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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
Billy inherited some decent talent that Hud couldn't win with, but he also brought in a lot of structure that showed on the field. There is no doubt that we got some lucky breaks to win games, but we were definitely fundamentally sound on the field that put us over the top. He also brought us not only out first 10 win season, but three straight 10+ win seasons, our first outright conference title in 50 years, and our first Top 25 ranking in the modern CFB era. As of now, Billy Napier is the greatest coach to walk the sidelines here.
As for Des, we are seeing a coach still learning on the job and drastically improving at it each day. The whole "continuing where Billy left off" line when he was hired went out the window when Billy gutted the staff and team. Looking back on it, Des had to start from scratch and wasn't able to get the close wins in the last two years that Billy got to the point where I would even say that the teams from the past two years definitely would not have had a 5-0 run in these last 5 games. But what's great about Des is that we are seeing his work come together with a time that seems to be focused on the same prize. And hopefully, this success continues to finish the season with a conference championship and a top 25 ranking.
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Re: Live Game Talk Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
So are we winning because of how good our defense is? How the hell are we 7-1? How are we a top 35 offense? Top 4 in the belt. Give me a break. No OC is perfect or calls a perfect game. But he is demonstrably better than average.
You get so offended that someone doesn’t follow your opinion. It’s honestly pretty hilarious how serious you take this.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
Billy inherited some decent talent that Hud couldn't win with, but he also brought in a lot of structure that showed on the field. There is no doubt that we got some lucky breaks to win games, but we were definitely fundamentally sound on the field that put us over the top. He also brought us not only out first 10 win season, but three straight 10+ win seasons, our first outright conference title in 50 years, and our first Top 25 ranking in the modern CFB era. As of now, Billy Napier is the greatest coach to walk the sidelines here.
As for Des, we are seeing a coach still learning on the job and drastically improving at it each day. The whole "continuing where Billy left off" line when he was hired went out the window when Billy gutted the staff and team. Looking back on it, Des had to start from scratch and wasn't able to get the close wins in the last two years that Billy got to the point where I would even say that the teams from the past two years definitely would not have had a 5-0 run in these last 5 games. But what's great about Des is that we are seeing his work come together with a time that seems to be focused on the same prize. And hopefully, this success continues to finish the season with a conference championship and a top 25 ranking.
and we keep forgetting that Des had to also deal with NIL and free transfer that Napier did not. Those are huge changes in circumstances especially with a fan base and financial supporting base that had been so anti NIL.
Billy was way more lucky than good all around (and that is being confirmed in Florida) and Des is way more unlucky than bad all around.
There, I said it . . .
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
Sean Payton was referred to as an NFL offensive guru and I can't remember a game where I didn't scratch my head at a play call or two.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
The perfect play call won’t work if a block is missed or a bad pass is thrown or good pass is dropped(twice by the same receiver Tuesday)
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
We won at least one (maybe 2?) game when inferior teams missed chip shot field goals. We very nearly lost to a FCS school. We converted several 4th downs at field position locations where failing would have been catastrophic. Napier was the recipient of very good fortune during that stretch. He was ALSO a fantastic coach, clearly our best ever. Amazingly both things can be true at the same time.
Isn’t that kind of what’s going on with Dez right now? He’s becoming more successful, but TxSt was probably his worst called game of the season as a whole. That and USM.
But we are still finding ways to win and that’s all that matters.
I agree, I like this scheme better than Napiers. Also like the areas of the game that Wooldridge brings that Lewis never could do.
Just keep winning and hope for some help so we can play Penn St in the CFP.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
There are NO Coaches that have a routine 100% (or even 80%) success rate calling plays on offense or defense. That's why there are two sides of the ball! But I would say those that that outwit there opponent during each game (assuming the talent is comparable on each team) will come out on top. With that said, Dez has certainly had the upper hand over his opponents so far this year. 7-1 is impressive and that has me impressed.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
Another interesting tidbit of note:
In Billy's last two seasons here, 12 games were decided by 7 points or less. Billy's record in those games was 11-1.
