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Head of Knuckle... the Indy incident affected UL alone. Our local representatives acted on our behalf... as they should (get it?... local representation). The budget cuts for higher education are state-wide... they even hit LaTech... does "your" fervor have you vocalizing "your" displeasure with the Copenhagen-toting toothless representatives from Tech-land? (chuckling, snickering... grinning with a full set of bright white shiny teeth)Quote:
Originally Posted by snote
Are you serious? Ole Miss or MSU? Texas or A&M? UF or FSU? I challenge you to find any person in any of those states that will tell you MSU, A&M, or FSU is the state's flagship. The only state in the country where you could possibly find a gray area is California or Virginia. Even then, it would be difficult to find people that will tell you UCLA, not Berkeley is the Flagship, or in VA, UVA's a great school, but William and Mary's the unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by ULBaby!
As for North Carolina, UNC is THE school. Be it an NC resident, or any other potential student, and that's the primary target...if you attend another state school, it's only because UNC rejected you.
That's incorrect, after Phillip Austin left Bama, he brought the concept to Connecticut. After the model was instituted there, the university went from a bottom tier institution, to the top public school in New England and a first tier university in a matter of 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
Emmert took the concept from Connecticut and brought it to LSU, whose national reputation has improved significantly in the last 10 years, and he's continued to pursue the concept in Washington (which for some reason has garnered resentment from the WSU people)
The concept works, and has been adopted by far more than two states....and in every state, there's bound to be resentment from the "other" schools. The reality of the matter is, higher ed is a zero sum game.
Not true... both Texas AND aTm are considered flagship universities in Texas. "Flagship university" is not necessarily a title granted to only one institution in a state. It was generally held that the land grant universities were tagged with the flagship status in many states... although it is normal that the largest public institution in a state gets tagged as the "flagship"... many times it refers to the primary named institution that has sites spread across the state. It is a loosely used term. Louisiana state legislators use it for self-assisting "needs" in the state of Louisiana.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUConnMan
The issue is not so much "flagship" or not... it is whether a state underminds its own public colleges and universities in order to prop up only one. My aunt was a medical professor at a leading institution (not in Louisiana). She told me that in was widely held in academic circles that Louisiana choked its state university institutions in order to advance LSU in national rankings. It is a disservice to the state of Louisiana... and we pay for it. But... we do get some national championships out of it!!!!!! And that is... after all... what it's all about!!!
Have no fear... there is little chance of things getting any better in this state. And, like most UL students... I could have gone to any Louisiana state school... and chose UL... and chose correctly.
You're good. Definitely the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbine
What a surprise! Don't those people understand the concept of "knowing their place"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUConnMan
This is nothing new.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUConnMan
I can assure you the concept "started" in Louisiana decades ago with Huey P. Long.
It just took someone else to come up with a name for it and easily sell the perfect fit back to Louisiana.
Definitely not. Take it from someone who was grew up in NC, only alumni of UNC-CH have that view of the Chapel Hill campus of the UNC. It goes by programs; you want to be lawyer, doctor, or historian, then UNC-CH (and equally Duke or Wake Forest but we're limiting ourselves to the state schools) is the leader while the people who want to be engineers, chemists, and such go to NC State.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUConnMan
On top of that, the UNC system (which consists of all state-owned four year institutions of higher learning) doesn't starve the other campuses in the system in favor of the original campus (doesn't matter if you're UNC-Asheville, UNC-Wilmington, UNC-Charlotte, UNC-Pembroke, AppState, Western Carolina, W-S State, NC A&T, ...).
If you're going to compare higher education in NC vs. our system here in LA, then you have to consider it as a counterexample to the "Flagship" crap instead of supporting that idea.
One more point on this topic:
Both UL and LSU supporters need to work together with our legislature to fix the state constitution so that higher education and health care isn't the only thing that gets nuked when the state has to tighten the budgetary belts. This affects the entire state; only public safety, IMO, should have higher priority than these two items when it comes time to decide what gets cut and what doesn't.
The bottom line is UL is about to get it broken off in the arse! We need to do all we can to soften the blow! This will not be pretty Guys! Contact your elected officials!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by awadelewis
Alabama & Louisiana have nearly identical populations & average per capita incomes. Alabama education expeditures are comparable to LA. The problem in LA is the number of Universities. Another university would have to emerge as a "flagship" school and none of the "other" schools in the state are going to back down.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
A "flagship" school by its very definition should have the best interests of all state universities. They should be a leader. That isn't the case in Louisiana and it's pretty sad. Nothing defines that situation better then the fight for the name change at UL and the obvious feelings of contempt that many people feel for every other school other then the "flagship". Seems ridiculous to me and a waste of people's time and money. So much good could come for both schools if one didn't feel the need to keep the other under its thumb.
