A Simple Q for Robert Lee

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Originally Posted by SlappyCajun

Talent does not equal wins. Talent plus getting guys to play hard plus having a good scheme equals wins.

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I totally agree.

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Originally Posted by zephyr

_ No, your point is ludicrous. Actually, what is your point? His assertion that UL and the "talent" level has little to do with the overall record and that is his point. However, by your assertion, Lemoyne would have more talent that Syracuse right? _

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Every school with a losing record and a coach that has been on the job 4+ years has delusional fans that think they have "talent" but deficient coaching. Its the nature of the beast. A new coach will not win the Sun Belt in year one. It will take a couple years of quality recruiting in addition to solid coaching.

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Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan

_ Every school with a losing record and a coach that has been on the job 4+ years has delusional fans that think they have "talent" but deficient coaching. Its the nature of the beast. A new coach will not win the Sun Belt in year one. It will take a couple years of quality recruiting in addition to solid coaching. _

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I tend to agree with you but you have to admit "Talent does not equal wins. Talent plus getting guys to play hard plus having a good scheme equals wins."

Wins does not equal talent. And I think my posts are more objective than yours, so u don't need to call me delusional. Are we as good as we were in 04/05. No. But we have enough talent wo win our division next year. And where did I give u anything that would indicate that Mobile had the most talent in Alabama. Show me the logic that you used to get to that conclusion.

Coaaching is about 1st getting talent. Then you must get those guys to play hard, then u must have a offensive and defensive scheme that works for your talent. What is so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan

Every school with a losing record and a coach that has been on the job 4+ years has delusional fans that think they have "talent" but deficient coaching. Its the nature of the beast. A new coach will not win the Sun Belt in year one. It will take a couple years of quality recruiting in addition to solid coaching.

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igeaux.mobi

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Originally Posted by SlappyCajun

_ Wins does not equal talent. And I think my posts are more objective than yours, so u don't need to call me delusional. Are we as good as we were in 04/05. No. But we have enough talent wo win our division next year. And where did I give u anything that would indicate that Mobile had the most talent in Alabama. Show me the logic that you used to get to that conclusion.

Coaaching is about 1st getting talent. Then you must get those guys to play hard, then u must have a offensive and defensive scheme that works for your talent. What is so hard to understand?

igeaux.mobi _

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It's not hard to understand at all. All you need is a John Wooden or a Dean Smith and UL will win the Sun Belt next year....right?

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Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan

_ Every school with a losing record and a coach that has been on the job 4+ years has delusional fans that think they have "talent" but deficient coaching. Its the nature of the beast. A new coach will not win the Sun Belt in year one. It will take a couple years of quality recruiting in addition to solid coaching. _

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You truly have no idea do you? I get it. You are the LSU transplant fan who hangs around here to stir the pot and put us little UL fans in our place..right? Well, by your logic, if you have a losing record, then you have no talent right? Because, at best, you've been unclear about exactly what it is you are trying to say. The original poster made a simple, objective statement. With better coaching and the nucleus this team has coming back, they COULD be picked to win the West. Nothing more was mentioned about winning the national title, being ranked or anything else that is floating in your membrane. We aint in the Big East. To think that a quality coach that could get the remaining players to actually play as a team and contend for the West crown is anything but delusional. Whether it actually happens is a different story. The core of this team was here several years ago when we won the West and they were all freshmen. Why not when they are seniors and better coached?

Now, I know that I can ignore you.

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Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan

It's not hard to understand at all. All you need is a John Wooden or a Dean Smith and UL will win the Sun Belt next year....right?

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igeaux.mobi

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Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan

_ It's not hard to understand at all. All you need is a John Wooden or a Dean Smith and UL will win the Sun Belt next year....right? _

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Every now and then you have a good comment... but you have 7 or 8 bad ones like this in between.

You know the saddest part of all the Robert Lee posts are how the players are addressed. Those kids are as up in the air as the rest of you. The administration should make it clear what is going on. They hear he is going to be fired before school starts back, possible interim coach, possible he will be there for the rest of season, might be fired, might be rehired. How do you think it effects them. I think they have the talent to win all the games they played so far except beating USM and they were in those games. It is coaching that says run the plays and if you don't you sit and someone else plays. I also think that until coaches realize we have players who are taking plays off and not playing hard up defense and need to be sitting next to them the same thing will happen. Tyren was not playing well Saturday at MTSU. How hard would it of been to simply pull him out let him get his self together and watch what was going on in the game and then send him in with just a little coaching instead of letting him struggle for 39 minutes and be totally exhausted and beating himself up. These kids need to be coached that it is ok to pass the ball and unless you play as a team you don't play. This team is struggling because they need leadership on the court and on the sideline. It is distressing to see the hurt on some of the players when they lose but the acceptance of losing on the others is what really is related straight to coaching.

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Originally Posted by playincajun

_ You know the saddest part of all the Robert Lee posts are how the players are addressed. Those kids are as up in the air as the rest of you. The administration should make it clear what is going on. They hear he is going to be fired before school starts back, possible interim coach, possible he will be there for the rest of season, might be fired, might be rehired. How do you think it effects them. I think they have the talent to win all the games they played so far except beating USM and they were in those games. It is coaching that says run the plays and if you don't you sit and someone else plays. I also think that until coaches realize we have players who are taking plays off and not playing hard up defense and need to be sitting next to them the same thing will happen. Tyren was not playing well Saturday at MTSU. How hard would it of been to simply pull him out let him get his self together and watch what was going on in the game and then send him in with just a little coaching instead of letting him struggle for 39 minutes and be totally exhausted and beating himself up. These kids need to be coached that it is ok to pass the ball and unless you play as a team you don't play. This team is struggling because they need leadership on the court and on the sideline. It is distressing to see the hurt on some of the players when they lose but the acceptance of losing on the others is what really is related straight to coaching. _

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I think you are correct. I know coaching is the main issue here as the trickle down effect from a coach's responsibilities and decisions effect so many things that lead to success or failure. Many here now question the overall talent level on this team but they hardly questioned it 3 years ago when they were winning the West as freshmen. Now they blame the coaches for these players. Some of this is valid however. Gradnigo and Bureau are our two most talented players but among the most inconsistent and also the laziest. Tyren Johnson is our best player and did struggle this past game. However, I disagree that you pull him to get together. A lot of times, it requires a player finding a rhythm in the game to get out of a funk he's in. Gradnigo struggled mightily this season early on but you have to play him in hopes that he finds his game and he's amongst your most talented guys so its hard not to ride him. The problem is simple. When you have guys that aren't giving it their all, it would be great to bench them and play someone else but we have little quality depth and its hard to justify putting in an inferior player. We are not in a good place right now. I feel for coach Lee as I know he doesn't want to be fired but he has failed in unifying this team. The players are also equally to blame as you mentioned, they are playing with little heart and leadership. I also blame the players as it seems obvious that they do little in the offseason to improve their individual game by itself. They have not grown physically and I've heard from several close to the program that they do little to no offseason conditioning to improve. We need hungry players who want to win. I can take a brief period of losing if we have guys who are willing to sacrifice and get better and contribute to this program. At least we would have guys that we can cheer.