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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ Please, I've been reading this board for a lot longer than I've actually been posting on here. There has been a lot of chatter about LSU on this board a long time before I came around. I guess you would prefer to have no visitors on your board so you could live in only a vermillion and white world? _
Nope. Don't care either way. Stay. Go. Post. Just read. Doesn't matter to me. You are hounding about obsession. I see it as pretty normal bantering. I also see about 500 posts on pure UL only subjects... an LSU comment surfaces... and somehow roaches get drawn out of their comfortable dark nests.
It isn't "my board"... it is a UL forum. I think you also need to bust us in the chops when the Saints and the Panthers come up... arguments about good eateries... and stuff like that. You have a lot more obsession refereeing we need you for. I'll watch out for you.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
Just1More
_ an LSU comment surfaces... and somehow roaches get drawn out of their comfortable dark nests.
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that pretty much sums it up. Thanks.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
Just1More
_ Do you think Tech, ULM and others would also support the existing state system, if allowed to vote on that? I just polled them and Tech and ULM agreed... let's divide LSU's funding, call the 3 of us "flagships" and let LSU survive completely off of its private funding and athletic national championships for the next 10 years. Watch how fast the bumper stickers and t-shirt sales dry up.
I personally could care less about being another "flagship", so keep your "you all look ridiculous" comments to yourself. Your analogy of Sharpton/Jackson, two political panderers, is completely off-base. Racial issues and the parasites you mentioned have nothing to do with the facts about this state's higher education funding predicament facing UL. It wouldn't take much to turn your analogy around and have your favorite institution framed with Al and Jessie... "proclaimed protected entitlements".
UL is continuously limited in making growth initiatives in this state, despite having made much greater strides than other equally less funded state universities. Are our graduates not also competing nationally/globally for their and our economic benefit... and aren't we a component of this state's potential progress? Is it not appropriate to keep working toward competing nationally for research money, better professors, improved facilities, etc? UL is very fortunate to be in Lafayette, a city that has grown enormously economically since its Vermillionville days. As it has grown, so too should its largest single financial economic contributor... UL. Why shouldn't UL get a line share of state taxpayer support as the second largest institution in the state? It stands to reason that as you process more students, you should also be supported proportionately.
As you say... take responsibility for yourself. Trying to right the pathetic budget manipulations in this state IS "taking responsibility for ourselves". UL, whether you like it or not, is one of YOUR state taxpayer institutions. Take pride in it, "Lafayette" RiverRanchMan, and start pitching in yourself. What exactly is it that has you so proudly strutting around Lafayette that does not also include your support of UL? Do you not know people or their children who attend or are attending there?
And yes, UL, as institutions go, is disproportionately unrepresented here in the Baton Rouge based state government. Have no fear... your favorite institution is very secure. The state will remain last in the country in almost every relevant category... but we all have more purple and gold national championships to look forward to. It is extremely unfortunate, but this state is run about as close to a communist state as any U.S. state could be. It has a permanent ruler that has figured out a way to toss out big parades and flag waving around the "state colors"... deflecting focus on serious problems in the state over to water cooler speak of "Saban sucks"... and never quite getting its people out of third-world U.S. state status. It must be very rewarding to you to take stock in that, Mr. "RiverRanchMan". _
Here we go again making assumptions about the causes for state problems and low & behold, LSU is at fault. I will agree that politics it the cause for much of our problems, but you guys are obsessed with LSU. Another case of the have not’s blaming the haves and LSU is perceived to be the one that has in this case. This is a relatively poor state. We really don’t have any university that can be considered well funded.
My analogy of Jackson and Sharpton is in reference to blaming someone for your problems who has little to do with it rather than encouraging supporters to take responsibility for themselves and nothing else.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
The worst part about all of this is that I've spent money and time to support the Cajuns throughout the years. I have no problem going to catch a UL-Lafayette baseball, football, or basketball game to cheer on the Cajuns as long as it doesn't conflict with LSU. I must admit, the hatred on this board makes me not want to do so in the future. I've had some great times catching Cajun baseball games in the past and was planning on going to some weekday games this upcoming season.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ that pretty much sums it up. Thanks. _
I don't think it sums it up at all. I'll give you a little assignment. Go to Tigerdroppings and use a username that says "UL Fan"... start little discussions with them and mention UL. See what happens. If you think for one minute that someone on here gets derogatory... you have no idea. I have no problem with you being on this forum. I've read your views. There are a lot of people on here that are certainly sensitive about LSU interference in UL affairs over the years. But, despite that, you get on here, make it known where your heart lies, and most people just accept you. Now, of course LSU folks are not "obsessed" with UL. They "don't care". Why should they? They own just about everything in the state. The reverse situation generally ushers in a different perspective. If you are an educated man, I'm absolutely certain you understand that. Again, I think you are treated quite well on this forum.
