G1 Final: Louisiana 24, SLU 7

Was CMD not using this game to evaluate talent in a game environment?

I doubt he believes in a 2 QB system

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon King

You know for all the let's back Des talk that I was subjected to this past summer, there is an awful lot of armchair coaching going on right now. I happen to agree with every single decision That Des made this past Saturday night. I'll tell you why. He's a new coach of a team he's familiar with, but has to learn more about new players & what they can accept on the field.

At no point in that game did the thought cross my mind that UL wasn't completely in charge & had the ability to turn on a set of burners we didn't see. And we didn't see them for a reason. the coach decided to get a good look at both of his young QBs &give them both a chance to gain confidence for when the games really start to count. I also loved his decision to go for it deep in SLU territory when they got stopped.

I'm actually kind of glad the play didn't work either. It produced a coachable teaching & learning moment for Des to have in his back pocket for later on. The man must learn what his players can do under fire & still build confidence in his team. If I were to compare him to the bozo 50 miles away who just allowed his young team's confidence to be destroyed, I would say Des flew his first solo flight with very few strategical errors & has his team right where he wants them as this point in the season. they have the confidence to know they can win & turn it up if needed. And they have the experience of getting the knots out of their stomachs. Great job Mike Desormeaux.

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Spot on.

He is another guy who will never play QB for the Cajuns. He needs to b an TE/H-BACK.

And left handed Elfrid Payton should have played power forward at UL. Same level of coaching personnel genius…

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon King

You know for all the let's back Des talk that I was subjected to this past summer, there is an awful lot of armchair coaching going on right now. I happen to agree with every single decision That Des made this past Saturday night. I'll tell you why. He's a new coach of a team he's familiar with, but has to learn more about new players & what they can accept on the field.

At no point in that game did the thought cross my mind that UL wasn't completely in charge & had the ability to turn on a set of burners we didn't see. And we didn't see them for a reason. the coach decided to get a good look at both of his young QBs &give them both a chance to gain confidence for when the games really start to count. I also loved his decision to go for it deep in SLU territory when they got stopped.

I'm actually kind of glad the play didn't work either. It produced a coachable teaching & learning moment for Des to have in his back pocket for later on. The man must learn what his players can do under fire & still build confidence in his team. If I were to compare him to the bozo 50 miles away who just allowed his young team's confidence to be destroyed, I would say Des flew his first solo flight with very few strategical errors & has his team right where he wants them as this point in the season. they have the confidence to know they can win & turn it up if needed. And they have the experience of getting the knots out of their stomachs. Great job Mike Desormeaux.

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Finally a book by NAK I enjoyed reading, all the way to the end. Kudo’s BWK

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon King

You know for all the let's back Des talk that I was subjected to this past summer, there is an awful lot of armchair coaching going on right now. I happen to agree with every single decision That Des made this past Saturday night. I'll tell you why. He's a new coach of a team he's familiar with, but has to learn more about new players & what they can accept on the field.

At no point in that game did the thought cross my mind that UL wasn't completely in charge & had the ability to turn on a set of burners we didn't see. And we didn't see them for a reason. the coach decided to get a good look at both of his young QBs &give them both a chance to gain confidence for when the games really start to count. I also loved his decision to go for it deep in SLU territory when they got stopped.

I'm actually kind of glad the play didn't work either. It produced a coachable teaching & learning moment for Des to have in his back pocket for later on. The man must learn what his players can do under fire & still build confidence in his team. If I were to compare him to the bozo 50 miles away who just allowed his young team's confidence to be destroyed, I would say Des flew his first solo flight with very few strategical errors & has his team right where he wants them as this point in the season. they have the confidence to know they can win & turn it up if needed. And they have the experience of getting the knots out of their stomachs. Great job Mike Desormeaux.

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All games really count, at all times.

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Originally Posted by Cajunblaze

He is another guy who will never play QB for the Cajuns. He needs to b an TE/H-BACK.

And left handed Elfrid Payton should have played power forward at UL. Same level of coaching personnel genius…

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I bet you Hunter has a better chance to see the field as an TE or HBACK than QB1. Want to bet?

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Originally Posted by JMVCAJUNS

I bet you Hunter has a better chance to see the field as an TE or HBACK than QB1. Want to bet?

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TE or WR I can see.

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Originally Posted by JMVCAJUNS

I bet you Hunter has a better chance to see the field as an TE or HBACK than QB1. Want to bet?

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I’d wager none of the above happen

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Originally Posted by Cajunblaze

I’d wager none of the above happen

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Correct more than likely he will be on the pine.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

Poor, poor pitiful me . . isn’t there a song?

Man, if things are that bad, just quit putting yourself through all that misery . . .

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….llOle Fats song Poor Me…..for the LSUs_____What I’m gonnna do is hard to tell….ain’t gonna kill myself, though I might as well…POOR ME IM LIVING IN MISERY.

