Lies, damn lies and stats---can somebody list the '08 UL system enrollments????-I see all the % increases and a lot of it is on-line students---what gives????
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Lies, damn lies and stats---can somebody list the '08 UL system enrollments????-I see all the % increases and a lot of it is on-line students---what gives????
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Enrollment numbers for UL's fall 2008 semester are showing signs of forward progress for the university.
Preliminary enrollment for the fall 2008 semester is 16,320 - a number just slightly lower than last year's enrollment of 16,345.
And while officials say the stable numbers for overall enrollment are a positive sign, more encouraging numbers show up in the sizes of the sophomore and junior classes.
This year's sophomore class of 3,012 and junior class of 2,682 are both larger than last year's class sizes.
This year, the sophomore class grew by 53 students and the junior class grew by 66.
These numbers are encouraging when measured against a stable freshman class size of just over 2,700.
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Carolyn Bruder, director of academic planning and faculty development, said it's a good sign when sophomore and junior class numbers grow, while freshman class sizes are stable.
"What it shows is that students are moving on to their sophomore year instead of being stuck in that first 30 hours," Bruder said. "And that's what we want. We want them to move towards graduation."
Getting students graduated on time has long been a concern for the university. Current numbers show that students are taking longer than the traditional four years to graduate.
Of the full-time first-semester freshman entering the university in 2000, only 18 percent had graduated within four years. That number jumped to 40 percent within six years.
Transfer students fared better. Of the full-time transfer students entering the university in 2000, 38 percent graduated within four years, and 50 percent had graduated within six years.
The university points to its evolving admission standards as a cause. The shift from open to selective admissions in 1999 has fostered a change in the academic profile of incoming students.
In the years following the shift to selective admissions, ACT scores of incoming freshman have risen steadily, and now 39 percent of incoming freshmen represent the top 25 percent of their graduating class.
Vice President for Academic Affairs Steve Landry thinks selective admissions is playing a role in bringing these students to UL.
"I think it can be credited to enrolling better prepared students who meet our higher admissions standards," Landry said. "We can see that students are staying on course to graduate on time and are prepared to enter the workforce."
That enrollment boost isn't just being felt at the undergraduate level. This year's graduate school enrollment numbers are showing significant growth.
Fall 2008 enrollment for the graduate school is 1,403 - a 119 student increase over last year's 1,284.
This nine percent increase spells good news for the graduate school, one of the stated growth areas under UL President Joe Savoie's new administration.
Since the start of his tenure, Savoie has pointed to the graduate school as a key factor in the university's future. The creation of new programs - including expanded career-specific training in existing disciplines and multidisciplinary programs for training new kinds of professionals - have been stated goals for growth.
Savoie has said he believes the graduate school plays a pivotal role in the growth of not only the university, but also the community.
"If we continue doing the right kinds of research and attract new students to our graduate programs," Savoie said, "we can continue to positively shape the future."
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Great guns through 1985...
What happened since then?
Did the same thing happen at the other in state schools?
Selective admissions. That would be my guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by drumroll
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I don't think the select admissions were in place yet --- -Less warm bodies out of high school-could be wrong--- when I was working with Jostens it seems we were worried about falling student numbers for a time--- what about on-line classes ???? Tech and ULM said their classes have picked up due to on-line!!!!!
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Originally Posted by drumroll
1) The oil bust. LA has been losing population since the 80's
2) Selective addmissions.
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Originally Posted by MetryCajun
If I'm not mistaken, LSU continues to have an increase in enrollment and is now over 30,000 and is selective admissions with possibly higher admission standards than we have. Southeastern is continuing to grow and is very close to passing UL as the 2nd largest university. Up until now, I am not aware of anything the university has done to increase overall enrollment. I would think that by now we should have at least 20,000 students.
State was at 30K+ from 1999 -2005 but not last year. TOPs probably helps them more than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonCajun
From the Advocate
LSU enrollment dips 4%
Friday, September 21, 2007
LSUs enrollment dipped more than 4 percent this year with a fall semester class of 28,019 students, according to the university. LSU Chancellor Sean O?Keefe said Thursday LSU expected the decline, noting that the university was too big just a few years ago with nearly 31,000 students.
Compare UNO's current enrollment with pre Katrina versus Southeastern's growth in the same timeframe. There may be a connection.
Most evereyone else is seeing leveled attendance figures or small increases.
None of this has much to do with UL except maybe bragging rights. Whether we have 14 or 20K, it's really about the quality of the education more so than the number of bodies walking the campus.
Added FYI:
University of New Orleans
Fall 2005: 17,142
Fall 2006: 11,747
Fall 2007: 11,363
Fall 2008: 11,428
The enrollment levels don't mean a whole lot. A big drop would be bad, obviously, and a big gain would be both good and bad. If UL had +20,000 students, the campus would be even more clogged than it is now and the increase in revenues from the new students would probably be offset by the need for new instructors and facilities (which are already in a bad state and backlogged). If enrollment is steady and academic achievement goes up, then we're doing well.