If you have been a viewer of this forum for so long, I wonder why it is that last year a number of real a-hole LSU people posted on here with short nasty UL slams coupled with pro-LSU stuff and no good-character LSU people got on here and admonished them. You act like it is your duty to correct us about anything negative about LSU... I made a very specific request last year that LSU people that are "real men" ought to clean up their own house a little. That never happens. Would you also like to volunteer to be "that" watchdog on our forum? That will certainly make my roach comment no longer apply to you specifically.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ Please, I've been reading this board for a lot longer than I've actually been posting on here. There has been a lot of chatter about LSU on this board a long time before I came around. I guess you would prefer to have no visitors on your board so you could live in only a vermillion and white world? How many threads have I started about LSU? IF LSU is being mentioned, I will certainly chime in considering they get trashed here on a regular basis. Hell, some members even display their hatred/obsession for LSU in their own member name. I'm going to go visit a La Tech board and UL (Monroe) board to see if they have the same amount of hate towards LSU. _
You have alot of time on your hands.....please go and visit other boards and rid them of the evil LSU haters. Why do you care what is said about LSU? Big deal.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
_ Here we go again making assumptions about the causes for state problems and low & behold, LSU is at fault. I will agree that politics it the cause for much of our problems, but you guys are obsessed with LSU. Another case of the have not’s blaming the haves and LSU is perceived to be the one that has in this case. This is a relatively poor state. We really don’t have any university that can be considered well funded.
My analogy of Jackson and Sharpton is in reference to blaming someone for your problems who has little to do with it rather than encouraging supporters to take responsibility for themselves and nothing else. _
I could tell you were a jerk the second I read you're pompous user name. You probably have NO IDEA why most UL fans "hate LSU", as you so eliquently put it. Go to the top of this page, and click the "UL" tab. Read that article, and enlighten yourself; then you can continue p!ss!ng in the wind concerning your understanding of "LSU bashing". At least you now, when you defend the "f a g ship" of purple and puke, you'll have to PRETEND to be ignorant instead of actually being so.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
Just1More
_
If you have been a viewer of this forum for so long, I wonder why it is that last year a number of real a-hole LSU people posted on here with short nasty UL slams coupled with pro-LSU stuff and no good-character LSU people got on here and admonished them. You act like it is your duty to correct us about anything negative about LSU... I made a very specific request last year that LSU people that are "real men" ought to clean up their own house a little. That never happens. Would you also like to volunteer to be "that" watchdog on our forum? That will certainly make my roach comment no longer apply to you specifically. _
Yes, I have seen some of this, and it's quite embarrassing. Personally, I'd like to apologize on the behalf of these jackasses. I would have no problem telling them where to go if the act like _______s on your school's site.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ The worst part about all of this is that I've spent money and time to support the Cajuns throughout the years. I have no problem going to catch a UL-Lafayette baseball, football, or basketball game to cheer on the Cajuns as long as it doesn't conflict with LSU. I must admit, the hatred on this board makes me not want to do so in the future. I've had some great times catching Cajun baseball games in the past and was planning on going to some weekday games this upcoming season. _
how cute.. He added Lafayette. Coincidence? I think not...
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ The worst part about all of this is that I've spent money and time to support the Cajuns throughout the years. I have no problem going to catch a UL-Lafayette baseball, football, or basketball game to cheer on the Cajuns as long as it doesn't conflict with LSU. I must admit, the hatred on this board makes me not want to do so in the future. I've had some great times catching Cajun baseball games in the past and was planning on going to some weekday games this upcoming season. _
Am I supposed to stop attending LSU games to reciprocate? You need to do what your heart tells you to do. We call ourselves UL, by the way. It's a shortcut that we like to use. If you can say "Cajuns" instead of "Ragin Cajuns"... I think you can do it. It's called being courteous.... another thing in short supply in this state. Oh no... another obsession sermon coming.