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Originally Posted by cajun4life

How did LSU’s all world dual threat QB do for them? SLU’s dual threat QB?

A dual threat QB will win you games that you are supposed to win. But they will never win you a game you’re not supposed to win.

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I disagree.

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Originally Posted by SlickRick

I disagree.

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I would love some examples.

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Originally Posted by cajun4life

I would love some examples.

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Why don't you go first with examples of dual threats NEVER winning a game you're not supposed to win.

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Originally Posted by SlickRick

Why don't you go first with examples of dual threats NEVER winning a game you're not supposed to win.

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Darren Grainger was the reason GAST didn't beat South Carolina

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Originally Posted by SlickRick

Why don't you go first with examples of dual threats NEVER winning a game you're not supposed to win.

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Let’s start with LSU last night. I can name tons of elite programs with Dual threat guys. Who don’t win championships with the guys who were the top dual threat guys in each class.

If you don’t have an elite pass first QB, you will not win at the highest level.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

QB2 got playing time because Des is doing all he can to keep both of them. Rest assured, as the birdie said a long time ago, Chandler Fields is the starting QB. That was rather smart on Des’ part, sad that you guys did not see it.

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What are you talking about? The vast majority thought Fields would get the job. Stop acting like you were some kind of prognosticator. Everyone had a 50/50 chance of being right, and most people were. Calm down swami.

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Originally Posted by JamesTheJeweler

What are you talking about? The vast majority thought Fields would get the job. Stop acting like you were some kind of prognosticator. Everyone had a 50/50 chance of being right, and most people were. Calm down swami.

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Or a 50/50 chance of getting it wrong . . . . sho sho says the little birdie . . .

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

Or a 50/50 chance of getting it wrong . . . . sho sho says the little birdie . . .

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K.

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Originally Posted by cajun_lannister

Darren Grainger was the reason GAST didn't beat South Carolina

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That's one, he said NEVER.

I'm not saying we won't win plenty of games with our current QB rotation. I'm just saying if we struggle pass blocking, which we won't know until more games are played, a pocket passer will have difficulty being effective.

Just like we had no idea how good we were after the near disaster against Nicholls last year, we will need a few games to see where we really are. Lots of bright spots and some obvious question marks.

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Originally Posted by cajun4life

Let’s start with LSU last night. I can name tons of elite programs with Dual threat guys. Who don’t win championships with the guys who were the top dual threat guys in each class.

If you don’t have an elite pass first QB, you will not win at the highest level.

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OK, name me one program with an elite, pass first QB that is 5'10". Also, are you saying we have an ELITE, pass first QB?

I have absolutely nothing against CF, in fact I believe his leadership is critical for the success of our program. At this time, he looks to have a better arm than LL, but I haven't personally seen enough of him to form a solid opinion. LL did improve his passing accuracy, his final 2 seasons, especially the deep ball so CF has a lot to prove for now. FYI, I've been in Texas the last 2 years and haven't had the opportunity to see any practices and watch CF. He did make a couple of "special" throws Saturday rolling to his right. I wish he would turn upfield a little more when throwing on the run to square his shoulders, easier to do rolling to the right for a right hander. A must-do when rolling to the left for a right hander.

My concern with a short, pocket passer is throwing over the line and have your passes sailing high due to the height of release. Sailing a pass high over the middle is a huge NO NO. Brees released his passes as high as he could to avoid batted balls. Brees is taller than CF. You can't teach height, but you can alter your mechanics to maximize your release point. I said the same thing about Broadway when he first came over from Houston. He was releasing the ball just barely helmet high. I mentioned this to Jay Johnson during a gridiron alumni meeting and said they were working on that very thing. TB wasn't an elite passer, but he was very effective throwing it and was a huge threat running it. When a defense has to include a spy on the QB, that's one less guy in pass coverage. When a dual threat QB is on the move out of the pocket, the DB's are in a difficult situation to pull coverage or stay in their zone or on their man.

If you have an elite, pass first QB with a high release point AND you have great pass blocking you should win a ton of games. If you are an elite program to boot, you can win it all. How many elite programs have this today? Is the guy that won the Heisman last year a pass first QB? Does he have the wheels to keep a spy on him?

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Originally Posted by cajun4life

If LL2 was the guy he’d be playing. Ultra talented athlete. But he’s like the SLU QB. More accurately put, like Quad Brown from GaSt two years ago. He would absolutely wow us with some plays and make you want slam your head into the rail on others.

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Yeah, but I going to go with the 24 teams that offered him to play QB, including Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Tx A&M. I think those staffs know a thing or two about evaluating HS players. I see the same thing they saw in him. I know he played the scout team QB last season, so that didn't help him learn our offense. CBN put a premium on protecting the ball and was comfortable with LL and CF so he didn't get the chance to develop within our system. And apparently things didn't click for him this spring. I get it.

