Jay Hedgeman won't be back next year.

I was young so dont know much about the JJ Thomas situation but I heard he wanted to play football or what happened with him? I'm not telling, I'm asking

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Originally Posted by Ragin' Caleb

I was young so dont know much about the JJ Thomas situation but I heard he wanted to play football or what happened with him? I'm not telling, I'm asking

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I never heard about JJ Thomas wanting to play football. He and Raymone Andrews had a dispute with the staff and transferred. His brother was scheduled to come here but went to New Mexico. He struggled there. Later, both Thomas brothers admitted they made a mistake in leaving. JJ was never the same player he was after his freshman year due to a bad knee injury. I can assure you Kentwan Smith asked to come back but the administration and basketball staff thought that would set a bad precedent so they declined his request. Finally, as far as mistakes go, Coach Marlin regrets not releasing Andrews after his first year. Had he done so, less issues may have occurred with other guys. Not saying who was right or wrong here, just stating history.

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Originally Posted by Hatch

What I stated was he was one of the most well rounded stat wise here is what I have to back it up.

The only fair way to look at it is by percentages and production per minutes played. I took out anyone who played less than 100 minutes on the year (Plaisance, Mcguire, Marlin, and Broussard) That leaves 11 players (Long, Wright, Washington, Stove, Shepherd, Wronkoski, Walker, Register, Hedgeman, Williams, and Wooten)

Here is how Hedgeman ranked in each of the following statistical categories of those 11.

Points per Minute 6th of 11

Rebounds per Minute 5th of 11

Assists per Minute 3rd of 11

Assist to Turnover ratio 3rd of 11

Steals per Minute 2nd of 11

Blocks per Minute 6th of 11

Free Throw Attempts per Minute 2nd of 11

Free Throw % 6th of 11

Field Goal % 8th of 11

3 point % 8th of 11

Hedgeman's average ranking across the board is a 4.9, Long's was a 4.7. Everyone else was higher.

Now i know certain categories should hold more weight than others, but the point I was trying to make is Hedgeman was well rounded. He did alot of the little things well and compared to everyone else was middle of the pack or above in just about every statistical category.

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Great post Hatch. I agree that in some cases it's more important to look at stats on a per-minute basis. But let's be honest, fg% and 3pt% speak for itself.

Since you're bringing out stats. The other stat I like to look at is the Player Efficiency Rating (PER). It's not perfect, but it does a great job of placing a statistical value on each player.

Shawn Long 23.76
Bryce Washington 12.18
Kasey Shepherd 9.68
Johnathan Stove 8.62
Jay Wright 8.15
Devonta Walker 7.29
Jay Hedgeman 5.79
Steven Wronkoski 4.91
Hayward Register 3
Tyrone Wooten 2.71
Scott Plaisance 2.11
Tiermone Williams 1.48
Elijah McGuire 0.81
Jacob Broussard 0.5
Matt Marlin 0.44

Is Hedge the worst player on the team? Not by a long shot. But if we ever hope to be the team we all hope to be, we'll need someone better than him at the 3 or 4 spot.

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Originally Posted by duggie85

Don't know why, but thought I read or heard somewhere that he contacted the staff asking to return. But, I've been wrong once before.

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Only once? LOL.

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

Great post Hatch. I agree that in some cases it's more important to look at stats on a per-minute basis. But let's be honest, fg% and 3pt% speak for itself.

Since you're bringing out stats. The other stat I like to look at is the Player Efficiency Rating (PER). It's not perfect, but it does a great job of placing a statistical value on each player.

Shawn Long 23.76
Bryce Washington 12.18
Kasey Shepherd 9.68
Johnathan Stove 8.62
Jay Wright 8.15
Devonta Walker 7.29
Jay Hedgeman 5.79
Steven Wronkoski 4.91
Hayward Register 3
Tyrone Wooten 2.71
Scott Plaisance 2.11
Tiermone Williams 1.48
Elijah McGuire 0.81
Jacob Broussard 0.5
Matt Marlin 0.44

Is Hedge the worst player on the team? Not by a long shot. But if we ever hope to be the team we all hope to be, we'll need someone better than him at the 3 or 4 spot.

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He wasn't the worst player by a long shot, but he sure wasn't good enough to become a problem child.

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

Great post Hatch. I agree that in some cases it's more important to look at stats on a per-minute basis. But let's be honest, fg% and 3pt% speak for itself.

Since you're bringing out stats. The other stat I like to look at is the Player Efficiency Rating (PER). It's not perfect, but it does a great job of placing a statistical value on each player.

Shawn Long 23.76
Bryce Washington 12.18
Kasey Shepherd 9.68
Johnathan Stove 8.62
Jay Wright 8.15
Devonta Walker 7.29
Jay Hedgeman 5.79
Steven Wronkoski 4.91
Hayward Register 3
Tyrone Wooten 2.71
Scott Plaisance 2.11
Tiermone Williams 1.48
Elijah McGuire 0.81
Jacob Broussard 0.5
Matt Marlin 0.44

Is Hedge the worst player on the team? Not by a long shot. But if we ever hope to be the team we all hope to be, we'll need someone better than him at the 3 or 4 spot.

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Where did you find this information?

I did not say Hedge was better than players we don't have yet on the team. I said I thought he could have contributed more to help this current team...if given the chance.

If you want a true measure of a player's worth, the best one I have seen is player scoring differential, which measures how well the team does when he plays vs how well they do when he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Duggie35

Only once? LOL.

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Yep. Remember that time??

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Originally Posted by Cajunsmike

I never heard about JJ Thomas wanting to play football. He and Raymone Andrews had a dispute with the staff and transferred. His brother was scheduled to come here but went to New Mexico. He struggled there. Later, both Thomas brothers admitted they made a mistake in leaving. JJ was never the same player he was after his freshman year due to a bad knee injury. I can assure you Kentwan Smith asked to come back but the administration and basketball staff thought that would set a bad precedent so they declined his request. Finally, as far as mistakes go, Coach Marlin regrets not releasing Andrews after his first year. Had he done so, less issues may have occurred with other guys. Not saying who was right or wrong here, just stating history.

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Thanks for the objective insight