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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
CajunEXPRESS
Of course paying Marlin more won’t make him a better coach. Obviously the greater pay actually should reflect our willingness to retain or aquire whatever coach is in question. That’s why a extension was foolish. Nobody was knocking on the Big Fish door.
Ask Dr. Maggard why he did it next time you see him. If the extension had been granted in March when he would have only one year left going into spring and early signing recruiting, there would be lots fewer questions about it. Also, if only two years had been added rather than three, that would have been more palatable to some.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Hatch
If Marlin were able to put together a season good enough to get an at large berth here don’t worry about it. The next year another school will be paying him, and it will be a lot more than $750k.
I would bet Marlin and 100% of people on this board would love that.
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Marlin isn’t going anywhere. Someone would’ve scooped him up by now.
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Originally Posted by
CajunEXPRESS
Top four was only one of his requirements. Really read it all. Mine is consistently top three, mostly real chance at regular season champs. Plus he’s going to the NCAA often. He’s done none of that nearly often enough, and never parlayed regular and NCAA appearances.
Being in the SBC 4th is similar to being 15-21 quarterback in NFL
Finishing in the top 4 of the Sun Belt is a minimum requirement of mine added to more postseason appearances. And to be honest with you, even that might be too low of a floor of expectations in this terrible conference.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
Finishing in the top 4 of the Sun Belt is a minimum requirement of mine. And to be honest with you, even that might be too low of a floor of expectations in this terrible conference.
Those were my thoughts. Heck, we should be in the top 2 every trip of the train in my book.
I might have said Top 4 before, figuring that UTA and Little Rock were pouring funds into their programs, but from info recently posted, that doesn't appear to be the case at all. Who else in this league really has any history at all in basketball other Ga State and the Cajuns? Maybe there's someone there and I'm just not remembering them, but I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
Those were my thoughts. Heck, we should be in the top 2 every trip of the train in my book.
I might have said Top 4 before, figuring that UTA and Little Rock were pouring funds into their programs, but from info recently posted, that doesn't appear to be the case at all. Who else in this league really has any history at all in basketball other Ga State and the Cajuns? Maybe there's someone there and I'm just not remembering them, but I don't think so.
Careful. Your expectations might be too unrealistic by members of the Krewe de Corner Bar.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
Those were my thoughts. Heck, we should be in the top 2 every trip of the train in my book.
I might have said Top 4 before, figuring that UTA and Little Rock were pouring funds into their programs, but from info recently posted, that doesn't appear to be the case at all. Who else in this league really has any history at all in basketball other Ga State and the Cajuns? Maybe there's someone there and I'm just not remembering them, but I don't think so.
ULM has a good history, but all the good parts were 30 + years ago. USA was pretty salty for a while, but have been bad for a while now.
Only GaSt has been decent on any kind of consistant basis for the last decade.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
VObserver
ULM has a good history, but all the good parts were 30 + years ago. USA was pretty salty for a while, but have been bad for a while now.
Only GaSt has been decent on any kind of consistant basis for the last decade.
USA crossed my mind, ULM not. Then again, if this were one of their message boards, they might be saying the same stuff about us not being decent on any kind of consistant basis.
Guess I just live in the past.....or at least long for it.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
USA crossed my mind, ULM not. Then again, if this were one of their message boards, they might be saying the same stuff about us not being decent on any kind of consistant basis.
Guess I just live in the past.....or at least long for it.
ULM was pretty good when they had Greg Procell, and when they had Calvin Natt. I believe they are on some lists as a top100 basketball tradition school. Dont remember where I saw that, though.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
Remember those Billy Tubbs teams? Those were some dogfights.
People talk about hate. That was hate.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Hatch
If Marlin were able to put together a season good enough to get an at large berth here don't worry about it. The next year another school will be paying him, and it will be a lot more than $750k.
Too old and he has a tatoo
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
Too old and he has a tatoo
Is it one of those, Blood is Thicker Then Water, tats?
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
Is it one of those, Blood is Thicker Then Water, tats?
It's the one he got when he promised his team he would get one if they made some milestone - maybe the NCAA BERTH. I think it's something with the state of Louisiana and maybe a 🌶 or a 🔥 Flame.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
Remember those Billy Tubbs teams? Those were some dogfights.
People talk about hate. That was hate.
Yup. Darth Vader level of hate.
Still remember the time Lamar was out of time outs so Tubbs got the refs to look at nails in the floor supposedly coming out. Paschal then pulled the same move when the ball was ready to put in play. Classic Blackham.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ZoomZoom
Yup. Darth Vader level of hate.
Still remember the time Lamar was out of time outs so Tubbs got the refs to look at nails in the floor supposedly coming out. Paschal then pulled the same move when the ball was ready to put in play. Classic Blackham.
Of course, that was small-time basketball back then, kinda like those Shipley teams that Willis said wouldn't even get a whiff today from the NCAA's.
I wonder how many fans were in Blackham the night Tubbs pulled that one? You recall?
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Originally Posted by
Cajunfanatico
Of course, that was small-time basketball back then, kinda like those Shipley teams that Willis said wouldn't even get a whiff today from the NCAA's.
I wonder how many fans were in Blackham the night Tubbs pulled that one? You recall?
Capacity. Lamar had the three stooges...Davis, Key and Olivier.
Our at large team, nope, would not make it today. UTPA, Stetson and teams like that would kill our SOS today. That’s 4 games not counting the non D-1 games that would be SOS killers. We passed the eye test back then.