We all want to win the SBC championship again, this year, so going with the safe choice at QB is definitely understandable. But remember, LL improved every season and our peers thought he was the difference maker for our program and why we won the championship and 3 west titles in a row. I agree. Sure, we had a good running game that helped our QB, but so did App. BTW, we were 4th in total rushing and App was 5th. CC was 1st! CC was also 2nd in passing offense and 1st overall, and have the best QB in the conference, a dual threat guy....oops! But, against APP, we had the better QB and match-ups and took them down twice last year.

I think LL2 can do the same if given the opportunity and patience. He obviously hasn't convinced our staff that he would be a better option at this point in time. I have no idea what their rationale is because I've been out of state the last couple of years and haven't been at the various meetings I usually attend. But, if our run game isn't effective and we struggle protecting the pocket passer, we will struggle to win games and that could/should open the door for others. Sure, that may be the call for ZC to come off the bench but it could also be LL2's shot, who at least has game experience while playing for Maryland in the Big10. So for those getting on me about LL2, this is my opinion. I could care less what you think cuz we all have opinions, just like we all have _______s. :)

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Originally Posted by SlickRick

Yeah, but I going to go with the 24 teams that offered him to play QB, including Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Tx A&M. I think those staffs know a thing or two about evaluating HS players. I see the same thing they saw in him. I know he played the scout team QB last season, so that didn't help him learn our offense. CBN put a premium on protecting the ball and was comfortable with LL and CF so he didn't get the chance to develop within our system. And apparently things didn't click for him this spring. I get it.

We all want to win the SBC championship again, this year, so going with the safe choice at QB is definitely understandable. But remember, LL improved every season and our peers thought he was the difference maker for our program and why we won the championship and 3 west titles in a row. I agree. Sure, we had a good running game that helped our QB, but so did App. BTW, we were 4th in total rushing and App was 5th. CC was 1st! CC was also 2nd in passing offense and 1st overall, and have the best QB in the conference, a dual threat guy....oops! But, against APP, we had the better QB and match-ups and took them down twice last year.

I think LL2 can do the same if given the opportunity and patience. He obviously hasn't convinced our staff that he would be a better option at this point in time. I have no idea what their rationale is because I've been out of state the last couple of years and haven't been at the various meetings I usually attend. But, if our run game isn't effective and we struggle protecting the pocket passer, we will struggle to win games and that could/should open the door for others. Sure, that may be the call for ZC to come off the bench but it could also be LL2's shot, who at least has game experience while playing for Maryland in the Big10. So for those getting on me about LL2, this is my opinion. I could care less what you think cuz we all have opinions, just like we all have _______s. :)

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LL2 is FIFTH string at best right now in the QB rotation. Coach Dez mentioned 4 quarterbacks at last week's QB Club meeting. LL2 name did not come up. He will not travel for road games. Yes, opinions are fine. Just passing on the opinion of the staff at this time.

LL2 dressed Saturday, had receiver gloves on...lets see what group he warms up with Saturday...

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Originally Posted by SlickRick

Yeah, but I going to go with the 24 teams that offered him to play QB, including Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Tx A&M. I think those staffs know a thing or two about evaluating HS players. I see the same thing they saw in him. I know he played the scout team QB last season, so that didn't help him learn our offense. CBN put a premium on protecting the ball and was comfortable with LL and CF so he didn't get the chance to develop within our system. And apparently things didn't click for him this spring. I get it.

We all want to win the SBC championship again, this year, so going with the safe choice at QB is definitely understandable. But remember, LL improved every season and our peers thought he was the difference maker for our program and why we won the championship and 3 west titles in a row. I agree. Sure, we had a good running game that helped our QB, but so did App. BTW, we were 4th in total rushing and App was 5th. CC was 1st! CC was also 2nd in passing offense and 1st overall, and have the best QB in the conference, a dual threat guy....oops! But, against APP, we had the better QB and match-ups and took them down twice last year.

I think LL2 can do the same if given the opportunity and patience. He obviously hasn't convinced our staff that he would be a better option at this point in time. I have no idea what their rationale is because I've been out of state the last couple of years and haven't been at the various meetings I usually attend. But, if our run game isn't effective and we struggle protecting the pocket passer, we will struggle to win games and that could/should open the door for others. Sure, that may be the call for ZC to come off the bench but it could also be LL2's shot, who at least has game experience while playing for Maryland in the Big10. So for those getting on me about LL2, this is my opinion. I could care less what you think cuz we all have opinions, just like we all have _______s. :)

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My opinion, when the offense is primarily designed around the ability of a QB to run, at our level, it will fail.

Pass first QB’s who have the ability to extend a play or scramble for a first down will always be more effective. A QB’s ability to dissect a defense and make timely and accurate throws is infinitely more valuable than a QB who can make some throws but can run.