Those days are gone. They aren't coming back. Too much has changed with recruiting and big time college basketball. Occasionally we can catch lightning in a bottle and get an Elfrid.
As far as your Marquetti comment is concerned, while he is not a Toney or a Lamar, he's a damn good basketball player. An NBA player? No. But a player who can make a great living overseas.
Regardless of what caliber of team you have, when you lose your best player (and I think Malik was certainly our most versatile because of everything he could do) you aren't going to be nearly as good.
And, over the years, that hasn't changed.
Last year we won a championship. And, the same people on this board who vilified Bob Marlin several years ago when he said it all comes down to three days in March, got ____ed off last year when they found out he was right.
Scott Cross is the winningest coach in UTA history. He's had some fine teams since joining the Sun Belt. But he won a title, got upset in the conference tournament and was fired because he never made the NCAA tournament. Several criticized UTA for that move.
And, now some of those same people want to do the same to Marlin.
Some of the criticism of Marlin I agree with. I don't like the schedule. I wish we had more OOC success against good teams. I HATE playing non D-1's (even though Shipley and Paschal played more than their share).
But none of that means anything when it comes to the main goal, which is to win championships. Bob Marlin has won two in the last five years. And, the Lannisters and Victorys of the world would be a lot more quiet had it not been for losing one freaking game in March.
But that's the way it is with millennials.
The reality is no one dominates mid major leagues. Not the Sun Belt, not CUSA, not the ASun, not the MAC. And, to suggest we should is complete folly.
There are 12 teams in this league. It is the league we are in. Only one school has had more championships over the last five years.
But hey, what do I know.
Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
talktomewillis
Fanatico, the answer to your question is....EVERYTHING has changed.
Beryl Shipley's teams, based on their body of work, would never have sniffed the NCAA tournament with today's criteria (unless they got an auto bid.)
One of the greatest accomplishments in our long basketball history is when USL got an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament with Bobby Paschal. Today, that team wouldn't have been considered.
What happened is the sport exploded. And, with billions of dollars in TV rights, the big conferences have done everything possible to exclude virtually everyone that isn't in one of the Big 6 conferences.
We were all enthralled by Loyola-Chicago last year. Reality is, had they not won their conference tournament, they wouldn't have been invited. It's the way it is today.
We have watched the interest in college basketball in the Deep South all but disappear. Fans are staying away in droves in conferences like the Sun Belt, Southland, Atlantic Sun and CUSA (with exception of those schools not considered in the Deep South or basketball crazy states like N Carolina and Kentucky.)
I have said many times......we loved the days of Lamar and Toney. Those days are gone. They aren't coming back. Too much has changed with recruiting and big time college basketball. Occasionally we can catch lightning in a bottle and get an Elfrid.
As far as your Marquette comment is concerned, while he is not a Toney or a Lamar, he's a damn good basketball player. An NBA player? No. But a player who can make a great living overseas.
Regardless of what caliber of team you have, when you lose your best player (and I think Malik was certainly our most versatile because of everything he could do) you aren't going to be nearly as good.
And, over the years, that hasn't changed.
Last year we won a championship. And, the same people on this board who vilified Bob Marlin several years ago when he said it all comes down to three days in March, got ____ed off last year when they found out he was right.
Scott Cross is the winningest coach in UTA history. He's had some fine teams since joining the Sun Belt. But he won a title, got upset in the conference tournament and was fired because he never made the NCAA tournament. Several criticized UTA for that move.
And, now some of those same people want to do the same to Marlin.
Some of the criticism of Marlin I agree with. I don't like the schedule. I wish we had more OOC success against good teams. I HATE playing non D-1's (even though Shipley and Paschal played more than their share).
But none of that means anything when it comes to the main goal, which is to win championships. Bob Marlin has won two in the last five years. And, the Lannisters and Victorys of the world would be a lot more quiet had it not been for losing one freaking game in March.
But that's the way it is with millennials.
The reality is no one dominates mid major leagues. Not the Sun Belt, not CUSA, not the ASun, not the MAC. And, to suggest we should is complete folly.
There are 12 teams in this league. It is the league we are in. Only one school has had more championships over the last five years.
But hey, what do I know.
If it's so unfair pay marlin 100k and pump the would be basketball money into sports that have a chance. The extra money would go a long way in other sports here. Btw Glasco & Napire have both coached in the same number of Sunbelt championship games as Marlin... imagine what they could do with 8 years and an extra few hundred thousand
