Lee made the wrong decisions in his first 2-3 years as head coach, this is crazy!!! HE brought those Juco players in that he eventually had to run off.Quote:
Originally Posted by wcd35
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Lee made the wrong decisions in his first 2-3 years as head coach, this is crazy!!! HE brought those Juco players in that he eventually had to run off.Quote:
Originally Posted by wcd35
Believe me, I totally understand, I just dont know if you take the risk and it goes bad and we cant go to the WCWS in softball or a regional in baseball or a bowl in football because of one more season of Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by KACajun
Just weighing the options, its not a clear cut decision. I'm a little p****d off, but I'll get over it. I know plenty of you will bring up the other failures of this athletic dept, but I'm not going to add on the other issues to this, but that's just my opinion. I understand why most of you are furious.
This isn't hard folks.
Hire a coach who can recruit/re-recruit, keep one particular assistant and you have zero attrition and a perfect APR.
igeaux.mobi
That's still not a 100% guarantee. Some of the kids may feel cheated since they made their opinions known to Walker/Farmer twice each. I'm sure they were mostly or all for keeping their coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbine
Seriously why are we even shocked by this? The faces in Martin Hall may have changed but the philosophy is still the same.
I just sent my email to DW and scott
I have emailed Dr. Savoie, Walker, Farmer, and the DA twice. Look I understand this whole APR thing. The bottom line is this is all happening under David Walkers watch. They have run this whole 3 ring circus into the ground.
I agree Walker and Farmer totally tainted the new coaches retention process by allowing/getting underperforming athletes to officially etch their view on a likeable but must be fired coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by wcd35
igeaux.mobi
It's not like we aren't still getting juco players, didn't we just get a few kids that played at a whole bunch of previous schools. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but; I remember hearing about players getting in Lee's grill and walking out of practice. Yesterday it sounded like the only chance Lee had to stay was due to $$$$money$$$$$, not his loyal players threatening to jump ship.
Does anyone else think Farmer might not be here much longer?
I don't think this is what he signed up for.
I think walker is keeping Farmer under thumb. You can just tell by talking to Farmer that he gets it. But being the associate AD, he can't do anything without David Walkers ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljr3721
See that is a very valid point. That is really the best argument that I see on the other side of APR stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by ULtimateCajun
Like I said in the BEV thread, there's 2 sides:
APR risks - perhaps we aren't close to the edge, maybe we are and possibly lose players if Lee is fired and in turn, all of our sports suffer for many years to come
Financial - Cost of buyout, new coach's salary vs Losses in season tickets, supports, concessions, etc.
From the decision they made they are saying:
APR - Risk is high if we fire a coach so we keep Lee
Financial - While it will be expensive to fire and buyout, the costs faced due to loss in support at games is probably higher, but do not overcome the possibility of academic issues. Then again, maybe its more to fire and we need to keep him and save some money. IDK?
This is clearly a CYA move by the Athletic Department. What's more year of futility in basketball if it risks bowl games, post season tournaments for non-football programs and subsequent national recognition, etc? Besides, if post season tournaments means what I think it means, that includes eliminating the possibility for even a SBC title for any sport.
Of course, this is all (to quote Jim Rome) ALLEGEDLY because of APR. God help us if this is truly a vote of confidence in their ability to coach.
Yea totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damon
Looking at worst case scenario (as a note, basketball not my favorite sport), I dont mind taking a bad year of basketball over a post-season ban of all sports (baseball, softball, football pretty much only affected.)
Ahh, time to clear the head and go home then to the Tigue to go have a beer and watch our next coach on the proverbial "hot seat." :rolls eyes:
I think the worst part of this is that the athletic department felt like they had to make an announcement saying that two coaches who were under contract will indeed be back.
Either fire them, or don't. This seems half-way. It sends the message "we wanted to fire him, but we couldn't." If they really wanted Lee back next year, this announcement never would have happened. You don't make press announcements to address the whining of fans on message boards.
This is bush league. Bad bush league. But David Walker doesn't get that.
I will not follow Cajun basketball until Lee is gone. First time I have not been loyal follower since 8 years old. Next year I don't even plan to look at a score. It is as if the program does not exist in my eyes. Sorry, but that is how I feel. Just one person, but imagine there are others that feel same. I will rejoin the ranks of Cajun basketball fans when Lee is gone. I will still follow football, baseball, softball...Quote:
Originally Posted by jllanclos
This is but one of a whole multitude of things that David Walker doesn't get. Go sign my petition if you agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BabbForHeisman
Already done sir. #27 (and #26 for good measure)Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
Has there been a single year where Lee hasn't run some scapegoat off the team at some point?Quote:
Originally Posted by KACajun
What makes the admins think next year will be any different?
igeaux.mobi
will cajuns basketball average 1000 fans per game next year? unlikely. I hope the fans stay away by the masses. Just like the conference tourney game, a post season game, where only a very sparse crowd showed up. The long time tradition rich and successful cajuns basketball program is on vacation and has been on vacation for the past few years. Not sure it will ever get back on track. One coach and a stubborn and cheap administration ran decades of success into the ground, in a few short years. This decision to retain Lee might as well be the death penalty for the program, at least with regards to fans ever believing it will strive to compete at a high level. There is no other program in the country, anywhere, where a coach with Lee's win loss record and lack of direction, combined with past succcess before he became coach, would still be around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jllanclos
That all may apply to Lee but how do you justify keeping Rogers? Walker says he is giving him the remainder of his contract because they knew he would need time to "get back" to the winning ways. But Rogers is the guy who is responsible for getting away from the ncaa post season ways that Kelly Hall left him with. They claim they knew he would lose all those veteran players this year, but didn't he have them last year and he only won 8 games? Then he only wins 3 games this season. And he has had players quit on him mid-season. How does that square with the concerns about the APR? The guy is a bum! Fire him!Quote:
Originally Posted by wcd35
This is what I said in another thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer58
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The APR is not being used against Rogers as much IMO. I think it was given in the press release that Rogers was given a 4 year opportunity and he's 2 years in. Not that its a great excuse as I have 1% of faith in Rogers turning this around.
Bottom line is this: you have to look at this decision (keeping Lee) on long term and short term, logically and not emotionally. I have yet to hear any logical reason that would outweigh the argument that we could lose the postseason due to APR.
Does anyone have any sort of reason that would outweigh APR penalties? Making this decision you weigh all the factors and consequences and ultimately, I have heard no arguments that come close to convince me that this wasnt the right decision long term. It is not a popular choice, and personally, I will hate to see another bad year in all likelihood, but when you are looking down the line, this had to be done.
Please, if you have a reason to fire Lee that outweighs the risk of the penalties, let me know. This decision is all risk management and you have to look at it like a robot not a fan.
Also, I do agree with the fact that David Walker has plenty of blame in this matter. Much or all of what has happened occurred under his tenure. Its for this reason that I feel that he is on as thin, if not thinner, ice than Lee is.
This is key:
Lee had to stay on because of how he affects APR. Walker has no clear reason to stay other than his body of work.
Make of that what you will.
wcd35 it is a false assumpion to assume Lee will accomplish in year six what he failed to accomplish in any single year prior. That being zero attrition.
It is an equally false assumption that the right hire would suffer any attrition.
What we have now is a school that needs the current roster more than the current players need the school.
Under no circumstances can this ever be allowed to occur.
igeaux.mobi