Realignment Question

The 11 million figure being used by the PAC is what the new ACC members are getting paid by the ACC for partial shares for the next 7 years. Thats when everything gets reshuffled again.

PAC is wishing, no takers. Greed rides a blind horse.

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

It very well could, but the PAC could also fall apart in a few years.

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So could the Sun Belt. Might as well triple revenues while you can

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

We are getting schooled and look like a high school team. Need to study the game film and learn how to run an offense. Then again, there is 15 years of this crappy basketball with Marlin that will never change.

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No way a good BB conference takes a program with no commitment or coaching!

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

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Guess I missed it then.

Just spit balling. . . Let's say there's a PAC invite if we want it. Can't see us going out west alone. Who goes with us from the south since the PAC and MWC seem to have run out of decent candidates to poach out west? Will be more attractive if at least four move together. But will it be more attractive to TV networks. . . I have no idea. The AAC exit fees are pretty stiff so study potential SBC West schools. Candidates: TX St, who seriously wants to surpass UTSA? Its shocking how far So. Miss football has fallen since 2012. And still uncompetitive in SBC. Maybe this is their moonshot back to football relevance? Same goes for Arkansas St. A four PAC deal of Louisiana, TX St., Ark St., and So. Miss to PAC makes for a central time zone TV window games and regional travel pod. Have read the new PAC hasn't announced which Olympic sports it will sponsor, but to save travel expense if possible only basketball, baseball, softball, T & F compete in the PAC. Park others like tennis, golf, volleyball in a southern regional conference that will take them in. Boom! The PAC 12 consists of 12 members again, the #1 overall G6 conference.

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Originally Posted by ColaCajun

A lot of things would improve with the move to Pac12. For one, I'd bet that ticket sales would increase with a better football and basketball home conference schedule. Having Gonzaga and SDSU coming to the Cajundome every year or every other year would be huge. Secondly, we'd get the 'SBC' narrative off our back when it comes to scheduling. Our basketball profile would increase being in a multi-bid league and we'd probably have an easier time scheduling quality home opponents with a stronger strength of schedule.

And if Memphis would join soon after us, then we'd throw Memphis into the fold of basketball home opponents.

Media money + increase in ticket sales = Happy Cajuns

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Yeah, well the great equalizer in basketball is Bob __'in Marlin. I dont care how much money they throw at the program. He's coaching against teams with the same budget. If yall think the loss to Houston was bad.....wait until we step on the court with a team like Gonzaga. Besides, that TV deal sucks. Not a chance I'd jump on that ship. Unstable, and teams aren't exactly running to join. Too much shake-up left in realignment to marry yourself to a situation like that. Thanks, but no thanks.

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Originally Posted by JamesTheJeweler

… that TV deal sucks. Not a chance I'd jump on that ship. Unstable, and teams aren't exactly running to join. Too much shake-up left in realignment to marry yourself to a situation like that. Thanks, but no thanks.

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Ah, a businessman’s view.

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Originally Posted by Duckster

Just spit balling. . . Let's say there's a PAC invite if we want it. Can't see us going out west alone. Who goes with us from the south since the PAC and MWC seem to have run out of decent candidates to poach out west? Will be more attractive if at least four move together. But will it be more attractive to TV networks. . . I have no idea. The AAC exit fees are pretty stiff so study potential SBC West schools. Candidates: TX St, who seriously wants to surpass UTSA? Its shocking how far So. Miss football has fallen since 2012. And still uncompetitive in SBC. Maybe this is their moonshot back to football relevance? Same goes for Arkansas St. A four PAC deal of Louisiana, TX St., Ark St., and So. Miss to PAC makes for a central time zone TV window games and regional travel pod. Have read the new PAC hasn't announced which Olympic sports it will sponsor, but to save travel expense if possible only basketball, baseball, softball, T & F compete in the PAC. Park others like tennis, golf, volleyball in a southern regional conference that will take them in. Boom! The PAC 12 consists of 12 members again, the #1 overall G6 conference.

