University of Louisiana prepares smoke- and tobacco-free policy

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Originally Posted by cajunfan337

What's wrong with stepping a few feet to burn one down outside?

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It's not about the inconvenience of stepping a few more feet to smoke; it's about the government telling establishments that they HAVE to adopt a certain smoking policy.

It's pure market demand. If the demand is great enough for bars with no smoking policies, these bars will adapt or be run out of business.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

this is such a dumb argument...
smoking is bad for everyone...
pollutes their own body and the ones in close proximity of a smoker...
i have no sympathy for smokers...
no one forced anyone to start smoking...its a choice smokers took upon themselves.

bye bye smoking on campus (and would love all bars to be non-smoking) :)

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Your lack of sympathy is noted. I couldn't care less though.

I was always a considerate smoker. Never smoked indoors even when there were smoking sections. I never smoked in a car with a non smoker. Now it is getting to the point of stupidity. If you want to smoke that's your business. Just don't subject others to the smoke. We are all going to die one way or another. You can be in perfect health and just die of a thousands of reasons. When they find a cure for death please let me know! = - )

The Marine got it right. More Government intervention. Its b*ll____.

Thanks njustice.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

this is such a dumb argument...
smoking is bad for everyone...
pollutes their own body and the ones in close proximity of a smoker...
i have no sympathy for smokers...
no one forced anyone to start smoking...its a choice smokers took upon themselves.

bye bye smoking on campus (and would love all bars to be non-smoking) :)

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Never asked for your sympathy nor your concern about my health. Are you going to decide my dietary habits for me too?

We were told by the tour guide in Amsterdam.......you can smoke a joint outside but not a cigarette or cigar!!!

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

Never asked for your sympathy nor your concern about my health. Are you going to decide my dietary habits for me too?

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if your eating habits affected me...then yes

I'm against public smoking, but there has to be a better or designated places on campus to be able to smoke. As long as I don't have to walk through a cloud of cancer, let em smoke.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

if your eating habits affected me...then yes

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And just as you manufacture excuses of how my smoking outdoors affects you I'm sure you'll manufacture a reason for that too.

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Originally Posted by ulXrunner

I'm against public smoking, but there has to be a better or designated places on campus to be able to smoke. As long as I don't have to walk through a cloud of cancer, let em smoke.

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+a lot

Can we get a consensus on this concept?

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

And just as you manufacture excuses of how my smoking outdoors affects you I'm sure you'll manufacture a reason for that too.

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how you wanna kill yourself slowly is your own choice...but like Monkee and others have said, i would prefer to not walk down a narrow side walk behind someone smoking and have no choice but to inhale the toxic fumes of your personal choice. go smoke in a corner off campus. that is all

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

if your eating habits affected me...then yes

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We all have habits that affect each other. Do you eat fatty or food period? Those can make you obese thus higher insurance. Do you ride a death trap known as a motorcycle? Do you drink alcohol? That can affect everyone with medical costs and DUI's. Do you drive a car? Those things spew cancerous smoke we all breath. Do you eat beef? Cattle raising produce all kinds of harm to the environment. I could go on and on but will not. If you are a smoker, don't be an _____ and subject others to your habit. In short, enjoy your brief time here on Earth. Don't subject others to your habits. That's about it.

Rc90, was that directed to me?
For the record, I don't smoke, never have, and never will.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

Rc90, was that directed to me?
For the record, I don't smoke, never have, and never will.

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RC90 was pointing to the fact that many things a person does/can affect someone's health and finances. This situation is just another example of the nanny state controlling it's subjects under the guise, it knows what's best for you.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

how you wanna kill yourself slowly is your own choice...but like Monkee and others have said, i would prefer to not walk down a narrow side walk behind someone smoking and have no choice but to inhale the toxic fumes of your personal choice. go smoke in a corner off campus. that is all

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But that's the point. It started off with designated smoking areas. Ok, sounded reasonable. But that wasn't good enough. Then it went to smoke free buildings with designated smoking outdoors. Now it's no smoking anywhere. Go off campus you say? The smoker will go off campus and you'll be there _____ing about it. Hell, no the zealots have invented the concept of "third hand smoke" claiming that residual particles on clothing will kill them.

yes there is 3rd hand smoke. these things arent just "invented". studies have shown that there are increased incidences of children developing lung disorders from parents smoking (even when not smoking in their home) common factor being the clothes they wear comes in contact with the children.
god forbid non-smokers are health conscience...

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

Rc90, was that directed to me?
For the record, I don't smoke, never have, and never will.

