Burnt ROUX: Miller Time is Up (at UL)

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Originally Posted by talktomewillis

With Davis and Miller, there were things that necessitated their departure.

We praise good citizens. But when we don't win, we suddently don't care that much.

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Makes sense. Since Miller complained about his place in the option pecking order, that could have easily been a locker room thing.

Davis, unless he is hurt, his issue may had followed him to Tyler.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

3 weeks ago you said you hadn't been to a game in two years.

He's was much better in person.

Leading rebounder per minutes played.

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I haven't but I watch every single game unlike most here based on the in game threads. You won't convince me although I know you'll fall on the sword trying.

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Originally Posted by talktomewillis

With Davis and Miller, there were things that necessitated their departure.

We praise good citizens. But when we don't win, we suddently don't care that much.

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As in most walks of life, we are often willing to "put up" with more from individuals who have an ability to help teams win. You see it across the board. Especially here. I can think of guys going back years and I'm sure you can as well. Michael Southall?

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Originally Posted by zephyr

As in most walks of life, we are often willing to "put up" with more from individuals who have an ability to help teams win. You see it across the board. Especially here. I can think of guys going back years and I'm sure you can as well. Michael Southall?

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Yep. But no longer.

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Originally Posted by talktomewillis

Yep. But no longer.

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Maybe we should rethink that strategy.

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Originally Posted by zephyr

I haven't but I watch every single game unlike most here based on the in game threads. You won't convince me although I know you'll fall on the sword trying.

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I'm just sayin his ave. scoring numbers while learning a totally new system are up, and with another year in the same system they would have been up even more.

YKTT

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Originally Posted by Turbine

I'm just sayin his ave. scoring numbers while learning a totally new system are up, and with another year in the same system they would have been up even more.

YKTT

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Another way to look at it is Dou Gueye most probably wouldn’t be here if Miller stayed. He is the current leader in rebounds per minute played (albeit about 2 less per 40 than Miller last year). The rest of Gueye’s numbers are very similar to what Miller put up over his career. Dou is also one of only 3 guys who has played every game. Miller may have made a slight difference with an uptick in his production but it would have to mainly be considered a wash.

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Originally Posted by zephyr

Maybe we should rethink that strategy.

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At this level you win with renegades and coaches that can controll them win often ... Choir boys don't get it done

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Originally Posted by Turbine

I'm just sayin his ave. scoring numbers while learning a totally new system are up, and with another year in the same system they would have been up even more.

YKTT

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That is not an obvious prediction and even if they would have been, they very well may have been to the detriment of the team. In the 2017-18 year, we would bring him in off the bench when we were doing well and the ball would automatically stop moving. When he got the ball he'd isolate on someone or try to take on 3 defenders and turn it over. His 3pt shooting percentage went way down when he tried to start shooting so many more of them. His defense was bad, really bad and playing more minutes would have made that more obvious in an expanded role. He was second on the team in turnovers even though he played many less minutes than the starters. Like I said, there is nothing you will say to make me think differently.

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Originally Posted by Hatch

Another way to look at it is Dou Gueye most probably wouldn’t be here if Miller stayed. He is the current leader in rebounds per minute played (albeit about 2 less per 40 than Miller last year). The rest of Gueye’s numbers are very similar to what Miller put up over his career. Dou is also one of only 3 guys who has played every game. Miller may have made a slight difference with an uptick in his production but it would have to mainly be considered a wash.

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and Gueye is a better defender and gives us someone who can be more of a rim protector which we sorely need this year. Gueye is not great but I see more talent in him than I saw in Miller and I think his upside is greater.

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Originally Posted by talktomewillis

With Davis and Miller, there were things that necessitated their departure.

We praise good citizens. But when we don't win, we suddently don't care that much.

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Being a good citizen is important. But apparently you can be a good citizen in Colorado but not Louisiana.

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Originally Posted by zephyr

That is not an obvious prediction and even if they would have been, they very well may have been to the detriment of the team. In the 2017-18 year, we would bring him in off the bench when we were doing well and the ball would automatically stop moving. When he got the ball he'd isolate on someone or try to take on 3 defenders and turn it over. His 3pt shooting percentage went way down when he tried to start shooting so many more of them. His defense was bad, really bad and playing more minutes would have made that more obvious in an expanded role. He was second on the team in turnovers even though he played many less minutes than the starters. Like I said, there is nothing you will say to make me think differently.

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How would you rank his rebounding last year when compared to the team?