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November 24th, 2015, 12:54 pm
Stabil123

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by Bicky Rustle

You are correct a D line coach will leave here to be a D line coach at a P5 school in the drop of a hat. That's a no brainier. The question is would Melvin smith leave as a DC to be a DB coach again.

Surely you don't think we can pay him what Auburn is paying him this year?
November 24th, 2015, 01:09 pm
KajunKrazy

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by Stabil123

Surely you don't think we can pay him what Auburn is paying him this year?

No and if you read closely you will see that I am suggesting just the opposite. The ? was would a coordinator leave to go back as a position coach?
November 24th, 2015, 01:30 pm
basinbear

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

We should all know at this point...it's Hud's defense.

Coaches SHOULD get the credit or the blame.....they are in charge of this and have to own it either way
November 24th, 2015, 01:31 pm
basinbear

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Originally Posted by Bicky Rustle

They were released because AU brought in a new coordinator who brought in his own assistants. I think if you can't coach it gets out before you spend 20 years in the SEC.

Correct......the new coordinator wanted to select his own people
November 24th, 2015, 01:34 pm
basinbear

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

Auburn is paying him the remainder of what they owe him minus what he gets paid here. He is currently making very good money, not sure how long he has that deal but I'm pretty sure it's at least for next year. I've seen enough good out of his defense to want him to stick around. He basically has played without his most dynamic playmaker for the whole season and took 7 games to get the other one healthy. It really feels like we have had more injuries this year than the previous 4 combined.

Yes.....it's common for assistants on the p5 level to have 2 year contracts
November 24th, 2015, 02:05 pm
CajunEXPRESS

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Originally Posted by Clutch0364

Berry is an offensive coach.

And we need one.
November 24th, 2015, 02:34 pm
KajunKrazy

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS

And we need one.

We have one his name is Mark Hudspeth.
November 24th, 2015, 02:34 pm
Clutch0364

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Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS

And we need one.

I'd argue we need both. I think Berry is a pretty good offensive coach but I actually think you can go and get much better than him, even with our budget.
November 24th, 2015, 05:29 pm
ULGrad@HOU

Re: Defensive staff

From what I'm seeing on the field, Hud should start from scratch again on defense. The UL defense is pathetic and looks unorganized and chaotic. I don't see quality coaching and little talent, I see poor coaching and quality talent, especially at linebacker. The defense is awful and it would be a hopeless off-season knowing this same group of coaches are back next year doing the same thing as what we are seeing now.
November 24th, 2015, 05:48 pm
CrazyCajun

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Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU

From what I'm seeing on the field, Hud should start from scratch again on defense. The UL defense is pathetic and looks unorganized and chaotic. I don't see quality coaching and little talent, I see poor coaching and quality talent, especially at linebacker. The defense is awful and it would be a hopeless off-season knowing this same group of coaches are back next year doing the same thing as what we are seeing now.

Read the articles from these past couple days, write down the injuries they list on defense, what do you suggest the staff do differently? The defense had had a couple shutout halfs...3 point halfs. They aren't the iron curtain by any means but awful and hopeless aren't what come to my mind when I think of this defense...injured and undermanned.
November 24th, 2015, 06:05 pm
ManAboutTown

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

Read the articles from these past couple days, write down the injuries they list on defense, what do you suggest the staff do differently? The defense had had a couple shutout halfs...3 point halfs. They aren't the iron curtain by any means but awful and hopeless aren't what come to my mind when I think of this defense...injured and undermanned.

Thank you CC
How many shut out halfs have we had prior to this staff?
November 24th, 2015, 06:09 pm
Turbine

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by ManAboutTown

Thank you CC
How many shut out halfs have we had prior to this staff?

Good Q. and lucid perception by CC.
November 24th, 2015, 06:32 pm
ULGrad@HOU

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

Read the articles from these past couple days, write down the injuries they list on defense, what do you suggest the staff do differently? The defense had had a couple shutout halfs...3 point halfs. They aren't the iron curtain by any means but awful and hopeless aren't what come to my mind when I think of this defense...injured and undermanned.

I don't know what games you are watching, but go ahead, lists all the shutout halfs. Let's see, the only game where we allowed the 3 pts in a half was when we were getting blown out by Ark State and they were coasting. You sure you are watching UL?
November 24th, 2015, 06:34 pm
ULGrad@HOU

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by ManAboutTown

Thank you CC
How many shut out halfs have we had prior to this staff?

You might want to verify all those shutout halfs we had.
November 24th, 2015, 06:58 pm
CrazyCajun

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Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU

I don't know what games you are watching, but go ahead, lists all the shutout halfs. Let's see, the only game where we allowed the 3 pts in a half was when we were getting blown out by Ark State and they were coasting. You sure you are watching UL?