If SLU ends up topping UL's enrollment, it will be kind of a downer just because of bragging rights, but SLU is a long way from UL in terms of academic quality. I think LSU's selective admissions has had a lot to do with SLU's growth. There are a lot of people from Baton Rouge who go to SLU because they couldn't get in to LSU. The only thing about SLU that scares me, and this is just a gut feeling, is that they probably "know their place" better and will be rewarded for it while UL, who strives to grow and accomplish things outside of the shadow of the flagship will be punished for its insubordination.
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Originally Posted by Cajun Power
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Originally Posted by DestinCajun
Here are some enrollment figures found in the 09/25/08 Advocate -
UL
2008 16,320
2007 16,345
Southeastern La.
2008 15,224
2007 14,757
LaStateAM&C@BR
2008 28,194
2007 28,019
Southern U
2008 7,745
2007 8,288
These numbers should be good news for the folks who are concerned that we might drop out of second place in enrollment.
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UL - Eighty high school valedictorians will begin their first semester at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette this fall.
The group is the university’s largest class of valedictorians — for now, ULL President Joseph Savoie told a group of potential recruits visiting the campus Wednesday.
“We want you to help us beat that record when you come,” Savoie said.
The message was directed to nearly 200 high school seniors from across south Louisiana invited to the campus for a “backyard” barbecue and face time with college deans and administrators.
For many of the students, such as Dylan Creasman of Abbeville High, it was their first visit to the campus.
“I’m interested in architecture and pretty much set on UL,” Creasman said.
The proximity to his home, which is about a 30-minute drive away, is another selling factor, he said.
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“I could consider LSU, but I’d rather be close to home,” he said.
Wednesday’s recruitment effort is just one of the new ways the university is reaching out to the area’s brightest students.
“We want to make sure local students know about the quality of education they can get in their backyard,” said Steve Landry, ULL provost and vice president of academic affairs.
That’s why despite a $7.5 million budget cut this fiscal year, ULL has increased its investment in attracting students to the university and ensuring they have the support they need to finish their degree.
Last year, the university increased its recruitment and retention spending by 49 percent from $256,000 to $381,000, according to Jerry Luke LeBlanc, ULL vice president of finance and administration.
This year, the budget was increased by 26 percent to $481,000.
Since January, the university has juggled a $10.8 million in budget reductions and nearly $3 million in unfunded mandated costs.
The investments are necessary, in part because state funding is now tied to performance, rather than full-time enrollment, LeBlanc said.
“When you have a formula based on completion, it’s all about what the institution can do to make the student succeed, so you need to make those investments — no matter what the fiscal environment is,” he said.
Some of the initiatives being funded are additional admissions/recruitment counselors and outreach to under-enrolled populations, such as adults interested in returning to college, said DeWayne Bowie, ULL vice president of enrollment management. The vice president position was created last year.
Tuition increases are expected to add an additional $3.2 million to ULL’s budget this year.
But the enrollment initiatives aren’t focused on high counts for the bursar’s office. It’s more about high GPAs and ACT scores and that will likely mean growing more selective in admissions, Savoie has said.
The university began phasing in admission standards in 1999 and has seen its retention rate steadily improve.
In fall 1998, the university only retained 62.9 percent or 1,743 of the 2,773 freshmen who had enrolled in fall 1997.
Of the 2,660 freshmen who enrolled in fall 2007, 73.3 percent or 1,951 were retained in fall 2008.
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We only have 15k enrollment???? What is the deal at Tech and ULM???? I heard that their school population was up--but I can't see that we are going down and with the North La loss of population that their numbers are increasing---I think folkes are playing games with online students!!!!!!
There's no way that enrollment is only 15k. This past week on campus showed that.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx
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Not sure what Tech and ULM are claiming, but ULM has a little more than half the students UL has. I know because I went there for two years. Tech is probably the same size as UL if I had to guess, a whole bunch of Shreveport kids.
igeaux.mobi
Tech
has never had more than about 12,000 stude
nts that I've ever heard of and I thought we had beem flirting with 17,000 for the last couple years.
igeaux.mobi
I don't know WHERE you are getting these numbers from.
http://www.ulsystem.net/assets/docs/...ment_20081.pdf
From the UL System.
ULL 16,320 Down .15%
Tech 10,950 Up 3%
ULM 8,767 Up 2.5%
I believe these figures are only undergraduates. Could be wrong though.
I know SLCC has had a major pump in students over the summer. That could have something to do w/ it.
Also, your enrollment went down by 25 students.
I wouldn't call that statistically significant.
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Also. You're pulling this north LA population loss from thin air. There's no such thing, and even if there was, you wouldn't know it until the census is completed in 2010. I've never heard this. Ever.
Ruston is growing, Shreveport is growing, and Monroe is relatively stable, if not dropping slightly. The Haynesville Shale, V-Vehicle plant, and other new industry that has recently come about in North LA will show the opposite trend.
At least these figures look realistic compared to others I've seen recently!Quote:
Originally Posted by LATechDawgs
I had posted this before-----on the Moon Griffon show a guy ---I think his name was Elliot Stonecipher( I am sure I am killing the spelling) talked about Louisiana losing a congressman---this is based on population as we all know---BUT he mentioned the redistricting and that North La would get only one---BECAUSE of the loss of population and he then mentioned the number of 25-40 year old women that had left the area===That is what was said!!!!
I was told that we have the most graduate students of the 3 schools---Don't know but Cajun Fun is our dude for stats!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NOCajun