2019 Mississippi River

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

Is there no aquifer in the area that can be tapped?

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Yes but they connect to the Gulf of Mexico and are either salt water or brackish.

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Originally Posted by cajundiehard

Could you or someone please repost the video with Dr. Xu? I can’t find it...

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this might work

https://biggerpieforum.org/environme...afalaya-river/

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Originally Posted by CajunRebel

Is there no aquifer in the area that can be tapped?

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The number one indication of an advance civilization is the ample supply of drinking water. (think ancient Greece and Roman empire)

The number two indication of an advanced civilization is the adequate disposal of waste water. (if you every go to a third world country one of the first things you smell is the unmistakable aroma of sewage. it sometimes can gag a maggot). Contaminated water and insects and other critters are the most common vector for disease. Malaria, dengue fever, Cholora are examples.

Lack of potable water is a problem for a lot of the world. It's just never been an issue for modern US except for isolated instances. This would be a huge problem for the lower Mississippi.
It seems like these issues are not getting a lot of attention. Is there a technical/engineering way to mitigate the situation? Improve the ORCS, maybe?

Helmut...think there’s any chance they shut down I-10 or Hwy 190??

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

Helmut...think there’s any chance they shut down I-10 or Hwy 190??

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Not for opening the few bays of Morganza.

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Originally Posted by HelmutVII

Not for opening the few bays of Morganza.

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Good to hear...thanks!

We’ve had the morgaza 100% open in the past I believe. I surely recall driving over a totally flooded Basin on the I-10.

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Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS

We've had the morgaza 100% open in the past I believe. I surely recall driving over a totally flooded Basin on the I-10.

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No where close. 42 gates opened the first time and 11 gates opened in 2011. There are a total of 125 gates.

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Originally Posted by Cajun90

No where close. 42 gates opened the first time and 11 gates opened in 2011. There are a total of 125 gates.

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17 gates were opened in 2011. You are correct in that no where close to all gates ever being opened.

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Originally Posted by HelmutVII

Abbeville probably ok, Vermilion River, probably ok, New Orleans will be left with no fresh water supply as the Gulf of Mexico will back up into the evacuated channel of what would then be the new old river. The high salt levels of the water will kill most of the vegetation in the area and coastal erosion will accelerate. The oyster fishermen will be happy. The problem would be the only people to sell the oysters to would be on the north shore and Mississippi. New Orleans would be even more unlivable than it is now which would result in a mass migration of people out of the area because of lack of fresh water. Baton Rouge would have a similar problem in that they are already having to fight salt water intrusion due to the high pumping rates of water out of the Baton Rouge aquifer. We will still have LSU A&M football on Saturday nights to look forward to HA HA.

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So, if New Orleans and Baton Rouge don't have good drinking water, I guess Lafayette could become the new Louisiana State Capital and UL could then, once again, officially become The University of Louisiana (a name originally granted and then stolen in the 1980's).

There is always something good that can come out of every tragedy!!! LOL!

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Originally Posted by Duggie35

So, if New Orleans and Baton Rouge don't have good drinking water, I guess Lafayette could become the new Louisiana State Capital and UL could then, once again, officially become The University of Louisiana (a name originally granted and then stolen in the 1980's).

There is always something good that can come out of every tragedy!!! LOL!

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Yeah that isn't exactly how its gonna work. Instead we will all be paying massive taxes in order to build the desalination plants that will be needed.

Am I correct in saying that, should something ever happen to the OCRS (it fails, or otherwise breaks), this would automatically change the course?

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

Am I correct in saying that, should something ever happen to the OCRS (it fails, or otherwise breaks), this would automatically change the course?

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A total failure of the control structures would indeed change the course. There are other controls in place along with the ORCS. The current Mississippi River would become nothing more than a Bayou that would unnavigable without major dredging operations.

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Originally Posted by Cajun90

A total failure of the control structures would indeed change the course. There are other controls in place along with the ORCS. The current Mississippi River would become nothing more than a Bayou that would unnavigable without major dredging operations.

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we should probably beef up security around there...

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

we should probably beef up security around there...

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LOL... yeah but there are easier targets. It would be extremely difficult for someone to destroy the various structures.... mother nature on the other hand might not have as difficult a time.

