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Originally Posted by Boomer
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http://www.la-par.org/PAR%20News%20F...05.02.2009.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
Good spelling, by the way.
The article says that yes, we will lose a congressman, but not North Louisiana. The area covered by Assumption, Vermillion, Iberia, Iberville, Lafourche, and Terrebonne is split into two districts. It may be lumped into one district resulting in only 6 Congressman.
Rep. Melancon is my congressman, and I've heard about this happening, as he will be struggling for one less seat. But North Louisiana is stable. Bossier parish especially is exploding.
So if one looks at the huge jump of Lafayette----per your stats---- is this why the stats are skewed the wrong way???? I am surprised at the loss of Shreveport!!!!
If you are talking about your enrollment stats, then I think you are seeing something that isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
UL Lafayette lost 0.15% of enrollment, or 25 students. In a school of 16,000, that's a minor fluctuation, and is not statistically significant. Tech's increase of 400 (3%) is significant, but not quite so when compared to numbers through 2005. These numbers can fluctuate drastically from year to year. between 2007-2008, Tech experienced a decrease.
And even though Lafayette is increasing in size, it doesn't mean that everyone in the school sends its students to your school.
This is not to say that ULL is doing poorly. Its just a numbers game. They will fluxuate from time to time, and as long as its not a steady downward trend, there's no issue.
Per our Pres---we finally have a great one----we want to be at 21k in 3 years--this with a demography that isn't too good for Louisiana but seems to be great for lafayette!!! the stated reasons for this goal are one-- an increase in the number of older students getting a college degree in an area like Lafayette----two--an increased ACT score from incoming Freshmen thank God for Catholic education--lol--We are the largest Catholic school in the nation-----Large # of the local JCs continuing to UL along with LSUE--- and finally the retention of existing students!!!!! We have stepped up recruiting big time and it will show this year both in under gaduate and Graduate students------Also a much more inviting campus with the recent beautification program!!!!!
Andre's new plan for LA Higher Education. It will be hard on some at first, but eventually we will all come to love it and like it; and realize that it is for the best of the state.
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I know this is not possible as LTU & UL's campus' cannot handle this many students at this time. But what if a plan was developed to slowly shut down these four univerities and build up the other four? Start building new buildings now, I'm running for Governor......later on! :D
Oh yeah the LSU and SU systems will HATE THIS for sure! Screw them, I'm in charge now.
We have the most graduate students behind lsua&mc@br because we also have the most graduate programs behind that same institution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
No way we get to 21K in three years. Only a federal program where people would get free tuition would we get that kind of increase. I think getting to 17K in 3 years is a reasonable goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
As for the catholic thing. Here in NOLA people are shelling out big bucks for school. Most people I know have hopes for their kids getting into prestigeous out-of-state programs. If you look at the HS marketing material...that is what they are selling. Even LSU is not the end game for most of these kids.
I didn't know that we were a Catholic University. That means that we should play Notre Dame & Boston College and the like every season. Funny, i don't remember going to any religion or Christian Ed classes when I was enrolled at USL. I do know that a larger portion of CENLA has begun to come to UL than there has been before, thats another demographic where recruiting needs to be done, academics and athletics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
Of course I am speaking of the number of Catholic students that are enrolled---But you just gave me an idea -----What if we play one of the Utah schools---I was told that we had talked to the Fighting Irish about a game in the Dome---Irish against the Cajuns!11 Sweet if they don't get better!!!!
These are a year behind, but they are from the office of enrollment services at UL.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CajunNation
University of Louisiana
Six Year Fall Enrollment
Six Year | Classification | Ethnicity | College | Prior Years
Fall 2003 Fall 2004 Fall 2005 Fall 2006 Fall 2007 Fall 2008
Total 16,208 16,561 17,075 16,303 16,345 16,320
Undergraduates 14,585 15,043 15,564 14,924 14,931 14,806
Graduates 1,623 1,518 1,511 1,379 1,414 1,514
Full Time 12,851 13,117 13,780 13,391 13,346 13,194
Part Time 3,357 3,444 3,295 2,912 2,999 3,126
Male 6,903 6,930 7,078 6,908 6,919 6,872
Female 9,305 9,631 9,997 9,395 9,426 9,448
In-State 14,874 15,160 15,597 14,955 14,933 14,789
Out-of-State 617 697 767 743 761 778
Out-of-Country 717 704 711 605 651 753
How is that!
The loss of population in N. LA. is not out of thin air. And this probably has little to do with university undergraduate population, but you made it seem N. Louisiana is not shrinking in population and that somehow this is just made up. So, using the google population map you cited I spent way too much time looking at the populations of the parishes north of Alex. Seventeen of those parishes fell in population and six increased (the largest being Bossier up by 36% or 29,500 people from 1980 to 2009.) Some of these places are hemorrhaging people: E. Carroll, Tensas, and Madison have lost 25 to 36% of their population.Quote:
Originally Posted by LATechDawgs
But per cent can be misleading, so I looked at actual number of growth in each parish and the net total for 24 northern or central Louisiana parishes is negative 16,600 folks. I did not have time to figure out what 16,600 is as a per cent of the total (it is probably 2 or 3%), but it is shrinking when the average nationwide for growth is about 2 to 3 per cent.
I'm not a big Moon fan, but I did hear the show where population guy was on, and what he was saying is that the trend in LA. is that the I-10 corridor is growing fast while north La. (with the exception of Shreveport and Ruston) is shrinking. If you remove those two population centers,and the bottom falls out population wise for the northern half of our state. The ten parishes around Lafayette, by comparison, have grown by a population of 103,500 (the largest being Lafayette which has grown 37% or 56,700 people.) Most these parishes have grown by double digit per cent. Now, some of this may be Katrina generated, but certainly not all.