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Good questions. Does joining the new PAC whatever get our program closer to the P5 dream? The obvious answer is no, and $7M is not worth the move if new members would not even get a full share the first 3 years. But we've had this discussion already. There is no real number at this point for a conference media package and it's not clear if new members would have to accept a lower share the first 3 years.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Good questions. Does joining the new PAC whatever get our program closer to the P5 dream? The obvious answer is no, and $7M is not worth the move if new members would not even get a full share the first 3 years. But we've had this discussion already. There is no real number at this point for a conference media package and it's not clear if new members would have to accept a lower share the first 3 years.

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Spot on, and the other side of this is in 3 years, you think WSU and OSU will give up their bloated share to a MWC level funding?

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Good questions. Does joining the new PAC whatever get our program closer to the P5 dream? The obvious answer is no, and $7M is not worth the move if new members would not even get a full share the first 3 years. But we've had this discussion already. There is no real number at this point for a conference media package and it's not clear if new members would have to accept a lower share the first 3 years.

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Only makes sense if it would include:

Memphis
Tulane
Louisiana
TxSt

But we know it won’t, so it’s a non-starter. I disagree with it not positioning us for a P4 move.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

... Does joining the new PAC whatever get our program closer to the P5 dream?..

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Anything that establishes you as a mover and a shaker beyond the staus quo gets you closer.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

Anything that establishes you as a mover and a shaker beyond the staus quo gets you closer.

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Not always: LaTech -> WAC

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Originally Posted by RedTails

Not always: LaTech -> WAC

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….Just wondering if y’all think that Monroe has passed Ltur as the North La school of choice… not sure of enrollment, academic standards, athletics recently???

Ten years ago towards the end of 'peak' Hud, I thought it were possible in 20 years maybe we could be in a position to get into some rendition of Big 12/SWC. No longer. I grossly underestimated the high level of greed and ruthlessness of the upper echelon of CFB. Only UCF has managed to climb into a Power conference that wasn't previously in one. That door seems nailed shut. The question is now what do we do? SBC has come a long way but seems pretty near its ceiling. Personally I favor AAC due to geography of most members plus the service academies. AAC not what it once was nor is the new PAC. But the thought of remaining in the SBC another 10 years that becomes maybe another 20 years is uninspiring. There is no perfect situation, only better options to explore.

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Originally Posted by Duckster

Only UCF has managed to climb into a Power conference that wasn't previously in one.

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Also Houston, Cincinnati, BYU and SMU

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Originally Posted by Duckster

Ten years ago towards the end of 'peak' Hud, I thought it were possible in 20 years maybe we could be in a position to get into some rendition of Big 12/SWC. No longer. I grossly underestimated the high level of greed and ruthlessness of the upper echelon of CFB. Only UCF has managed to climb into a Power conference that wasn't previously in one. That door seems nailed shut. The question is now what do we do? SBC has come a long way but seems pretty near its ceiling. Personally I favor AAC due to geography of most members plus the service academies. AAC not what it once was nor is the new PAC. But the thought of remaining in the SBC another 10 years that becomes maybe another 20 years is uninspiring. There is no perfect situation, only better options to explore.

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I agree that the Sun Belt Conference is uninspiring. The SBC has improved its image primarily with the addition of Eastern schools like Marshall, App State and James Madison.
However, IMO, it still carries a stigma of a lesser conference like CUSA and the MAC. Playing conference schools like USA, Troy, ULM, GA Southern, ODU, and Coastal just don't move the needle for most fans, especially those who have longed to see UL in a higher level conference and not just the status quo every year. The problem is how do you get there. There are very few options left for schools to move up. For UL, there is the AAC and the PAC 12. Even the AAC has teams wanting to leave like Tulane and Memphis and other schools that have already moved up to greener pastures like Houston, Cincinnati and SMU.

The conference with the most potential is the PAC 12. It has already been a P5 conference and has 2 P5 conference members in Washington State and Oregon State. Adding Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State and Utah State + Gonzaga make it a strong conference and what other schools they add will determine P5 status consideration. It is just a matter of time before other MWC schools join. Once that happens to entrance into the conference will be closed. Then, what is left?