Read the whole paragraph; Alabama has at least as many public 4 year cilleges as Louisiana. Find another excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN
If you want to count all the insignificant four year Universities in Alabama, then they have just as many. I promise you that the funding is not the same to each school, which is what you’re suggesting. Anyway, the premise of my statement is that Louisiana can’t afford to fund all Universities the same. The LSU system & the UL system get the same amount of funds. If a school in the UL system was declared “flagship” of the UL system, then more funds would be funneled to it but the others would suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
I continuously see LSU being blamed for UL-Lafayette’s problems on this board. The big boogie man in Baton Rouge. It is starting to sound like AL Sharpton & Jessie Jackson when continuously blaming white America for Black people’s problems. Why not take responsibility for yourself? You all look ridiculous.
Another thing, you keep referring to another flagship university. The assumption here seems to be that UL-Lafayette should be the other flagship. You really think LA Tech, UL-Monroe & others will allow that to happen? I think you have more than LSU to worry about trying to become the flagship school of the UL system. Even if LSU endorsed such an idea, the other schools will fight it.
he says, as he lives in lafayette, probably raises his children in lafayette, and earns his living in lafayette. pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN
Where did this rediculous statement come from? Anyone who knows anything about higher education in LA knows this is utterly false.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN
In 1939 UL became the 2nd largest state school.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN
That same year LSU saw fit to open a school in Southwestern Louisiana.
Motive?
Oh yes…..the old support UL or move out of town threat. The trouble with some of you guys is your definition of “support” which usually means do not support LSU in any way. Problem with that is you’re the minority in town. That attitude will not benefit UL-Lafayette and will only ostracize the university from the main stream public. Most residents of Lafayette support both universities but LSU does have priority, much to the chagrin of the UL-Lafayette malcontents. No, I am not an LSU graduate, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajun Saint
Do you think Tech, ULM and others would also support the existing state system, if allowed to vote on that? I just polled them and Tech and ULM agreed... let's divide LSU's funding, call the 3 of us "flagships" and let LSU survive completely off of its private funding and athletic national championships for the next 10 years. Watch how fast the bumper stickers and t-shirt sales dry up.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN
I personally could care less about being another "flagship", so keep your "you all look ridiculous" comments to yourself. Your analogy of Sharpton/Jackson, two political panderers, is completely off-base. Racial issues and the parasites you mentioned have nothing to do with the facts about this state's higher education funding predicament facing UL. It wouldn't take much to turn your analogy around and have your favorite institution framed with Al and Jessie... "proclaimed protected entitlements".
UL is continuously limited in making growth initiatives in this state, despite having made much greater strides than other equally less funded state universities. Are our graduates not also competing nationally/globally for their and our economic benefit... and aren't we a component of this state's potential progress? Is it not appropriate to keep working toward competing nationally for research money, better professors, improved facilities, etc? UL is very fortunate to be in Lafayette, a city that has grown enormously economically since its Vermillionville days. As it has grown, so too should its largest single financial economic contributor... UL. Why shouldn't UL get a line share of state taxpayer support as the second largest institution in the state? It stands to reason that as you process more students, you should also be supported proportionately.
As you say... take responsibility for yourself. Trying to right the pathetic budget manipulations in this state IS "taking responsibility for ourselves". UL, whether you like it or not, is one of YOUR state taxpayer institutions. Take pride in it, "Lafayette" RiverRanchMan, and start pitching in yourself. What exactly is it that has you so proudly strutting around Lafayette that does not also include your support of UL? Do you not know people or their children who attend or are attending there?
And yes, UL, as institutions go, is disproportionately unrepresented here in the Baton Rouge based state government. Have no fear... your favorite institution is very secure. The state will remain last in the country in almost every relevant category... but we all have more purple and gold national championships to look forward to. It is extremely unfortunate, but this state is run about as close to a communist state as any U.S. state could be. It has a permanent ruler that has figured out a way to toss out big parades and flag waving around the "state colors"... deflecting focus on serious problems in the state over to water cooler speak of "Saban sucks"... and never quite getting its people out of third-world U.S. state status. It must be very rewarding to you to take stock in that, Mr. "RiverRanchMan".
Man, this board is OBSESSED with LSU.
not a threat. merely an observation. let's see, now we're being "ostrcized," and we suddenly have become "malcontents" because we feel our hometown university should have hometown support(what a radical notion). you pose very interesting, and revealing points of view. keep it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN
the irony, the utter irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by bballholic
I assure you that you have been a good part of that lately. If you intend to contribute on UL matter only, then keep off the LSU subject yourself. You have been about as obsessed as anyone on here about LSU. If you want that subject not to appear on here... a UL forum... again, leave it alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by bballholic
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Originally Posted by Just1More
Please, I've been reading this board for a lot longer than I've actually been posting on here. There has been a lot of chatter about LSU on this board a long time before I came around. I guess you would prefer to have no visitors on your board so you could live in only a vermillion and white world? How many threads have I started about LSU? IF LSU is being mentioned, I will certainly chime in considering they get trashed here on a regular basis. Hell, some members even display their hatred/obsession for LSU in their own member name. I'm going to go visit a La Tech board and UL (Monroe) board to see if they have the same amount of hate towards LSU.
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Originally Posted by Cajun Saint
Nowhere did I say that people in Lafayette shouldn’t support the university. I actually said people support both schools, which is a fact and should remain. However, this “hate LSU” or else attitude will not win over the masses you are trying get support from.