Another Coach Headed to Florida

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

Shepard doesn’t count. See previous post

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My mistake. Seen a comment thanking Kiffin for giving him a chance.

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

Bc I pay close to attention to coaching searches. It’s one of my favorite times of year. When a coach leaves he always brings a ton of guys with him. Position coaches and others. I am going by what I see and feel. Some feel it’s unprecedented, I personally don’t.

I will say it may be more than normal but No one can show definitive numbers either way. this is also a time that support staff is growing exponentially so you should see more coaches taking more support with them. The Saben model has taken over and you are seeing all the P5’s try to cop it. In my opinion Napier is doing it better than anyone else has.

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But someone DID post some numbers. You havent shown anything to support your opinion. But I see you said, you just go by what you feel.

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Originally Posted by moorecajun

What I don't understand is, if uf's staff is mostly our staff from last year AND the players that have left, moved to sec schools, shouldn't we have looked better last year.

I know we went 13-1, but a lot of those games were close and...

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The, only way to look better than 13-1 is
to go 14-0

Napier did the best job ever of not over exposing his offense, showing his hand, and doing what it takes to win.

The only game his strategy hurt the outcome was the season opener.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Okay, but the suggestion that this is standard operating procedure as for as an entire operation from top to bottom is not accurate. If someone wants to spend the time at reading athletic websites and compare staff changes from year to year, the information exist. You won't find detailed information in news articles because media doesn't find that information relevant. Recent changes at Oklahoma and USC aren't close in total numbers of football operations.

Frankly, I'm over Billy Napier and people don't want to hear about this any longer. But that doesn't change the facts on the ground.

Richard leaving is not a total surprise, because as of two weeks ago he changed his Twitter profile from Assistant Football Coach at Louisiana, to just Football Coach with no mention of UL. I trust in Mike Desormeaux, he will get the job done.

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Did Desormeaux let him know he would not be retained?

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Originally Posted by JamesTheJeweler

But someone DID post some numbers. You havent shown anything to support your opinion. But I see you said, you just go by what you feel.

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3 teams is such a big sample size to go by right?

And I don’t trust numbers that are for analyst. Some teams do not post info on them. In our media guide we showed some but on our website they were never listed under the staff.

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

3 teams is such a big sample size to go by right?

And I don’t trust numbers that are for analyst. Some teams do not post info on them. In our media guide we showed some but on our website they were never listed under the staff.

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The two coaches used were the most recent G5 to P5 transitions.

I used media guide. Please, by all means, do your own research

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

The two coaches used were the most recent G5 to P5 transitions.

I used media guide. Please, by all means, do your own research

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…….and yes there is also the guess some UL staff was let go for any justifiable reasons and went to Fla…..Also think of retained staff and their knowing some replacements that will be better than those leaving…..if Viator stays, he could probably hire an entire staff to work under him! Think of all the young guys in Acadiana and state areas our present coaches have been impressed with……can’t/won’t/don’t know if he would come but talk about talented names that could be part of the staff from Acadiana and afar!

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Originally Posted by JayWalker

It's really hard to compare this to anything, mainly because there are very few G5's that have the kind of support staff we have. And, I think it's what set us apart.

You have few G5's who have that many staff people to poach. And, that's one of the reasons why this is unprecedented. Very small sample size.

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I agree with this and by the numbers reported, the support staff at Florida will be 50% or more than what UL had. So Napier could take everyone of the support staff at UL and still have another 50% to fill.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like that all these folks are leaving. They will be replaced, but it would be foolish to think that there isn't going to be some sort of dip in productivity until the program is fully staffed and working full bore.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

The two coaches used were the most recent G5 to P5 transitions.

I used media guide. Please, by all means, do your own research

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I will do some digging myself over the weekend but the fact I keep trying to show is that you can look in media guides and team websites all you want, some analyst will not show up. They are called the shadow staff for a reason. I know of a few UL analyst who moved on in the last 4 years and most never showed up in any media.

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

3 teams is such a big sample size to go by right?

And I don’t trust numbers that are for analyst. Some teams do not post info on them. In our media guide we showed some but on our website they were never listed under the staff.

