Welp, we all knew this day was coming

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

Wait, what undefeated teams will come to Cajun Basin that are not already coming now?

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There will be 240 open dates added to the first four weeks of the season that the breakaways won't be padding their schedule with.

I know some believe scheduling is hard work not worth doing, but its about to get a lot easier.

A lot of those teams will be undefeated deep into to season.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

and what will they replace the money with . . .

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For one, the TV contract will increase.

Secondly when you have 4-1 or 5-0 teams coming in to face a 5-0 or 4-1 Louisiana team, there will be more than $250,000 increase in revenues at home games that will offset the $1.5 mil currently earned in appearance fees.

If you don't believe me, wait and see the attendance numbers for the ULM game if both teams, stay on their current course.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

There will be 240 open dates added to the first four weeks of the season that the breakaways won't be padding their schedule with.

I know some believe scheduling is hard work not worth doing, but its about to get a lot easier.

A lot of those teams will be undefeated deep into to season.

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for every game that a P4 now beats a G5, there will still be a G5 loss . . .

Remember, this is a proposal by Disney, for all of the P4. This is not what has been going on. The Big10 and the SEC have been cherry picking others to create the P2. I have a hard time believing they will now relent and share money with the other P conferences. A poster on the conference realignment board had a similar take that makes sense:

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The SEC and Big Ten can get there on their own:

1) Create more TV event games by eliminating FCS or G5 games.that adds up to 3 (for B1G) or 4 (for SEC) better match-ups per team for media partners.

2) Consolidate media negotiations for the two conferences.take negotiating leverage back from the broadcasters/media.

3) Create inter-conference scheduling and payout tiers based on brands and on-field success

a) Tier 1 gets the highest payouts. This group consists of 8 SEC teams and 8 Big Ten teams.

b) Tier 2 is the balance of teams and payouts which are comparable to current B1G & SEC forecasts.

4) Allow movement within tiers based on on-field success (other than permanent members).

The structure would entice the blue blood programs (Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State and USC) while providing floor guarantees to the rest of the SEC and Big Ten.

IMO, Sankey and Petitti will implement this structure to maintain individual control of their respective conferences and to keep out PE from getting their filthy hands on an ongoing share of the revenue. The specific ideas make sense for generating more revenue.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

for every game that a P4 now beats a G5, there will still be a G5 loss . . .

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Yes and "a" G5 win.

Meaning the G5 will be adding 30 wins every week for the first four weeks of the season.

120 wins added before conference play begins.

On the other hand the 70 breakaways will be adding 35 losses weekly to their current totals.

One group will be losing fan interest, one will be gaining.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

How is the money G5’s have been making year in and year out on money games going to be replaced . . . will hang up and listen . . .

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Why are you stuck on pointing out the obvious? Do you think we can avoid this loss in revenue? If they go through with this, we will lose money games, as will every other G school.

We can cry into our coush coush all we want. It wont change things, or we can be positive and start brainstorming now on how we can turn this into a positive.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

If that is the case, the "Main Stay" group should quit scheduling the breakaways as fast as possible exposing the .500 club

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Agree, but at the same time, as long as the P2 money spigot is open, NOBODY is walking away.

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

Agree, but at the same time, as long as the P2 money spigot is open, NOBODY is walking away.

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Knowing that long term is not the focus, you are spot on.

Is it wishful thinking for Louisiana to start "scheduling" the best G5 brands TODAY for 2031 and beyond? Before the rush.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

Knowing that long term is not the focus, you are spot on.

Is it wishful thinking for Louisiana to start "scheduling" the best G5 brands TODAY for 2031 and beyond? Before the rush.

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We already have, it’s called the Sun Belt. Hey oh!!!

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

for every game that a P4 now beats a G5, there will still be a G5 loss . . .

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Don't get distracted by the dollars.

I mentioned a game-theory analysis of the situation elsewhere. Here's the thing we need to remember: Football is a zero sum game. At the end of a season, the number of W's will equal the number of L's… exactly.

Which leads to an unexpected insight: the P5-4-3 want to control all of the W's. But they can't because we control most of the L's. If the game splits into Px and Gx, half of the Px will instantly suffer losing records.

At the same time, over half of the Gx will have better than winning records. That's because we will still play teams from 1AA, so our cumulative records will be 55-60% or so. We will expend less money (just as was true for the old AFL v the NFL) but it doesn't matter, more of us will have better records, and we will start to produce teams with great records, even more undefeateds.

Before continuing, I also need to point out that money won't seal the deal for a lot of players. If you play baseball from the time you're 10, you'll probably get playing time in over 700 games by the time you graduate college. For football, it may be less than 80, particularly if you don't start as a freshman in HS or college. Well, if you want to go pro, game experience is critical. The Px can't give you that, but if you are a standout, the Gx can.