I believe Boomer's right, north Louisiana is shrinking. Elliot Stonecipher says that in 25 years, Louisiana has not grown, while the US has grown 33%. Within the state, the only parishes that have kept up with national growth have all been on the I-10 corridor, with Bossier Parish as the lone exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by LATechDawgs
So if the I-10 corridor is growing rapidly, and Louisiana's population is stagnant, then north Louisiana has to be shrinking...
(BTW, Stonecipher also points out that all the parishes that have kept up, except Lafayette & Bossier, grew because of white flight; Bossier grew because of Barksdale. Only Lafayette grew by diversifying our economy. Stonecipher is from Shreveport, so his assessments should be impartial.)
OK, time to point out the smoke & mirrors.Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunNation
Those numbers are undergrad enrollment. You also need to include grad school numbers. You also need part time enrollment.
And you need 'junk' enrollment. Leisure Learning? Continuing Ed? I've been told those numbers are also included. Mind you, every school in the country counts those kind of courses, so if it's not entirely honest, at least it's consistent.
Boomer, as for graduate enrollment I saw a single source that reported that Tech has a larger grad school than UL does. I have doubts about that, because we're twice their size, we have 3 or 4 more PhD programs, and we have a much larger research budget (which correlates with grad school activity). It's possible their masters programs make up the difference, particularly if they offer Masters programs that are the only such offerings in north Louisiana. Like I said, it seems doubtful. I'll keep digging.
http://ultoday.com/sites/ultoday.com...todayLogo2.jpg
Complaining about the University on the boards and in public hurts UL,
and it hurts the Ragin' Cajuns.
Negativity undermines our recruiting, fundraising, attendance, and ticket sales.
So why would not a congressman be taken from North La.?--Gerrymandering is truly their only hope---If we get 6------1 in the North(Sport,Alex and Mon)----------1 in Lafayette1 and West(LC)-----1 in BR-------1 in northshore ------1 in NO ------1 from NO through Jeff, St Charles Terr St Mary NI Assumpt. and Ascension!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunFun
It's illegal immigrant generated too. Every morning, on my way to work, I see that another Mexican restaurant magically appears over night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajunmac
You're not going to like the answer: politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
New Orleans is going to swing a lot of clout, and insure that the maximum number of districts cut into the city (currently 3 do). But the 6th (BR) will have to expand, almost certainly into the 5th (Monroe), 1st (Northshore) and 3rd (Houma/Thibodaux). New Orleans will contract some.
On the other hand, for North Louisiana to maintain two districts, the current 4th District (Shreveport & Alec) will probably reach down into LC-- meaning there is a good possibility someone from LC could be elected to that District.
And if the current 7th (Lafayette) loses LC, we'll have to pick up more of Acadiana. Which will give us more cohesion, right now we're split between the 3rd & the 7th.
Trust me, it will be interesting.
Boomer the enrollment at U L is 16,464 students total and we expect it to increase to 16,664 this year with the incoming freshmen!
Do you have a list of the others and was T-Joe upset that we did not get more???----I know he only came on in May------ BBBBBUT!!!!!
SLCC has a fall enrollment of 3,600 students...
We need to have all these students at all the local JCs be a part of UL---maybe a special day and reduced cost ---also maybe even a future student card!!!!--High School Seniors in the area also need to be in this number!!!!
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The University of Louisiana announced that its enrollment for the Fall 2009 Semester is on track with the university’s plan to attract more highly qualified students while maintaining overall enrollment.
Fall 2009 enrollment at the University of Louisiana is 16,361, slightly up from 16,320 students last Fall.
“In recent years, UL has been attracting more high-caliber freshmen and stabilizing enrollment through good retention rates,” stated UL President Dr. Joseph Savoie. “This Fall’s entering freshman class has an average ACT score of 22.3, a grade point average of 3.24, and includes a record number of high school valedictorians. Seventy students in the freshman class had ACT scores of 30 or above.
“The enrollment increase, while slight, indicates the start of a positive growth pattern for the university, particularly since enrollment held solid despite major cuts in state funding. Budget cuts led to a reduction in course offerings and, as a result, a loss of students previously enrolled in community service courses, as well as a loss of students, particularly international students, who could not afford the necessary tuition increases.
“I believe that UL is increasingly becoming the university of choice for many of Louisiana’s brightest students. The university offers a high-quality educational experience in a friendly and culturally rich region of the state.”
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Now, let's go get that USN&WR Tier 1 ranking.
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An increase in summer enrollment at the University of Louisiana reflects the university’s efforts to provide additional courses, said Dr. DeWayne Bowie, UL’s vice president for enrollment management and registrar.
“ More and more, students are enrolling in summer school and intersessions so they can more quickly make progress in earning their degrees,” Bowie said.
Total enrollment for the Summer 2010 semester is 5,142, an increase of 4.8 percent over last year’s total of 4,908. The largest increase was in undergraduate continuing students — those who also attended the university last semester.
“ After the summer course schedule was published, the university invited all students enrolled in spring 2010 semester to complete a survey designed to better advise us about additional courses they would like to see offered during the summer 2010 session,” Bowie said. Seven-hundred forty-six students completed the survey. In response to students’ feedback, 12 courses, in a variety of areas, were added.
“ This was the first time we took that approach. By providing all students the opportunity to be included in the course-offering process we were better able to meet their needs.”
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I heard that we really had a large Freshman class as per stories of additional orientation sessions----Anybody up on the count?????