The money has to be there to justify the move and the added travel expenses involved for spring sports. Is a cost of a flight to the West Coast that much greater than to the East Coast. Having at least 1 travel partner in Texas State is imperative. This might move Tulane and Memphis to also move to create a more Eastern division. And, if we can get the PAC 12 to play more West Coast day games, that would give the conference more prime time exposure and would enable fans to watch UL on tv at 6:00 instead of 9:00.

If the Big 12 can add 4 G5 schools and still be a P5 conference, why can't the PAC 12 add schools to existing P5 members and still be a P5 conference? It would certainly be head and shoulders above the other G5 conferences and with expanded playoffs, who knows. If we continue to win, we will be back in the Top 25 with high visibility. It may be our best and only shot to a higher level conference. Once the stadium is completed, we will have among the best G5 facilities in the country and certainly in line with PAC 5 facilities.

I don't think such a move along with Texas State should be so readily dismissed. If Tulane and Memphis make such a move before us, we will be relegated to the SBC or the AAC. But at that point, Army & Navy could return to Independent status as the AAC will have lost all of its top teams in SMU, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulane and Memphis. A move to the AAC would not be much of an improvement to the SBC.

UL has made huge academic strides and is now an R1 university. Maybe it is time to make a commitment to our fans and take athletics to R1 level status as well and change the direction of UL athletics. Let's at the very least seriously explore this possibility.

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

I agree that the Sun Belt Conference is uninspiring. The SBC has improved its image primarily with the addition of Eastern schools like Marshall, App State and James Madison.
However, IMO, it still carries a stigma of a lesser conference like CUSA and the MAC. Playing conference schools like USA, Troy, ULM, GA Southern, ODU, and Coastal just don't move the needle for most fans, especially those who have longed to see UL in a higher level conference and not just the status quo every year. The problem is how do you get there. There are very few options left for schools to move up. For UL, there is the AAC and the PAC 12. Even the AAC has teams wanting to leave like Tulane and Memphis and other schools that have already moved up to greener pastures like Houston, Cincinnati and SMU.

The conference with the most potential is the PAC 12. It has already been a P5 conference and has 2 P5 conference members in Washington State and Oregon State. Adding Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State and Utah State + Gonzaga make it a strong conference and what other schools they add will determine P5 status consideration. It is just a matter of time before other MWC schools join. Once that happens to entrance into the conference will be closed. Then, what is left?

The money has to be there to justify the move and the added travel expenses involved for spring sports. Is a cost of a flight to the West Coast that much greater than to the East Coast. Having at least 1 travel partner in Texas State is imperative. This might move Tulane and Memphis to also move to create a more Eastern division. And, if we can get the PAC 12 to play more West Coast day games, that would give the conference more prime time exposure and would enable fans to watch UL on tv at 6:00 instead of 9:00.

If the Big 12 can add 4 G5 schools and still be a P5 conference, why can't the PAC 12 add schools to existing P5 members and still be a P5 conference? It would certainly be head and shoulders above the other G5 conferences and with expanded playoffs, who knows. If we continue to win, we will be back in the Top 25 with high visibility. It may be our best and only shot to a higher level conference. Once the stadium is completed, we will have among the best G5 facilities in the country and certainly in line with PAC 5 facilities.

I don't think such a move along with Texas State should be so readily dismissed. If Tulane and Memphis make such a move before us, we will be relegated to the SBC or the AAC. But at that point, Army & Navy could return to Independent status as the AAC will have lost all of its top teams in SMU, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulane and Memphis. A move to the AAC would not be much of an improvement to the SBC.

UL has made huge academic strides and is now an R1 university. Maybe it is time to make a commitment to our fans and take athletics to R1 level status as well and change the direction of UL athletics. Let's at the very least seriously explore this possibility.

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Well damn.....I think you just changed my mind. There's a glitch in the matrix.

And what if it was PAC14 with 7 east schools and 7 western? 6 division opponents.

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

I agree that the Sun Belt Conference is uninspiring. The SBC has improved its image primarily with the addition of Eastern schools like Marshall, App State and James Madison.
However, IMO, it still carries a stigma of a lesser conference like CUSA and the MAC. Playing conference schools like USA, Troy, ULM, GA Southern, ODU, and Coastal just don't move the needle for most fans, especially those who have longed to see UL in a higher level conference and not just the status quo every year. The problem is how do you get there. There are very few options left for schools to move up. For UL, there is the AAC and the PAC 12. Even the AAC has teams wanting to leave like Tulane and Memphis and other schools that have already moved up to greener pastures like Houston, Cincinnati and SMU.