No one has damaged you on this forum, bballholic. And again, if you need a balance of hatred so that your equilibrium settles... start up a conversation about UL on a Tiger forum. I promise it will do your soul some good. I promise.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
foofoochaisson
_ I could tell you were a jerk the second I read you're pompous user name. You probably have NO IDEA why most UL fans "hate LSU", as you so eliquently put it. Go to the top of this page, and click the "UL" tab. Read that article, and enlighten yourself; then you can continue p!ss!ng in the wind concerning your understanding of "LSU bashing". At least you now, when you defend the "f a g ship" of purple and puke, you'll have to PRETEND to be ignorant instead of actually being so. _
I have read the UL “Name Battle” many times. It is misleading and full of assertions rather than facts. Once again blaming LSU. Not much is mentioned about the other universities crying foul, is there? If I remember, every university in the state had an issue with it.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
foofoochaisson
_ how cute.. He added Lafayette. Coincidence? I think not... _
I've seen LSU addressed in many different ways on this board. What is the official name of your school? On the OFFICIAL athletic website it says "The University of Louisiana at Lafayette. I'm under the impression that UL-Lafayette and UL-Monroe were created on equal footing, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Having said that, I will refer to your school as UL if you would like.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
_ I have read the UL “Name Battle” many times. It is misleading and full of assertions rather than facts. Once again blaming LSU. Not much is mentioned about the other universities crying foul, is there? If I remember, every university in the state had an issue with it. _
Not every other University in the state has the credentials to actually have a valid argument! Thats obvious.. And how the hell would you know that these claims are "misleading"?! Please explain whats misleading about it, and debunk the "assertions" for me.. I want the "facts"
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ I've seen LSU addressed in many different ways on this board. What is the official name of your school? On the OFFICIAL athletic website it says "The University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Having said that, I will refer to your school as UL if you would like. _
Mr. Holic, would you like to know what the OFFICIAL name of your beloved school is? And again, be careful what you wish for..
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
_ I have read the UL “Name Battle” many times. It is misleading and full of assertions rather than facts. Once again blaming LSU. Not much is mentioned about the other universities crying foul, is there? If I remember, every university in the state had an issue with it. _
Why did you have to read it "many times"? It has a slant to it, but it is based in fact. Other state school representatives were a part of the request for reconsideration. The group that authored and lobbied specific legislators to change the law... well, you guessed it. It's history. Can you possibly believe that for one second an institution and its followers could possibly be selfish and self-promoting... to the detriment of another. Would you believe it possible... even if you loved them dearly?
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
bballholic
_ I've seen LSU addressed in many different ways on this board. What is the official name of your school? On the OFFICIAL athletic website it says "The University of Louisiana at Lafayette. I'm under the impression that UL-Lafayette and UL-Monroe were created on equal footing, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Having said that, I will refer to your school as UL if you would like. _
All men are created equal. What they do from that point makes a big difference. We are UL.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
Just1More
_ All men are created equal. What they do from that point makes a big difference. We are UL. _
I'll just put it this way, I'd send my kid to your school over UL-Monroe any day of the week. Personally, I think the battle is between you guys and La Tech.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
foofoochaisson
_ Not every other University in the state has the credentials to actually have a valid argument! Thats obvious.. And how the hell would you know that these claims are "misleading"?! Please explain whats misleading about it, and debunk the "assertions" for me.. I want the "facts" _
“with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board,”
Names? How do you know they were LSU backers or even powerful? Didn’t the previous paragraph say administrators at other schools were against it? Yet only the LSU chancellor gets mentioned as opposing the change.
“Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. “
Would it been ok if a Southern grad would have made the ruling? I would bet that 80% of the judges in Louisiana are LSU Law School grads and the other 20% from Southern, Tulane or Loyola. The only judges without an alleged conflict of interest would have to be educated out of state. I am sure one was available but how practicle was that.
“UL Lafayette (“LOUISIANA”), similar to UC Berkeley (“CALIFORNIA”), UT Knoxville (“TENNESSEE”), UA Fayetteville (“ARKANSAS”), UNC Chapel Hill ("NORTH CAROLINA"), and UT Austin (“TEXAS”), among others, is the largest and oldest of the schools that share the same name.”
Wrong. All of the above are flagship universities of their respective systems in addition to being the oldest and original, except UL-Lafayette. Since there is no official flagship university of the UL system there is no “Louisiana”. But we can pretend!
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
Since there is no official flagship university of the UL system there is no “Louisiana”. But we can pretend! _
70 years ago UL became the 2nd largest state school in Louisiana.
That same year LSU saw fit to open a school in Southwestern Louisiana.
Motive?
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
_ If you want to count all the insignificant four year Universities in Alabama, then they have just as many. I promise you that the funding is not the same to each school, which is what you’re suggesting. Anyway, the premise of my statement is that Louisiana can’t afford to fund all Universities the same. The LSU system & the UL system get the same amount of funds. If a school in the UL system was declared “flagship” of the UL system, then more funds would be funneled to it but the others would suffer.