And then there will be the outstanding players who want a real education, and who don't want to play with hired thugs who don't go to class, and who do all manner of questionable things. Because when the Px go completely pro, their programs will degrade into homes for social misfits who excel at a pointless game.

Finally, the athletics-over-all-else mentality will undermine the academic reputations of the Px schools. Once the Px and Gx are totally separated, there will be no direct athletic comparisons, but there will still be academic comparisons. Remember, UL has passed up LSU, 'Bama, and several other schools in research funding, and we will pass more of them in the future. Other academic disparities will emerge. And the constant scandals from the Px will reinforce the message that they are more reformatory than laboratory.

So, our records will improve, but theirs will decline. They will whine, "You don't play anybody." We will respond, "You're afraid to play us."

With time, the two sides will have to settle the matter; remember, the big money wants, it pathologically needs, bragging rights. So the two sides will eventually establish a championship game, a college superbowl. And just like the early Superbowls, the NFL will dominate. They're bigger, and they pay more.

But there will be upsets. And with time, parity will emerge.

Like I said, the administrators at the big schools are clueless bozos.

[Hey Turb, the software here won't allow a dot-dot-dot for an ellipsis it converts it to a single period. Makes it hard, I had to find the ASCII, … ]

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Originally Posted by CajunFun

Don't get distracted by the dollars.

I mentioned a game-theory analysis of the situation elsewhere. Here's the thing we need to remember: Football is a zero sum game. At the end of a season, the number of W's will equal the number of L's… exactly.

Which leads to an unexpected insight: the P5-4-3 want to control all of the W's. But they can't because we control most of the L's. If the game splits into Px and Gx, half of the Px will instantly suffer losing records.

At the same time, over half of the Gx will have better than winning records. That's because we will still play teams from 1AA, so our cumulative records will be 55-60% or so. We will expend less money (just as was true for the old AFL v the NFL) but it doesn't matter, more of us will have better records, and we will start to produce teams with great records, even more undefeateds.

Before continuing, I also need to point out that money won't seal the deal for a lot of players. If you play baseball from the time you're 10, you'll probably get playing time in over 700 games by the time you graduate college. For football, it may be less than 80, particularly if you don't start as a freshman in HS or college. Well, if you want to go pro, game experience is critical. The Px can't give you that, but if you are a standout, the Gx can.

And then there will be the outstanding players who want a real education, and who don't want to play with hired thugs who don't go to class, and who do all manner of questionable things. Because when the Px go completely pro, their programs will degrade into homes for social misfits who excel at a pointless game.

Finally, the athletics-over-all-else mentality will undermine the academic reputations of the Px schools. Once the Px and Gx are totally separated, there will be no direct athletic comparisons, but there will still be academic comparisons. Remember, UL has passed up LSU, 'Bama, and several other schools in research funding, and we will pass more of them in the future. Other academic disparities will emerge. And the constant scandals from the Px will reinforce the message that they are more reformatory than laboratory.

So, our records will improve, but theirs will decline. They will whine, "You don't play anybody." We will respond, "You're afraid to play us."

With time, the two sides will have to settle the matter; remember, the big money wants, it pathologically needs, bragging rights. So the two sides will eventually establish a championship game, a college superbowl. And just like the early Superbowls, the NFL will dominate. They're bigger, and they pay more.

But there will be upsets. And with time, parity will emerge.

Like I said, the administrators at the big schools are clueless bozos.

[Hey Turb, the software here won't allow a dot-dot-dot for an ellipsis it converts it to a single period. Makes it hard, I had to find the ASCII, … ]

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I would love for this to be the path forward however I don’t see how we manage the financial bridge through the loss of pay games, increase in TV contract and increase in attendance . . . as a realist, I have seen no answers to those questions/funding issues which can be relied upon . . .

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

I would love for this to be the path forward however I don’t see how we manage the financial bridge through the loss of pay games, increase in TV contract and increase in attendance . . . as a realist, I have seen no answers to those questions/funding issues which can be relied upon . . .

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$250,000 per home game is the hurdle.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

$250,000 per home game is the hurdle.

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drill down on specific revenue that will account for a positive $250,000 per home game . . . don’t forget to subtract the payoffs to play McNeese and Southeastern . . .

That would just leave the rest of us as the only real college football left. Then the NCAA hopefully can snatch the branding from them so they can eat themselves alive. Eventually, the lower level schools will have no choice but to come crawling back. It sounds good on paper for them until you realize nobody watches semi-pro athletics,which is basically what it would be.