The conference with the most potential is the PAC 12. It has already been a P5 conference and has 2 P5 conference members in Washington State and Oregon State. Adding Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State and Utah State + Gonzaga make it a strong conference and what other schools they add will determine P5 status consideration. It is just a matter of time before other MWC schools join. Once that happens to entrance into the conference will be closed. Then, what is left?

The money has to be there to justify the move and the added travel expenses involved for spring sports. Is a cost of a flight to the West Coast that much greater than to the East Coast. Having at least 1 travel partner in Texas State is imperative. This might move Tulane and Memphis to also move to create a more Eastern division. And, if we can get the PAC 12 to play more West Coast day games, that would give the conference more prime time exposure and would enable fans to watch UL on tv at 6:00 instead of 9:00.

If the Big 12 can add 4 G5 schools and still be a P5 conference, why can't the PAC 12 add schools to existing P5 members and still be a P5 conference? It would certainly be head and shoulders above the other G5 conferences and with expanded playoffs, who knows. If we continue to win, we will be back in the Top 25 with high visibility. It may be our best and only shot to a higher level conference. Once the stadium is completed, we will have among the best G5 facilities in the country and certainly in line with PAC 5 facilities.

I don't think such a move along with Texas State should be so readily dismissed. If Tulane and Memphis make such a move before us, we will be relegated to the SBC or the AAC. But at that point, Army & Navy could return to Independent status as the AAC will have lost all of its top teams in SMU, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulane and Memphis. A move to the AAC would not be much of an improvement to the SBC.

UL has made huge academic strides and is now an R1 university. Maybe it is time to make a commitment to our fans and take athletics to R1 level status as well and change the direction of UL athletics. Let's at the very least seriously explore this possibility.

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You get it.

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Originally Posted by CajunJack55

Also Houston, Cincinnati, BYU and SMU

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Add TCU to your list

do posters here really think that Dr. Maggard is not considering everything posted here and is not working as diligently as he can, within the financial constraint's he is under, to get any of this done if there is a reasonable and practical avenue to get it done?

. . . serious answers only . . .

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

I agree that the Sun Belt Conference is uninspiring. The SBC has improved its image primarily with the addition of Eastern schools like Marshall, App State and James Madison.
However, IMO, it still carries a stigma of a lesser conference like CUSA and the MAC. Playing conference schools like USA, Troy, ULM, GA Southern, ODU, and Coastal just don't move the needle for most fans, especially those who have longed to see UL in a higher level conference and not just the status quo every year. The problem is how do you get there. There are very few options left for schools to move up. For UL, there is the AAC and the PAC 12. Even the AAC has teams wanting to leave like Tulane and Memphis and other schools that have already moved up to greener pastures like Houston, Cincinnati and SMU.

The conference with the most potential is the PAC 12. It has already been a P5 conference and has 2 P5 conference members in Washington State and Oregon State. Adding Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State and Utah State + Gonzaga make it a strong conference and what other schools they add will determine P5 status consideration. It is just a matter of time before other MWC schools join. Once that happens to entrance into the conference will be closed. Then, what is left?

The money has to be there to justify the move and the added travel expenses involved for spring sports. Is a cost of a flight to the West Coast that much greater than to the East Coast. Having at least 1 travel partner in Texas State is imperative. This might move Tulane and Memphis to also move to create a more Eastern division. And, if we can get the PAC 12 to play more West Coast day games, that would give the conference more prime time exposure and would enable fans to watch UL on tv at 6:00 instead of 9:00.

If the Big 12 can add 4 G5 schools and still be a P5 conference, why can't the PAC 12 add schools to existing P5 members and still be a P5 conference? It would certainly be head and shoulders above the other G5 conferences and with expanded playoffs, who knows. If we continue to win, we will be back in the Top 25 with high visibility. It may be our best and only shot to a higher level conference. Once the stadium is completed, we will have among the best G5 facilities in the country and certainly in line with PAC 5 facilities.

