University of Louisiana prepares smoke- and tobacco-free policy

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Originally Posted by SlappyCajun

I agree with a ban on smoking at UL. I disagree on banning smoke in all bars. I believe each bar should be able to choose their smoking policy.

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What's wrong with stepping a few feet to burn one down outside?

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

So in today's America you can smoke a joint or smoke a pole but you can't smoke tobacco. :rolleyes:

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I believe the word you are looking for is bowl...not pole. As in the bowl of a pipe.

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Originally Posted by Big Buds

I believe the word you are looking for is bowl...not pole. As in the bowl of a pipe.

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No, I meant smoke a pole.

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

No, I meant smoke a pole.

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I see, said the blind man.

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

What terrible examples you're using. We're not talking about a guy lighting up in a classroom. That's already illegal and deservedly so. We're talking about making it illegal for a guy sitting on a bench in the quad to light up a cigarette even though no one could possibly be bothered by it.

Banning smoking indoors is done to protect others.
Banning smoking outdoors is done to modify behavior.

That's a huge difference. I'm okay with the government using it's authority to protect others. I'm not okay with the government using it's power in an attempt to change the way people behave. That's not okay. It's not okay for a "committee" to say "I don't like the way you behave, so I'm going to pass a law/policy that forces you to behave the way I think you should behave." If that's not a blatant form of tyranny I don't know what is.

But hell, I'm one of those crazy people who think we shouldn't throw people in jail for years for putting harmful substances in their body. I know I'm in the minority.

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since you brought up alcohol, and no one wants to see that banned, alcohol is actually banned on campus, atleast the academic side of campus.

To me, this issue might be tied more to insurance premiums than modifying behavior. Companies I have worked for past & present make the claim of "smoke free" to help keep insurance cost down.

I'm curious to see how the University will address the use of e-cigarettes on campus, as they are not tobacco products and it is vapor not smoke.

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

How can you say no one could possibly be bothered by it? Should a non-smoker not be able to sit on that bench because a smoker lit up? What about the person walking to class and has to walk through a puff of smoke? I think banning is a bit much, but there needs to be designated areas and non-smoking areas need to be policed. Those areas already exist and no one adheres to them. Who thinks banning will make a difference if it's not policed? I remember the backside of Moody hall. The only way to walk from the quad to the back door was through the smokers pit. It was disgusting.

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The way I see it, that non-smoker can decide for himself whether he wants to sit on a bench with a smoker or move to the next one.

I know smoking rules aren't always enforced but that's not the fault of smokers who follow the rules. We shouldn't blame the rule followers and we certainly shouldn't make rules that punish them. The ironic thing is because the rule breakers already break the current rules, this policy will ONLY HURT those smokers who have been following the rules all these years.

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

The way I see it, that non-smoker can decide for himself whether he wants to sit on a bench with a smoker or move to the next one.

I know smoking rules aren't always enforced but that's not the fault of smokers who follow the rules. We shouldn't blame the rule followers and we certainly shouldn't make rules that punish them. The ironic thing is because the rule breakers already break the current rules, this policy will ONLY HURT those smokers who have been following the rules all these years.

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Reb, at the end of the day, smoking is inherently rude.

Was it my responsibility to wind my way down Jefferson last week during Festivale to avoid smokers? Nevermind cigarettes tend to be at eye level of a 4 or 5 year-old.

Should I not go to Cajun Walk on the chance I'll be standing somewhere when a smoker walks up and stands next to me?

If I'm sitting at a park bench and somebody sits down next to me and lights up, is it my responsibility to move?

I don't have a problem with designated smoking areas.

But the smokers on Jefferson Street last week, were just as much a pain in the butt as those little knuckleheads with their skateboards or the hipsters and their pedicabs.

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Originally Posted by Big Buds

I see, said the blind man.

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You have to understand my friend. Hammer, myself, Steve Bodden and our spouses had the unfortunate experience of visiting San Francisco back in September.
Long story, but it all ties in. Trust me..it all ties in. LOL

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Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee

Reb, at the end of the day, smoking is inherently rude.

Was it my responsibility to wind my way down Jefferson last week during Festivale to avoid smokers? Nevermind cigarettes tend to be at eye level of a 4 or 5 year-old.

