Someone has to say it... (Saints)

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

Bortles
Keenum
Foles
Brady

I know where my money is going.

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Please do. Vegas is counting on you.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

Sounds like the nature of sports in general. Calling it luck is just a cheap dig.

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I disagree, while yes it is the nature of the game it is still luck, having said that almost every team that wins a championship or has a great run must have some luck involved. If it was anyone but Hawk saying it, this would just be an observation and not a cheap dig.

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Originally Posted by anhil8tor

It takes more than one play to make a game.. win or lose. There were alot of things that contributed to the Saints losing that game. Not just one missed tackle at the end of the game.

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You are describing sports in general, it often comes down to the last play.

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Originally Posted by CajunJack55

I disagree, while yes it is the nature of the game it is still luck, having said that almost every team that wins a championship or has a great run must have some luck involved. If it was anyone but Hawk saying it, this would just be an observation and not a cheap dig.

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And it's not even a cheap dig...I gave the Saints credit for the gutsy comeback. I didn't think they had it in them.

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Originally Posted by Geaux

We lost a lot of starters in Okafor, Klein, Anzalone,Breaux,Fairley and Peat.

Fired our team doctors, sent a hall of fame running back packing for a rookie.

Played under the craziest ownership battle one could imagine and most of all started the season 0-2.

Not how we wanted it to end, but the future is bright. We sort of overacheived this year. Who Dat!

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And on top of Okafor, Klein, Anzalone,Breaux,Fairley and Peat, include Strief, Fleener, Kuhn, and Vaccaro and now you’re talking 10 starters on IR.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

And it's not even a cheap dig...I gave the Saints credit for the gutsy comeback. I didn't think they had it in them.

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Yeah I didn't take it as a cheap dig, you are a lot of things but subtle is not one lol...when you "dig" you dig big.

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Originally Posted by CajunJack55

Yeah I didn't take it as a cheap dig, you are a lot of things but subtle is not one lol...when you "dig" you dig big.

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Not the time to take a swipe at you guys. Not after how it ended. I'm a savage, but not that savage.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

And it's not even a cheap dig...I gave the Saints credit for the gutsy comeback. I didn't think they had it in them.

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The cheap dig was your description of the lead up to how they found themselves in that game.

Your gutsy comeback comment was spot on.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

The cheap dig was your description of the lead up to how they found themselves in that game.

Your gutsy comeback comment was spot on.

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The truth will set you free. It's not a stretch to say a team that went 7-9 the previous 3 seasons needed luck to get to 11-5.

All you knuckleheads piling on Williams are forgetting what he did in the 59:50 before that play, including the brilliant interception of Keenum that set up the second touchdown. Dude made a mistake, which means he's human. And he owned up to it after the game, which means he's got integrity.

I'm with the rookie. Hope he gets another chance.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

The truth will set you free. It's not a stretch to say a team that went 7-9 the previous 3 seasons needed luck to get to 11-5.

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Well now I know what you think of 4-straight 9-4 seasons.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

The cheap dig was your description of the lead up to how they found themselves in that game.

Your gutsy comeback comment was spot on.

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I did not take anything Hawk stated as a cheap dig.....I was amazed that the Saints played pretty good defense this season considering all of the injuries to starters. And I guarantee you Hawk can name several instances where luck played was force for the Seahawks playoff runs. We had a DB have a brain cramp at the wrong time....that's all it was.

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Originally Posted by basinbear

I did not take anything Hawk stated as a cheap dig.....I was amazed that the Saints played pretty good defense this season considering all of the injuries to starters. And I guarantee you Hawk can name several instances where luck played was force for the Seahawks playoff runs. We had a DB have a brain cramp at the wrong time....that's all it was.

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I’d be interested to see his list of luck for the Seahawks playoff runs. Because as soon as someone mentioned the Viking kickers shanks fg to move Seattle on, he called the man salty.

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Originally Posted by basinbear

I did not take anything Hawk stated as a cheap dig.....I was amazed that the Saints played pretty good defense this season considering all of the injuries to starters. And I guarantee you Hawk can name several instances where luck played was force for the Seahawks playoff runs. We had a DB have a brain cramp at the wrong time....that's all it was.

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So, I may be guilty of knowing the history of his feelings towards the Saints and letting them cloud my judgement on his lucky breaks comment.

Meh...the visable lucky breaks usually balance out with the less publicized bad breaks and you end up right where you deserve. Fact was they were not good enough to go deeper in the playoffs. If they were, they would have gotten it done.

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Originally Posted by charliek

Meh...the visable lucky breaks usually balance out with the less publicized bad breaks and you end up right where you deserve. Fact was they were not good enough to go deeper in the playoffs. If they were, they would have gotten it done.

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One player/play away.

The tough one was the missed neutral zone penalty on the third down just prior to the last Saints FG. No time left if that is called correctly.

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Originally Posted by CajunAmos

The tough one was the missed neutral zone penalty on the third down just prior to the last Saints FG. No time left if that is called correctly.

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I guess the Vikings got lucky on that one

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Originally Posted by RcL8

I'd be interested to see his list of luck for the Seahawks playoff runs. Because as soon as someone mentioned the Viking kickers shanks fg to move Seattle on, he called the man salty.

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Originally Posted by RcL8

I guess the Vikings got lucky on that one

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

The truth will set you free. It's not a stretch to say a team that went 7-9 the previous 3 seasons needed luck to get to 11-5.

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Or, not having the worst defense in NFL history for the 4th consecutive year helped a bunch.

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Originally Posted by BrockMeaux

Or, not having the worst defense in NFL history for the 4th consecutive year helped a bunch.

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They drafted well...but the improvement in the defense was more scheme than anything. That was the air raid version of defense. Super aggressive. Once teams hone in on it...it won't be pretty. They have better talent...but it's still a talent poor defense.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

They drafted well...but the improvement in the defense was more scheme than anything. That was the air raid version of defense. Super aggressive. Once teams hone in on it...it won't be pretty. They have better talent...but it's still a talent poor defense.

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They actually had pretty decent talent, along with all pro (Lattimore, Cam Jordan) players. But when you lose half of your starters to injury, including your starting middle linebacker (A.J. Klein), you're going to have problems.

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Originally Posted by AirBill

All you knuckleheads piling on Williams are forgetting what he did in the 59:50 before that play, including the brilliant interception of Keenum that set up the second touchdown. Dude made a mistake, which means he's human. And he owned up to it after the game, which means he's got integrity.

I'm with the rookie. Hope he gets another chance.

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Yes.... and if the Saints convert 3rd and 1 with about 30 seconds left, Vikes never get the ball again... Kamara to the middle of the field was excessively conservative in that spot, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by AirBill

They actually had pretty decent talent, along with all pro (Lattimore, Cam Jordan) players. But when you lose half of your starters to injury, including your starting middle linebacker (A.J. Klein), you're going to have problems.

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Actually, there wasn't much drop off from the "starters" to the backups. Manti T'eo looked good in that defense. It's the scheme. Not the talent.