I don't think such a move along with Texas State should be so readily dismissed. If Tulane and Memphis make such a move before us, we will be relegated to the SBC or the AAC. But at that point, Army & Navy could return to Independent status as the AAC will have lost all of its top teams in SMU, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulane and Memphis. A move to the AAC would not be much of an improvement to the SBC.

UL has made huge academic strides and is now an R1 university. Maybe it is time to make a commitment to our fans and take athletics to R1 level status as well and change the direction of UL athletics. Let's at the very least seriously explore this possibility.

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That is your perception of the SBC. Being an ESPN property has significantly increased the value and reputation of the SBC.

We alternate with the AAC as the best of the rest leagues.

I do not disagree that the PAC would be a good move if it included Memphis, Tulane, UL and UTSA/TxSt.

But that is only if we can park our spring sports in the Big 12. The MWC/PAC would be a huge drop off for baseball and softball.

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Originally Posted by cajun4life

That is your perception of the SBC. Being an ESPN property has significantly increased the value and reputation of the SBC.

We alternate with the AAC as the best of the rest leagues.

I do not disagree that the PAC would be a good move if it included Memphis, Tulane, UL and UTSA/TxSt.

But that is only if we can park our spring sports in the Big 12. The MWC/PAC would be a huge drop off for baseball and softball.

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Don't disagree with you in regards of a slightly weaker Baseball/Softball and we all know the value of both of those sports here at UL. I'd argue that Fresno State, SDSU and Oregon State Baseball/Softball are very strong conference opponents. But the real question is that are you willing going to sacrifice a better move for the university and athletics department as a whole at the expense of Baseball and Softball? Not trying to trash our diamond sports, but in the overall dynamic of college athletics, Football and Men's Basketball are revenue generating sports. Maybe not here specifically, but not joining if offered and letting the opportunity pass would not be great for UL down the road.

I hate the way college athletics is going now especially with Conference Realignment. There absolutely needs to be regional based leagues. There are enough schools in Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee to do that; however that's wishful thinking. I remember how devastating it was to be passed up in 2012 when CUSA gobbled up SBC schools. Even though SBC is 10x better than CUSA is now, perception is a big deal and at the time, it felt like we simply weren't good enough. If things continue to realign like they are, I don't think the SBC will be as strong in the future as it is now in any sport. It would be an adjustment moving to the PAC, but it's time to adjust or get left behind and I'm tired of feeling left behind.

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Originally Posted by ColaCajun

Don't disagree with you in regards of a slightly weaker Baseball/Softball and we all know the value of both of those sports here at UL. I'd argue that Fresno State, SDSU and Oregon State Baseball/Softball are very strong conference opponents. But the real question is that are you willing going to sacrifice a better move for the university and athletics department as a whole at the expense of Baseball and Softball? Not trying to trash our diamond sports, but in the overall dynamic of college athletics, Football and Men's Basketball are revenue generating sports. Maybe not here specifically, but not joining if offered and letting the opportunity pass would not be great for UL down the road.

I hate the way college athletics is going now especially with Conference Realignment. There absolutely needs to be regional based leagues. There are enough schools in Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee to do that; however that's wishful thinking. I remember how devastating it was to be passed up in 2012 when CUSA gobbled up SBC schools. Even though SBC is 10x better than CUSA is now, perception is a big deal and at the time, it felt like we simply weren't good enough. If things continue to realign like they are, I don't think the SBC will be as strong in the future as it is now in any sport. It would be an adjustment moving to the PAC, but it's time to adjust or get left behind and I'm tired of feeling left behind.

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No you don’t sacrifice it. But you make every single effort to park the spring sports in the Big 12 because then you already have a foot in the door.

Plus our spring sports would actually strengthen the Big 12. Our facilities are already sufficient for the Big 12.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

do posters here really think that Dr. Maggard is not considering everything posted here and is not working as diligently as he can, within the financial constraint's he is under, to get any of this done if there is a reasonable and practical avenue to get it done?

. . . serious answers only . . .

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Your serious answer can be found by reviewing his participation in letting the basketball program slide into oblivian while presenting inaccurate numbers to prop it up.