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LOL! Ok my guy

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Originally Posted by JamesTheJeweler

LOL! Ok my guy

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Go look through UL’s media guide media guide and tell me how many analyst are listed. Here it is…

https://d1dhn91mufybwl.cloudfront.ne...8&fullscreen=1

How many analyst did you count? Schools don’t post most of there analyst and that’s a fact. You can go on believing whatever the ____ you want my guy.

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

Go look through UL’s media guide media guide and tell me how many analyst are listed. Here it is…

https://d1dhn91mufybwl.cloudfront.ne...8&fullscreen=1

How many analyst did you count? Schools don’t post most of there analyst and that’s a fact. You can go on believing whatever the ____ you want my guy.

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ULs guide was the exception this year, not the rule.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

ULs guide was the exception this year, not the rule.

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Normally they're respected?

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

Go look through UL’s media guide media guide and tell me how many analyst are listed. Here it is…

https://d1dhn91mufybwl.cloudfront.ne...8&fullscreen=1

How many analyst did you count? Schools don’t post most of there analyst and that’s a fact. You can go on believing whatever the ____ you want my guy.

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I never said it was one way or the other. My only point has been you are claiming something with zero facts to back it up, other than "its how you feel". All the while telling everyone theyre wrong.

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Originally Posted by JamesTheJeweler

I never said it was one way or the other. My only point has been you are claiming something with zero facts to back it up, other than "its how you feel". All the while telling everyone theyre wrong.

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And I’m saying no one has facts to back it up. The info is not readily available enough on analyst and other support staff.

Would this help?

https://ragincajuns.com/staff-directory

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

And I’m saying no one has facts to back it up. The info is not readily available enough on analyst and other support staff.

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Clutch, I'm usually 99% in agreement in what you post on this forum. But, you are defending the indefensible here and spinning the discussion. I don't give a crap if someone can't track analyst and other support staff on websites. If you follow coaches on Twitter, they are often following a number of people they know in those positions, including those at other programs and contacts through their coaching tree.

Analyst are important to programs, they break down film of opponents, look for tendencies, scout pl fact ayers and even help recruit now. Viator wore a headset for the bowl game and helped put together the game plan. The fact that he isn't listed on the football website, or any other essential staff member is irrelevant to the conversation when you look at the total number of personnel that were taken from the UL operations. I have friends that are involved in college football at TCU, Georgia, Southern Miss and Missouri. I also can tap former Cajuns players in the business and keep in contact with. And I now coaches in this program, including Des for a number of years. All I have to do is ask the right questions.

Billy Napier has a business model that is based up certain principles. From every stop he has made in his career, that is the one consistent thing I've heard about him. His core values and principles is why he is so well respected. From the information I've gathered, he didn't not follow all those principles in they way he hired staff away from his former program. In fact his actions were disrespectful to his former staff, his former players, athletic director and president. I don't care if it was because the pressure of the new job, or just ambition, he completely hired more personnel than the average coaching changes. That is the opinion of most of the people I lean on when it comes to college football. Some are okay with it, some saw it as a act of desperation.

For the sake of the board, I think this discussion has played itself out. If anyone wants to continue to defend Billy Napier's actions, that is their prerogative. From the information I have, it's not a opinion I agree with.

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Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee

Would this help?

https://ragincajuns.com/staff-directory

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No. That is not an accurate list.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Clutch, I'm usually 99% in agreement in what you post on this forum. But, you are defending the indefensible here and spinning the discussion. I don't give a crap if someone can't track analyst and other support staff on websites. If you follow coaches on Twitter, they are often following a number of people they know in those positions, including those at other programs and contacts through their coaching tree.

Analyst are important to programs, they break down film of opponents, look for tendencies, scout pl fact ayers and even help recruit now. Viator wore a headset for the bowl game and helped put together the game plan. The fact that he isn't listed on the football website, or any other essential staff member is irrelevant to the conversation when you look at the total number of personnel that were taken from the UL operations. I have friends that are involved in college football at TCU, Georgia, Southern Miss and Missouri. I also can tap former Cajuns players in the business and keep in contact with. And I now coaches in this program, including Des for a number of years. All I have to do is ask the right questions.

Billy Napier has a business model that is based up certain principles. From every stop he has made in his career, that is the one consistent thing I've heard about him. His core values and principles is why he is so well respected. From the information I've gathered, he didn't not follow all those principles in they way he hired staff away from his former program. In fact his actions were disrespectful to his former staff, his former players, athletic director and president. I don't care if it was because the pressure of the new job, or just ambition, he completely hired more personnel than the average coaching changes. That is the opinion of most of the people I lean on when it comes to college football. Some are okay with it, some saw it as a act of desperation.