I’ve posted my position twice...last year’s brackets. People have their opinions set and nobody is changing. Akin to piz zing into a box fan.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ZoomZoom
Capacity. Lamar had the three stooges...Davis, Key and Olivier.
Our at large team, nope, would not make it today. UTPA, Stetson and teams like that would kill our SOS today. That’s 4 games not counting the non D-1 games that would be SOS killers. We passed the eye test back then.
I’ve posted my position twice...last year’s brackets. People have their opinions set and nobody is changing. Akin to piz zing into a box fan.
Who they were yesterday, much like us back then is entirely different from how programs perform today. They were much better then, than they are today. My opinion is that same UL team, along with Marquette, Georgetown and a few others we defeated back then were much better during those eras'. Georgetown was much more a national power during the John Thompson era than what they are today. While I agree under today's system that UL team wouldn't sniff an at large invitation, it certainly would be better than every team in our conference today including our 27 win team last year. JMO
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
So since I’m supposed to bring all of the negativity into this thread, I will say this.
Tonight sucked. The end.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
So since I’m supposed to bring all of the negativity into this thread, I will say this.
Tonight sucked. The end.
And we blew our wad early.
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
And we blew our wad early.
We didn't have a wad
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
talktomewillis
Fanatico, the answer to your question is....EVERYTHING has changed.
Beryl Shipley's teams, based on their body of work, would never have sniffed the NCAA tournament with today's criteria (unless they got an auto bid.)
One of the greatest accomplishments in our long basketball history is when USL got an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament with Bobby Paschal. Today, that team wouldn't have been considered.
What happened is the sport exploded. And, with billions of dollars in TV rights, the big conferences have done everything possible to exclude virtually everyone that isn't in one of the Big 6 conferences.
We were all enthralled by Loyola-Chicago last year. Reality is, had they not won their conference tournament, they wouldn't have been invited. It's the way it is today.
We have watched the interest in college basketball in the Deep South all but disappear. Fans are staying away in droves in conferences like the Sun Belt, Southland, Atlantic Sun and CUSA (with exception of those schools not considered in the Deep South or basketball crazy states like N Carolina and Kentucky.)
I have said many times......we loved the days of Lamar and Toney. Those days are gone. They aren't coming back. Too much has changed with recruiting and big time college basketball. Occasionally we can catch lightning in a bottle and get an Elfrid.
As far as your Marquetti comment is concerned, while he is not a Toney or a Lamar, he's a damn good basketball player. An NBA player? No. But a player who can make a great living overseas.
Regardless of what caliber of team you have, when you lose your best player (and I think Malik was certainly our most versatile because of everything he could do) you aren't going to be nearly as good.
And, over the years, that hasn't changed.
Last year we won a championship. And, the same people on this board who vilified Bob Marlin several years ago when he said it all comes down to three days in March, got ____ed off last year when they found out he was right.
Scott Cross is the winningest coach in UTA history. He's had some fine teams since joining the Sun Belt. But he won a title, got upset in the conference tournament and was fired because he never made the NCAA tournament. Several criticized UTA for that move.
And, now some of those same people want to do the same to Marlin.
Some of the criticism of Marlin I agree with. I don't like the schedule. I wish we had more OOC success against good teams. I HATE playing non D-1's (even though Shipley and Paschal played more than their share).
But none of that means anything when it comes to the main goal, which is to win championships. Bob Marlin has won two in the last five years. And, the Lannisters and Victorys of the world would be a lot more quiet had it not been for losing one freaking game in March.
But that's the way it is with millennials.
The reality is no one dominates mid major leagues. Not the Sun Belt, not CUSA, not the ASun, not the MAC. And, to suggest we should is complete folly.
There are 12 teams in this league. It is the league we are in. Only one school has had more championships over the last five years.
But hey, what do I know.
So is the goal of the program to finish with the second amount of conference championships in the league? That is what we hang banners for? Georgia St. owns us and the rest of this conference. We had "one of our best teams in school history" in 2018, got bounced in the conference tournament, lost to Ron Hunter, and watched him cut down the nets in New Orleans again. He owns Bob. No matter how much we wish it weren't the case, he has the right mentality. The goal for a mid-major is to make the tournament, IMO. The only way to do that is to win your conference championship game, which you can improve the chances of with a successful run from January to March. Ron gets it, Bob doesn't. He has wins in the tournament with GA St. and we do not, despite having a lottery pick. Simonds will roll over us on Thursday and we have no way of stopping him. I hate it but it is true.
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
Lamers getting a million in spite of their awful season
https://www.nola.com/tulane/2019/01/...-fogelman.html
Come on Bobby go find some UL Big Money fans.
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Originally Posted by
CajunEXPRESS
That's the part that troubles me. HUD for all his warts was a great money raiser and I appreciate that fact. Every coach should be seeking funds for more opportunities.
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Originally Posted by
angeleast
That's the part that troubles me. HUD for all his warts was a great money raiser and I appreciate that fact. Every coach should be seeking funds for more opportunities.
Well apparently, the basketball staff does raise money only to flip it back to using the proceeds to buy goodies for the donors. LOL
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Re: MBB G13 Final: Louisiana 73, SLU 72
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
Well apparently, the basketball staff does raise money only to flip it back to using the proceeds to buy goodies for the donors. LOL
I know you are being facetious there. However to clarify, value of perks going to donors is probably less than 500 dollars.
