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December 9th, 2010, 10:38 am
RaginWaldo

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by Zeebart21

_ More brilliant commentary Waldo...keep it coming son!! :rolleyes: _

I was basically stating that his views are totally belligerent to the hate that he has towards McNeese and puts UL on a pedestal even though there are countless others that think the same way about our university. So basically he is the pot calling the kettle Black. but you are way too ignorant to understand this and only have the comprehension of a 3rd grade level at best.
December 9th, 2010, 10:40 am
Just1More

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by allncr1966

As far as small divisions school coaches not being able to recruit to larger schools. Tell that to Bobby Bowden, Jim Tressel, Paul Johnson, and the Notre Dame coach whose name escapes me all were head coaches at D1-AA or FCS schools before becoming HC at FBS schools. In fact the Notre Dame coach won 2 or 3 Div III natioinal champioinships before getting a head coaching job at an FBS school.

Many who comment on Viator and McNeese's recruiting have looked to a few extremes in both directions. They have recruited some of the same players and they have been able to take some athletes we would not/cannot take (accept). However, as CajunT pointed out in a very good discussion regarding recruiting, you cannot talk about a program and their current coach's recruiting ability without looking at the program itself. Notre Dame recruits on "Notre Dame"... not the coach. And that was also the case with your other coaching mentions. The school itself drew the recruits when those guys moved up.

At UL, we have to depend on the coach's recruiting ability... above the football reputation of the university. We, UL, are not currently bragging about our recruiting. We need to elevate it significantly. One of those significant elevations is to get the 3 star and an occasional 4 star player from our area. I'm not saying Viator cannot do that... but he has not done that at McNeese... and he will not have a tradition at UL to break that streak.

I think he'd probably be a fine coach. He would get some good talent. But again... UL needs to find a way to recruit "exceptional talent", above what we are now.

I don't know who we will end up with as our next coach. But, most fans were aiming, with the increased money, to not only seek out a coach with a very good track record as a coach (for the money we have) but also a name that draws that higher to reach recruit (for the money we have).

The maximum logical outcomes (for the money we have) is a 50/50, 75/25, or 25/75 guy in those two aforementioned categories... by credentials. Personally, as much as I have heard Matt Viator is an outstanding person... he is probably a 35/35 in those two categories for UL... by his credentials.

Who we hire and where they "credential out"... we shall see.
December 9th, 2010, 10:49 am
Cajun90

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by Just1More

Many who comment on Viator and McNeese's recruiting have looked to a few extremes in both directions. They have recruited some of the same players and they have been able to take some athletes we would not/cannot take (accept). However, as CajunT pointed out in a very good discussion regarding recruiting, you cannot talk about a program and their current coach's recruiting ability without looking at the program itself. Notre Dame recruits on "Notre Dame"... not the coach. And that was also the case with your other coaching mentions. The school itself drew the recruits when those guys moved up.

At UL, we have to depend on the coach's recruiting ability... above the football reputation of the university. We, UL, are not currently bragging about our recruiting. We need to elevate it significantly. One of those significant elevations is to get the 3 star and an occasional 4 star player from our area. I'm not saying Viator cannot do that... but he has not done that at McNeese... and he will not have a tradition at UL to break that streak.

I think he'd probably be a fine coach. He would get some good talent. But again... UL needs to find a way to recruit "exceptional talent", above what we are now.

I don't know who we will end up with as our next coach. But, most fans were aiming, with the increased money, to not only seek out a coach with a very good track record as a coach (for the money we have) but also a name that draws that higher to reach recruit (for the money we have).

The maximum logical outcomes (for the money we have) is a 50/50, 75/25, or 25/75 guy in those two aforementioned categories... by credentials. Personally, as much as I have heard Matt Viator is an outstanding person... he is probably a 35/35 in those two categories for UL... by his credentials.

Who we hire and where they "credential out"... we shall see.

You saved me some typing. That is exactly my point. Not picking on Viator. It is just that our next coach needs to have those built in connections in recruiting a little higher up the food chain.

Obviously we do compete againist McNeese for some recruits. We just need a coach who has the ability to tilt the table a little higher on the scale. I'm not sure many FCS coaches we would look at will bring that to the table.