For the sake of the board, I think this discussion has played itself out. If anyone wants to continue to defend Billy Napier's actions, that is their prerogative. From the information I have, it's not a opinion I agree with.

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As usual, you have summed up this issue very well. Agree 100%.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Clutch, I'm usually 99% in agreement in what you post on this forum. But, you are defending the indefensible here and spinning the discussion. I don't give a crap if someone can't track analyst and other support staff on websites. If you follow coaches on Twitter, they are often following a number of people they know in those positions, including those at other programs and contacts through their coaching tree.

Analyst are important to programs, they break down film of opponents, look for tendencies, scout pl fact ayers and even help recruit now. Viator wore a headset for the bowl game and helped put together the game plan. The fact that he isn't listed on the football website, or any other essential staff member is irrelevant to the conversation when you look at the total number of personnel that were taken from the UL operations. I have friends that are involved in college football at TCU, Georgia, Southern Miss and Missouri. I also can tap former Cajuns players in the business and keep in contact with. And I now coaches in this program, including Des for a number of years. All I have to do is ask the right questions.

Billy Napier has a business model that is based up certain principles. From every stop he has made in his career, that is the one consistent thing I've heard about him. His core values and principles is why he is so well respected. From the information I've gathered, he didn't not follow all those principles in they way he hired staff away from his former program. In fact his actions were disrespectful to his former staff, his former players, athletic director and president. I don't care if it was because the pressure of the new job, or just ambition, he completely hired more personnel than the average coaching changes. That is the opinion of most of the people I lean on when it comes to college football. Some are okay with it, some saw it as a act of desperation.

For the sake of the board, I think this discussion has played itself out. If anyone wants to continue to defend Billy Napier's actions, that is their prerogative. From the information I have, it's not a opinion I agree with.

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I am going to back away from this conversation bc I don’t feel my point is coming across correctly.

I am not a fan of what Napier has done. Not disputing the disrespect or what has happened behind the scenes. My argument is all about quantifying what other schools have lost.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Clutch, I'm usually 99% in agreement in what you post on this forum. But, you are defending the indefensible here and spinning the discussion. I don't give a crap if someone can't track analyst and other support staff on websites. If you follow coaches on Twitter, they are often following a number of people they know in those positions, including those at other programs and contacts through their coaching tree.

Analyst are important to programs, they break down film of opponents, look for tendencies, scout pl fact ayers and even help recruit now. Viator wore a headset for the bowl game and helped put together the game plan. The fact that he isn't listed on the football website, or any other essential staff member is irrelevant to the conversation when you look at the total number of personnel that were taken from the UL operations. I have friends that are involved in college football at TCU, Georgia, Southern Miss and Missouri. I also can tap former Cajuns players in the business and keep in contact with. And I now coaches in this program, including Des for a number of years. All I have to do is ask the right questions.

Billy Napier has a business model that is based up certain principles. From every stop he has made in his career, that is the one consistent thing I've heard about him. His core values and principles is why he is so well respected. From the information I've gathered, he didn't not follow all those principles in they way he hired staff away from his former program. In fact his actions were disrespectful to his former staff, his former players, athletic director and president. I don't care if it was because the pressure of the new job, or just ambition, he completely hired more personnel than the average coaching changes. That is the opinion of most of the people I lean on when it comes to college football. Some are okay with it, some saw it as a act of desperation.

For the sake of the board, I think this discussion has played itself out. If anyone wants to continue to defend Billy Napier's actions, that is their prerogative. From the information I have, it's not a opinion I agree with.

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All of this ^
100%

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Originally Posted by JMVCAJUNS

No. That is not an accurate list.

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Unless it hasn't been updated, yes it actually is.


I was simply offering that up as a place one might go to search for the staff directory.

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Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee

Unless it hasn't been updated, yes it actually is.


I was simply offering that up as a place one might go to search for the staff directory.

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It hasn't been updated. Courtney Toney is not the head of cheerleading at UL, while her husband works at Florida.

About time we see a spring roster as well...

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Originally Posted by fanof71

About time we see a spring roster as well...

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Too early for a spring roster. That never happens until after National Signing Day, usually in March.