I continuously see LSU being blamed for UL-Lafayette’s problems on this board. The big boogie man in Baton Rouge. It is starting to sound like AL Sharpton & Jessie Jackson when continuously blaming white America for Black people’s problems. Why not take responsibility for yourself? You all look ridiculous.
Another thing, you keep referring to another flagship university. The assumption here seems to be that UL-Lafayette should be the other flagship. You really think LA Tech, UL-Monroe & others will allow that to happen? I think you have more than LSU to worry about trying to become the flagship school of the UL system. Even if LSU endorsed such an idea, the other schools will fight it. _
Then you have a selective memory or you haven't been reading this board long enough. We don't blame LSUA&MC for all of our problems. We just blame State for the ones caused by LSUA&MC and its sycophants in the state government.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
_ 70 years ago UL became the 2nd largest state school in Louisiana.
That same year LSU saw fit to open a school in Southwestern Louisiana.
Motive? _
Pick on little ole USL?
IN 1967 LSUS was opened.
IN 1970, LA Tech changed to its current name
Motive?
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
Hammer58
_ Then you have a selective memory or you haven't been reading this board long enough. We don't blame LSUA&MC for all of our problems. We just blame State for the ones caused by LSUA&MC and its sycophants in the state government. _
You forgot to ad BR to LSUA&MC while attempting to be facetious. Nobody beyond readers on this message board know what the hell you’re talking about so I will amuse you. You are right, you don’t blame LSU for all your problems. But it does get comical at times how LSU gets brought into a conversation.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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LSUConnMan
_ All I can say is wow! That's quite possibly the stupidest statement I have ever heard from someone that holds a phD? If there was supposed to be 2 or 3 flagship institutions, the concept would be called "Flagships Agenda." The entire concept that Emmert took from UConn and pursued at LSU was founded on the concept that stratification of public institutions is necessary, if a state wants a nationally recognized institution. As opposed to just a bunch of random and unselective institutions that teach kids. This is also a concept that is readily accepted everywhere, and supported by the reality that every state has 1 flagship.
The fact this state happily funds so many additional schools that can't possibly be justified, almost makes it poetic that a mindset exists that stratification of institutions is somehow un-Louisianan. _
So Texas with its 3 flagship universities doesn't work right? or California's multi-flagships don't work either.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
_ “with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board,”
Names? How do you know they were LSU backers or even powerful? Didn’t the previous paragraph say administrators at other schools were against it? Yet only the LSU chancellor gets mentioned as opposing the change.
“Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. “
Would it been ok if a Southern grad would have made the ruling? I would bet that 80% of the judges in Louisiana are LSU Law School grads and the other 20% from Southern, Tulane or Loyola. The only judges without an alleged conflict of interest would have to be educated out of state. I am sure one was available but how practicle was that.
“UL Lafayette (“LOUISIANA”), similar to UC Berkeley (“CALIFORNIA”), UT Knoxville (“TENNESSEE”), UA Fayetteville (“ARKANSAS”), UNC Chapel Hill ("NORTH CAROLINA"), and UT Austin (“TEXAS”), among others, is the largest and oldest of the schools that share the same name.”
Wrong. All of the above are flagship universities of their respective systems in addition to being the oldest and original, except UL-Lafayette. Since there is no official flagship university of the UL system there is no “Louisiana”. But we can pretend! _
Care to show us where that law is written? Or are you just pretending and it is just one of your "man-laws"?
As for those against it, William Jenkins of LSUA&MC was most vocal about it. He publicly expressed his opposition stating his fear that we would ask for a medical or law school. Guess he didn't want to give up that monopoly on power in the state; you know, having large numbers of lawyers or doctors that were alumni of another state university with no ties to LSUA&MC. The LSUA&MC Alumni Association also ran radio ads locally stating that people pushing the UL name change "were trying to hurt LSU" and urging listeners to contact their legislators to voice opposition.
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Re: Savoie on the Budget Cuts
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Originally Posted by
RIVERRANCHMAN
_ You forgot to ad BR to LSUA&MC while attempting to be facetious. Nobody beyond readers on this message board know what the hell you’re talking about so I will amuse you. You are right, you don’t blame LSU for all your problems. But it does get comical at times how LSU gets brought into a conversation. _
I didn't add the BR because its not part of their official name. I want to be accurate since official names seem to be so important to you defenders of the flagship who want to make sure we know our name and, apparently, place. You are only partially correct about no one beyond this board knowing that their name is LSUA&MC. The actual alumni of that institution know it. It’s all the tanktop-wearing bandwagon jumpers who spend all their time telling us to know our place that have no clue. Now since you've already stated that you didn't go to State but are so vociferous in lecturing us in which category does that put you?