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Not really. Just about everything you do on this Earth will kill you and someone else can be harmed. Cars spew toxins into the air you breath. You can drive it to ridiculous levels. I believe you should try to live a healthy life and your habit shouldn't be forced upon others but in the end YOU WILL DIE!

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

yes there is 3rd hand smoke. these things arent just "invented". studies have shown that there are increased incidences of children developing lung disorders from parents smoking (even when not smoking in their home) common factor being the clothes they wear comes in contact with the children.
god forbid non-smokers are health conscience...

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Bull____! If those "studies" were on the up and up none of us would have lasted past 1960. The entire baby boom generation grew up around smokers indoors and out. Secondhand smoke didn't wipe us out much less "third hand smoke".

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Originally Posted by RCAJUN90

Not really. Just about everything you do on this Earth will kill you and someone else can be harmed. Cars spew toxins into the air you breath. You can drive it to ridiculous levels. I believe you should try to live a healthy life and your habit shouldn't be forced upon others but in the end YOU WILL DIE!

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Sounds like you have a terminal case of simplessimism

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

Bull____! If those "studies" were on the up and up none of us would have lasted past 1960. The entire baby boom generation grew up around smokers indoors and out. Secondhand smoke didn't wipe us out much less "third hand smoke".

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and ive also taken care of patients and watched them die because they were told smoking wasnt bad for you back then...makes sense right? (and they would never admit that smoking was the cause...even up until their last breath)
i encourage you to watch someone die who smoked all their life...its a dreadful way to watch someone die.
good luck with your logic though, hope it works out for you.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

and ive also taken care of patients and watched them die because they were told smoking wasnt bad for you back then...makes sense right? (and they would never admit that smoking was the cause...even up until their last breath)
i encourage you to watch someone die who smoked all their life...its a dreadful way to watch someone die.
good luck with your logic though, hope it works out for you.

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And how many have you watched die from "second hand smoke" or your new bogeyman "third hand smoke"?

And, yes, I've seen it. I've watched them die of other things too. Just as painful. Just as permanent.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

and ive also taken care of patients and watched them die because they were told smoking wasnt bad for you back then...makes sense right? (and they would never admit that smoking was the cause...even up until their last breath)
i encourage you to watch someone die who smoked all their life...its a dreadful way to watch someone die.
good luck with your logic though, hope it works out for you.

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I hate smoking (cigarettes)... but one of the unintended consequences of disallowing a smoker from smoking in public, is that they will make up for it in closed confines (vehicles, dorms, apartments, etc) where small children will get the brunt of it. I simply do not believe smoking in the great outdoors is where others obtain the effects of second hand smoke. I'd love to figure out ways to eliminate all cigarette smoking. But, when you impose actions to eliminate what I consider to be an annoyance to others, more than a health hazard, you have to consider the unintended consequences. The answer should be adequate designated smoking areas within the campus.

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

yes there is 3rd hand smoke. these things arent just "invented". studies have shown that there are increased incidences of children developing lung disorders from parents smoking (even when not smoking in their home) common factor being the clothes they wear comes in contact with the children.
god forbid non-smokers are health conscience...

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I don't believe lungs were designed for smoking but I seriously doubt the study about "increased incidences."

I'm not bashing your quote, I read it elsewhere and from an authority on the subject. It didn't make sense then or now.

The culture used to be smoke any time any where.

This new culture of mostly segregated smoking by a shrinking portion of the population, simply doesn't allow for "increased incidences"

jmo

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

And how many have you watched die from "second hand smoke" or your new bogeyman "third hand smoke"?

And, yes, I've seen it. I've watched them die of other things too. Just as painful. Just as permanent.

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my point was not that the passive interactions of smoke kill people...it was that just because you dont believe in something doesnt make it "un true" or "B-S". So, just because u dont recognize what the latest research is sayin...doesnt make it "invented" or "BS".

But to answer your question, i have actually witnessed a patient die from "second hand smoke". she never smoked a day in her life but her husband did. and she passed away just like a typical "smoker" would...

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Originally Posted by CajunsHat

my point was not that the passive interactions of smoke kill people...it was that just because you dont believe in something doesnt make it "un true" or "B-S". So, just because u dont recognize what the latest research is sayin...doesnt make it "invented" or "BS".

But to answer your question, i have actually witnessed a patient die from "second hand smoke". she never smoked a day in her life but her husband did. and she passed away just like a typical "smoker" would...

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And once you get your way and smoking is outlawed, what will be your excuse then for people dying of lung cancer? Maybe it will be "residual smoke". Or maybe just the memory of smoke.

And while we are using anecdotal evidence I know a number of lifelong smokers who lived to a ripe old age before arriving at the same destination as every non-smoker. How do you explain that?