2nd half of ulm...now your turn... List the injuries
November 24th, 2015, 06:59 pm
CajunT

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

2nd half of ulm...now your turn... List the injuries

Texas State and ULM were both held to under 150 yards total offense in the second half.
November 24th, 2015, 07:06 pm
ULGrad@HOU

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

2nd half of ulm...now your turn... List the injuries

Ok, we had 1. You do realize we are playing several of the worst football teams in the country. Yes, we've had some injuries, and that matters, but just look at our last game, the defense was terrible.
November 24th, 2015, 07:11 pm
Just1More

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I can't tell what in this defense is attributable to our injury/loss of expected starters... and what is attributed to the coaching staff. I guess I'm seeing a better scheme. I guess. But I've always been concerned when we bring in coaches that coached P5 programs, expecting that they're going to make us better. I think most of them are dependent on P5 talent at every position.

I was very disappointed to hear Hud admit we missed 50 tackles because we were trying to strip the ball against USA. He confessed that he led that stupid "we need turnovers" BS... but why did Melvin and his staff go along with that stupidity for 4 quarters? It definitely cost us a football game.

People can run the talent excuse all they want, but I definitely think our coaches blew this year up more than it being a down year talent wise.
November 24th, 2015, 07:13 pm
Just1More

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU

Ok, we had 1. You do realize we are playing several of the worst football teams in the country. Yes, we've had some injuries, and that matters, but just look at our last game, the defense was terrible.

Look at that USA game. The dumbassness of "creating turnovers" had us trying to strip the ball instead of tackling. Does Hud wear the dunce cap all by himself for that?
November 24th, 2015, 07:18 pm
Just1More

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Texas State and ULM were both held to under 150 yards total offense in the second half.

I think we could have held Lafayette Middle School to under 100 yards. I'm not saying our defense didn't have some good series stops. But when you look at the breakdowns this year against some mediocre offenses, we had some extremely costly failures on defense. If Hud wouldn't have put Haack in 3rd and long so often, we could have perhaps overcome our defensive issues enough to win a couple more games... but Hud wasn't up for that this season.
November 24th, 2015, 07:23 pm
ULGrad@HOU

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by Just1More

Look at that USA game. The dumbassness of "creating turnovers" had us trying to strip the ball instead of tackling. Does Hud wear the dunce cap all by himself for that?

No doubt, it was a failed strategy and should have been dropped after the 1st qtr. It certainly cost us that game. Really though, I haven't seen crisp tackling all season in any game. There were a few instances, but as a whole, the defense lacks intensity and decisiveness.
November 24th, 2015, 07:28 pm
CrazyCajun

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Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU

Ok, we had 1. You do realize we are playing several of the worst football teams in the country. Yes, we've had some injuries, and that matters, but just look at our last game, the defense was terrible.

We had a CB playing safety who gave up 2 touchdowns because he never played safety in his life. We were playing against a QB who just left a memorial for his recently murdered father, it was the best game of his life which was 15-39 or something? 2 blown coverages by a guy who should have never been in that position. No TJ worthy, no Crawford, no lightfoot, no posey,no Alexander, no Thomas, Watson just returned from injury only to be shoved in a position he never played before. That's just on the defensive side and half the guys are playing hurt. While tovell has played great since moving inside, you still took him away from the outside. Emtire new staff, system and verbiage...10 games and we haven't started the same 11 yet on defense.
November 24th, 2015, 07:47 pm
ULGrad@HOU

Re: Defensive staff

Alright crazycajun, I can see you think this staff is making progress and it's not their fault we are bad, but I'm not convinced. Let's just re-evaluate after the next two games and see where we are.
November 24th, 2015, 07:50 pm
CrazyCajun

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Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU

Alright crazycajun, I can see you think this staff is making progress and it's not their fault we are bad, but I'm not convinced. Let's just re-evaluate after the next two games and see where we are.

Im at least willing to let them get a chance to play with the same lineup for 2 consecutive weeks.
November 24th, 2015, 07:52 pm
Just1More

Re: Defensive staff

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

We had a CB playing safety who gave up 2 touchdowns because he never played safety in his life. We were playing against a QB who just left a memorial fir his re entry murdered father, it was the best game of his life which was 15-39 or something? 2 blown coverages by a guy who should have never been in that position. No TJ worthy, no Crawford, no lightfoot, no posey,no Alexander, no Thomas, Watson just returned from injury only to be shoved in a position he never played before. That's just on the defensive side and half the guys are playing hurt. While tovell has played great since moving inside, you still took him away from the outside. Emtire new staff, system and verbiage...10 games and we haven't started the same 11 yet on defense.

So what you're saying is that next year we'll have everyone back, plus the depth from experience this year, plus the scheme/verbiage taught?

I didn't realize how many guys were missing and patching holes in our defensive backfield.

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