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Originally Posted by FeelDaRage

That would just leave the rest of us as the only real college football left. Then the NCAA hopefully can snatch the branding from them so they can eat themselves alive. Eventually, the lower level schools will have no choice but to come crawling back. It sounds good on paper for them until you realize nobody watches semi-pro athletics,which is basically what it would be.

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Exactly. No matter how big SEC financiers think their britches are, they will never outbid the NFL for talent.

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

Quote, “ The new proposal, however, would eliminate all games against current Group of Five and FCS teams. The 70 schools would be shopped as a single-entity media rights package. It is not immediately clear which 70 schools would be included”.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...quity-backing/

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Unfortunately, this is no surprise to a number of us who have been discussing it now for over a decade. They may start out with 70 programs, but their greed will not end there especially with the low hanging fruit of P5 conferences. I still believe it may be 60 or less when ligation is done. Their greed has no boundaries.

When some people became excited over the expansion of the playoffs, I warned them then that this was not to include the G5 best, but to expand the number of programs from the power conferences like the SEC and Big 10 primarily.

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Originally Posted by CajunFun

Don't get distracted by the dollars.

I mentioned a game-theory analysis of the situation elsewhere. Here's the thing we need to remember: Football is a zero sum game. At the end of a season, the number of W's will equal the number of L's… exactly.

Which leads to an unexpected insight: the P5-4-3 want to control all of the W's. But they can't because we control most of the L's. If the game splits into Px and Gx, half of the Px will instantly suffer losing records.

At the same time, over half of the Gx will have better than winning records. That's because we will still play teams from 1AA, so our cumulative records will be 55-60% or so. We will expend less money (just as was true for the old AFL v the NFL) but it doesn't matter, more of us will have better records, and we will start to produce teams with great records, even more undefeateds.

Before continuing, I also need to point out that money won't seal the deal for a lot of players. If you play baseball from the time you're 10, you'll probably get playing time in over 700 games by the time you graduate college. For football, it may be less than 80, particularly if you don't start as a freshman in HS or college. Well, if you want to go pro, game experience is critical. The Px can't give you that, but if you are a standout, the Gx can.

And then there will be the outstanding players who want a real education, and who don't want to play with hired thugs who don't go to class, and who do all manner of questionable things. Because when the Px go completely pro, their programs will degrade into homes for social misfits who excel at a pointless game.

Finally, the athletics-over-all-else mentality will undermine the academic reputations of the Px schools. Once the Px and Gx are totally separated, there will be no direct athletic comparisons, but there will still be academic comparisons. Remember, UL has passed up LSU, 'Bama, and several other schools in research funding, and we will pass more of them in the future. Other academic disparities will emerge. And the constant scandals from the Px will reinforce the message that they are more reformatory than laboratory.

So, our records will improve, but theirs will decline. They will whine, "You don't play anybody." We will respond, "You're afraid to play us."

With time, the two sides will have to settle the matter; remember, the big money wants, it pathologically needs, bragging rights. So the two sides will eventually establish a championship game, a college superbowl. And just like the early Superbowls, the NFL will dominate. They're bigger, and they pay more.

But there will be upsets. And with time, parity will emerge.

Like I said, the administrators at the big schools are clueless bozos.

[Hey Turb, the software here won't allow a dot-dot-dot for an ellipsis it converts it to a single period. Makes it hard, I had to find the ASCII, … ]

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1000% agree with this statement. This want happen overnight but this will play out in time everything you just stated.

4 divisions (whoops I mean “conferences”), each with 12-15 teams. Establish some mode of profit sharing and a salary cap, and you have NFL lite. Down to employment contracts that control free agency (I’m sorry, the portal). Except people get to pretend the teams have some actual relation to their school.

The NFL is otherworldly profitable. Why not copy it.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Unfortunately, this is no surprise to a number of us who have been discussing it now for over a decade. They may start out with 70 programs, but their greed will not end there especially with the low hanging fruit of P5 conferences. I still believe it may be 60 or less when ligation is done. Their greed has no boundaries.

When some people became excited over the expansion of the playoffs, I warned them then that this was not to include the G5 best, but to expand the number of programs from the power conferences like the SEC and Big 10 primarily.

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Yeah, maybe another half dozen or so from both B12 & ACC to fill in 'market gaps' plus Notre Dame to go with the 34 in B10/SEC and they're at 48 teams/schools making their own playoff. They could surprise us and include all the B12/ACC schools, but as you stated the greed knows no bounds. P4 will still like scheduling G6 schools to pad the win columns.

Is the “Rudy” supposed to be funny? Naming an elitist separation after college football’s theatrical underdog?