The complete controls structure there consist of the main Old River Control Structure, Auxiliary Old River Control Structure, Power Plant, and the Spillway. They wouldn't all have to fail in order for the river to change course but the point is that there is more to the system than just a single failure point. Thank goodness.

Are there any books on this?

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

Are there any books on this?

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Multiple books on it. See links below for recent web series that is very good and has reference to some of the source material.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Am...trol-Structure

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Es...Structure-Risk

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/If...-Global-Impact

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Mi...en=cat6-widget

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

Are there any books on this?

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https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Contro...gateway&sr=8-1

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Originally Posted by LouisianaB

we should probably beef up security around there...

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I would suspect that anybody that is not supposed to be there would automatically arouse suspicion. Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Cajun90

LOL... yeah but there are easier targets. It would be extremely difficult for someone to destroy the various structures.... mother nature on the other hand might not have as difficult a time.

The complete controls structure there consist of the main Old River Control Structure, Auxiliary Old River Control Structure, Power Plant, and the Spillway. They wouldn't all have to fail in order for the river to change course but the point is that there is more to the system than just a single failure point. Thank goodness.

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I can see what this thread has deteriorated into without my input. I knew there would be some kind of a thread on this subject which would have derailed & gone severely off course into la la land. So now, in an attempt to save this once interesting piece of reading may I take the chance to interject some real critiquing for a very obvious reason. WHY in the hell did they wait until now to sink the barge in Bayou Shane & just now start to open the gates in Morganza?

This obvious lack of "interest" this time around by the Corps of Engineers puts all & I mean ALL of south Central Louisiana at risk for major flooding later this year. There's nothing funny about it & could help lead to a major catastrophic flood event in our region, all because someone took the viewpoint that oh, we've got this. Nothing's gonna happen. Whereas in 2011 the viewpoint was to look at the worst case possibility & deal with it in that manner. Thereby the Corps acted in such a way as to overreact & completely prevent a major flood event to the point it became a non event. This time the exact opposite appears to be the case. It's my opinion & i'm absolutely entitled to it & to ask the questions. And if one of the worse cases occurs, there will be a hell of a lot more people asking these same exact questions.

Opening of the spillway closed to public.

https://kpel965.com/officials-morgan...to-the-public/

Only properly credentialed corps of engineers personnel and credentialed press will be allowed.

After watching that video, if I lived in the Basin area all the way to NOLA, I would begin the process of relocating now. I sure as heck would not allow any of my loved ones to build or buy a house in this area either.

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon King

I can see what this thread has deteriorated into without my input. I knew there would be some kind of a thread on this subject which would have derailed & gone severely off course into la la land. So now, in an attempt to save this once interesting piece of reading may I take the chance to interject some real critiquing for a very obvious reason. WHY in the hell did they wait until now to sink the barge in Bayou Shane & just now start to open the gates in Morganza?

This obvious lack of "interest" this time around by the Corps of Engineers puts all & I mean ALL of south Central Louisiana at risk for major flooding later this year. There's nothing funny about it & could help lead to a major catastrophic flood event in our region, all because someone took the viewpoint that oh, we've got this. Nothing's gonna happen. Whereas in 2011 the viewpoint was to look at the worst case possibility & deal with it in that manner. Thereby the Corps acted in such a way as to overreact & completely prevent a major flood event to the point it became a non event. This time the exact opposite appears to be the case. It's my opinion & i'm absolutely entitled to it & to ask the questions. And if one of the worse cases occurs, there will be a hell of a lot more people asking these same exact questions.

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I was curious if you’d chime in.

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Originally Posted by Cajun90

Yeah that isn't exactly how its gonna work. Instead we will all be paying massive taxes in order to build the desalination plants that will be needed.

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Us, as in, the entire country. Multiple states would sue the COE due to loss commerce and failure on the government's part in their failed attempt to control nature. This would make Katrina look like chump change after its all said and done.

Not trying to hijack thread, BUT all the more reason to get 49 thru Lafayette. Straightest path is a straight line from 10/49 interchange to 90. The day is coming when there will be massive infrastructure work south of here. You want planning, there it is. Drop the outer loop and bike path dreams and get real.