Should I not go to Cajun Walk on the chance I'll be standing somewhere when a smoker walks up and stands next to me?

If I'm sitting at a park bench and somebody sits down next to me and lights up, is it my responsibility to move?

I don't have a problem with designated smoking areas.

But the smokers on Jefferson Street last week, were just as much a pain in the butt as those little knuckleheads with their skateboards or the hipsters and their pedicabs.

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+10000

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Originally Posted by Zeebart21

You have to understand my friend. Hammer, myself, Steve Bodden and our spouses had the unfortunate experience of visiting San Francisco back in September.
Long story, but it all ties in. Trust me..it all ties in. LOL

Z

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I think I saw it and I'm actually the blind man.

For the record, I think smoking cigarettes or poles (are any other eastern European ethnicity) should be done in designated areas.

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Originally Posted by Zeebart21

You have to understand my friend. Hammer, myself, Steve Bodden and our spouses had the unfortunate experience of visiting San Francisco back in September.
Long story, but it all ties in. Trust me..it all ties in. LOL

Z

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Too funny! I'll take your word for it. San Fran is one of the great city's of the world...sorry your experience was a let down. I have not been since the late 90's. Loved it though!

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Originally Posted by Big Buds

Too funny! I'll take your word for it. San Fran is one of the great city's of the world...sorry your experience was a let down. I have not been since the late 90's. Loved it though!

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Nawww, beautiful place..absolutely gorgeous.. ____ed up laws in a ____ed up state on the verge of bankruptcy. Been there twice in the last 3 years. I'll go back but its strictly touch down or wheels up... either on my way to or from Napa or Monterey.

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Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee

I think I saw it and I'm actually the blind man.

For the record, I think smoking cigarettes or poles (are any other eastern European ethnicity) should be done in designated areas.

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LOL!! When the clown next to me is crushing his blunt, no one cares.. I light that stogie up and almost have to punch some clown because he's offended by one and not the other. :}

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Originally Posted by Zeebart21

LOL!! When the clown next to me is crushing his blunt, no one cares.. I light that stogie up and almost have to punch some clown because he's offended by one and not the other. :}

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That is strange...

And while I think both should be done in designated areas, smoking stogies in public doesn't perpetuate a myth.

Smoking Lithuanians does.

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Originally Posted by Big Buds

That is strange...

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strange but true, my friend..Obviously it has changed since the 90's when you went last. :)

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Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee

And while I think both should be done in designated areas, smoking stogies in public doesn't perpetuate a myth.

Smoking Lithuanians does.

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I am assuming smoking a Cuban or Dominican will leave a better taste in my mouth than a Lithuanian??... especially if I am enjoying them with a Scot(ch)?

LOL!!

Thread officially killed. NEXT!

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Originally Posted by Zeebart21

I am assuming smoking a Cuban or Dominican will leave a better taste in my mouth than a Lithuanian??... especially if I am enjoying them with a Scot(ch)?

LOL!!

Thread officially killed. NEXT!

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

this is such a dumb argument...
smoking is bad for everyone...
pollutes their own body and the ones in close proximity of a smoker...
i have no sympathy for smokers...
no one forced anyone to start smoking...its a choice smokers took upon themselves.

bye bye smoking on campus (and would love all bars to be non-smoking) :)

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Originally Posted by Zeebart21

strange but true, my friend..Obviously it has changed since the 90's when you went last. :)

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I don't smoke, but isn't it wonderful to have smoking free campus and have many of the same people pushing to legalize blunt and smoke in public! Genius!

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Originally Posted by CajunT

I don't smoke, but isn't it wonderful to have smoking free campus and have many of the same people pushing to legalize blunt and smoke in public! Genius!

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I like the idea of a smoke-free campus, but I don't necessarily endorse the legalization of marijuana.

And I've never seen anybody talking about legalizing marijuana smoking in public.

I'm of the opinion that smoking in public, whether it's a cigarette or a stogie or marijuana or a Serb, is equally obnoxious.

"We're from the government, we're here to HELP you!" ... :ms07:

Bottom line. I will smoke my stogies at the tailgate..







Until the cops show up and tell me to put it out. :)

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