SEC and Big10 not interested…today. It was also stated the PAC is officially dead in a roundabout way. The A4.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...private-equity

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Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

SEC and Big10 not interested…today. It was also stated the PAC is officially dead in a roundabout way. The A4.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...private-equity

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In February, the SEC and Big Ten announced the formation of a joint advisory group, and this one-day meeting at the Grand Hyatt was a continuation of that -- albeit with legal counsel present to make sure both conferences weren't crossing any lines that could be construed as collusion.

"Our legal counsel is very skilled at this point in defining the boundaries of what we can talk about and what we cannot talk about," SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said.

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Oh, we're worried about collusion, who knew? They must think those of us watching this must be absolute idiots.

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Originally Posted by CajunFun

Don't get distracted by the dollars.

I mentioned a game-theory analysis of the situation elsewhere. Here's the thing we need to remember: Football is a zero sum game. At the end of a season, the number of W's will equal the number of L's… exactly.

Which leads to an unexpected insight: the P5-4-3 want to control all of the W's. But they can't because we control most of the L's. If the game splits into Px and Gx, half of the Px will instantly suffer losing records.

At the same time, over half of the Gx will have better than winning records. That's because we will still play teams from 1AA, so our cumulative records will be 55-60% or so. We will expend less money (just as was true for the old AFL v the NFL) but it doesn't matter, more of us will have better records, and we will start to produce teams with great records, even more undefeateds.

Before continuing, I also need to point out that money won't seal the deal for a lot of players. If you play baseball from the time you're 10, you'll probably get playing time in over 700 games by the time you graduate college. For football, it may be less than 80, particularly if you don't start as a freshman in HS or college. Well, if you want to go pro, game experience is critical. The Px can't give you that, but if you are a standout, the Gx can.

And then there will be the outstanding players who want a real education, and who don't want to play with hired thugs who don't go to class, and who do all manner of questionable things. Because when the Px go completely pro, their programs will degrade into homes for social misfits who excel at a pointless game.

Finally, the athletics-over-all-else mentality will undermine the academic reputations of the Px schools. Once the Px and Gx are totally separated, there will be no direct athletic comparisons, but there will still be academic comparisons. Remember, UL has passed up LSU, 'Bama, and several other schools in research funding, and we will pass more of them in the future. Other academic disparities will emerge. And the constant scandals from the Px will reinforce the message that they are more reformatory than laboratory.

So, our records will improve, but theirs will decline. They will whine, "You don't play anybody." We will respond, "You're afraid to play us."

With time, the two sides will have to settle the matter; remember, the big money wants, it pathologically needs, bragging rights. So the two sides will eventually establish a championship game, a college superbowl. And just like the early Superbowls, the NFL will dominate. They're bigger, and they pay more.

But there will be upsets. And with time, parity will emerge.

Like I said, the administrators at the big schools are clueless bozos.

[Hey Turb, the software here won't allow a dot-dot-dot for an ellipsis it converts it to a single period. Makes it hard, I had to find the ASCII, … ]

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Just put a space between the dots, Fun

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Originally Posted by jaxmc1023

Come on, man.. you guys can't really believe that interest in G5 teams go up because of W/L record?

The average college football fan - including the locals we're trying to lure to Cajun Field - thinks that G5 teams are a joke.

Only people watching G5 games are gambling addicts and fans of those teams/conferences

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Sorry, but those are the same people watching P4 teams. There's just more of them.

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Originally Posted by Duckster

Yeah, maybe another half dozen or so from both B12 & ACC to fill in 'market gaps' plus Notre Dame to go with the 34 in B10/SEC and they're at 48 teams/schools making their own playoff. They could surprise us and include all the B12/ACC schools, but as you stated the greed knows no bounds. P4 will still like scheduling G6 schools to pad the win columns.

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Texas is an example of what the top P4 schools are like. Most P4 members can't compete with these numbers.


This is what the G5 schools are competing with:

Payouts to each conference member:

Big 10 - $60M
SEC - $51M
ACC - $45M
Big 12 - $44M
Pac 12 - $34M

SBC - $2.5M

The highest budgets in the country in 2023 were:

Ohio State - $280M - Big 10
Texas A&M - $279M - SEC
Texas - $271M - SEC
Michigan - $229M - Big 10
Georgia - $210M - SEC

Clemson - $196M - highest ACC budget
Texas Tech - $146M - highest Big 12 budget

LSU - $200M - for comparison purposes (#9 overall budget & 5th in SEC)

The lowest budget in the SEC is Miss State at $115M.
The lowest budget in the Big 10 is UCLA at $106M.
The lowest budget in the Big 12 is West Virginia at $105M.

The highest budget of G5 schools is SDSU at #50 with an athletic budget of $103M.

UL has an athletic budget of ~$40M.