There are definitely coaches that have made the move and been successful and we may do just that. I'm really looking at the big picture in a more general sense. Can it be done? Yes. Is it likely? I doubt it.
December 9th, 2010, 11:03 am
Red Tide

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by allncr1966

His career path I am sorry to admit to you is that he graduated from McNeese in pre med and had to go to a sorry little med school named Harvard and is now doing residency at a pitful place called Johns Hopkins. He is not the exception to the rule by the way McNeese has one of the highest medical school acceptance percentages in the state. Students at all universities work hard for their degrees no matter where they go so I never insult in a mean spritied way in what they have accomplished. I know you probably don't care and thats fine but I do. _

I did not know that, sir. Congratulations to you and your son. That gives a true meaning to the student athlete! WOW!
December 9th, 2010, 11:12 am
Red Tide

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by Just1More

At UL, we have to depend on the coach's recruiting ability... above the football reputation of the university. We, UL, are not currently bragging about our recruiting. We need to elevate it significantly. One of those significant elevations is to get the 3 star and an occasional 4 star player from our area. I'm not saying Viator cannot do that... but he has not done that at McNeese... and he will not have a tradition at UL to break that streak.

I think he'd probably be a fine coach. He would get some good talent. But again... UL needs to find a way to recruit "exceptional talent", above what we are now.

I don't know who we will end up with as our next coach. But, most fans were aiming, with the increased money, to not only seek out a coach with a very good track record as a coach (for the money we have) but also a name that draws that higher to reach recruit (for the money we have).

The maximum logical outcomes (for the money we have) is a 50/50, 75/25, or 25/75 guy in those two aforementioned categories... by credentials. Personally, as much as I have heard Matt Viator is an outstanding person... he is probably a 35/35 in those two categories for UL... by his credentials.

Who we hire and where they "credential out"... we shall see. _

Good thoughts. I am one that just does not buy into the "hype" designated by "stars" on a recruit. That is just fodder for water cooler talk. Besides, A blind man can notice "4" and "5" star talent. We are not even there just to find one.

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics!" Mark Twain

In our current culture of low level SBC football success, I think we need to create a culture of winning before we can worry about star quality. And, I believe we will not get the star quality until we win. No matter who is chosen as the head coach.
December 9th, 2010, 11:39 am
allncr1966

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by Red Tide

_ I did not know that, sir. Congratulations to you and your son. That gives a true meaning to the student athlete! WOW! _

Thanks I am just as proud as my daughter who graduated from UL and my other son who graduated from LSU.
December 9th, 2010, 11:46 am
allncr1966

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

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Originally Posted by Red Tide

_ Good thoughts. I am one that just does not buy into the "hype" designated by "stars" on a recruit. That is just fodder for water cooler talk. Besides, A blind man can notice "4" and "5" star talent. We are not even there just to find one.

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics!" Mark Twain

In our current culture of low level SBC football success, I think we need to create a culture of winning before we can worry about star quality. And, I believe we will not get the star quality until we win. No matter who is chosen as the head coach. _

I disagree with you a bit about people being able to notice 4 and 5 star talent. I know an old retired coach who recruited at LSU, Houston, Georgia and Florida during his career. He said he never considered how many stars they had. He had a knack for knowing whether a kid could play at the college level and he found more of that talent at the 3 star range than the 4 and even some 5's.
December 9th, 2010, 01:23 pm
Chris V.

AllNCR

As a McNeese alum, like your son, I thank you for your comments.

I hope the Cajuns next football coach, whoever he is, is a complete success.
December 9th, 2010, 01:24 pm
cajunhawk

Re: AllNCR

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Originally Posted by Chris V.

_ As a McNeese alum, like your son, I thank you for your comments.

I hope the Cajuns next football coach, whoever he is, is a complete success. _

Did the Rodeo Clown degree you got help out any?
December 9th, 2010, 01:26 pm
Turbine

Re: Why NOT Viator?????

For the record, I like Viator.

For the record, I like someone else better.

A girl broke up with me once using a very similar line. :(

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