In Mike's last two seasons here, 11 games were decided by 7 points of less. Mike's record in those games was 2-9.
This season we have played 2 games decided by 7 points or less. We are 2-0 in those games, and the significance of this is that the other 5 games have been won by double digits. In Billy's last two seasons combined, 9 wins were decided by double digits. Now, we may have a legitimate shot to match that or come close to it this season if we keep playing the type of football we are capable of playing.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
It’s possible for Napier to believe he’s better at play calling than Dez, while also thinking Dez would be a good coaching choice. Not sure why you think those things are mutually exclusive.
Mutually exclusive? no.
Napier didn't allow anything on Desormeaux's resume that legitimatly touted or showcased his ability.
All we were left with was a 'because I said so' recommendation on what you need.
While at the same time, taking players because this is what I need.
Napier lacked credibility at that point in time.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
ULvictory
Billy inherited some decent talent that Hud couldn't win with, but he also brought in a lot of structure that showed on the field. There is no doubt that we got some lucky breaks to win games, but we were definitely fundamentally sound on the field that put us over the top. He also brought us not only out first 10 win season, but three straight 10+ win seasons, our first outright conference title in 50 years, and our first Top 25 ranking in the modern CFB era. As of now, Billy Napier is the greatest coach to walk the sidelines here.
As for Des, we are seeing a coach still learning on the job and drastically improving at it each day. The whole "continuing where Billy left off" line when he was hired went out the window when Billy gutted the staff and team. Looking back on it, Des had to start from scratch and wasn't able to get the close wins in the last two years that Billy got to the point where I would even say that the teams from the past two years definitely would not have had a 5-0 run in these last 5 games. But what's great about Des is that we are seeing his work come together with a time that seems to be focused on the same prize. And hopefully, this success continues to finish the season with a conference championship and a top 25 ranking.
Knowing the back story makes what Desormeaux is accomplishing all the more fun.
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Re: Live Game Talk Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Clutch0364
You get so offended that someone doesn’t follow your opinion. It’s honestly pretty hilarious how serious you take this.
What part of any of my posts make me seem offended? I just disagree with you. Can you not handle that?
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
and we keep forgetting that Des had to also deal with NIL and free transfer that Napier did not. Those are huge changes in circumstances especially with a fan base and financial supporting base that had been so anti NIL.
Billy was way more lucky than good all around (and that is being confirmed in Florida) and Des is way more unlucky than bad all around.
Very good point
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
Mutually exclusive? no.
Napier didn't allow anything on Desormeaux's resume that legitimatly touted or showcased his ability.
All we were left with was a 'because I said so' recommendation on what you need.
While at the same time, taking players because this is what I need.
Napier lacked credibility at that point in time.
That’s an entirely different take. You were saying before that because Napier never let him call plays, that means he didn’t think he was good enough to call plays, therefore he wasn’t good enough to be head coach.
Again, I thought originally it was too soon for him. But I’m not going to let that past belief color how I see this year’s performance.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
cajun4life
Isn’t that kind of what’s going on with Dez right now? He’s becoming more successful, but TxSt was probably his worst called game of the season as a whole. That and USM.
But we are still finding ways to win and that’s all that matters.
I agree, I like this scheme better than Napiers. Also like the areas of the game that Wooldridge brings that Lewis never could do.
Just keep winning and hope for some help so we can play Penn St in the CFP.
What makes you say it was the worst called game? I’m not disagreeing with you, just curious about your analysis. There were definitely a few play calls that in my amateur opinion seemed ill advised. But I’ve thought that watching most football games my whole life.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Jacob81
The perfect play call won’t work if a block is missed or a bad pass is thrown or good pass is dropped(twice by the same receiver Tuesday)
That’s usually where I stand. Most of us are just not knowledgeable enough about what we are watching to pick out in real time if a play failed because of the call, or the read, or the execution. Unless there is a clear case like a drop or badly missed tackle. I’d bet some pla calls we thought were bad, if we looked at in slow motion with more knowledge of the big picture we would see were not so bad. And some ____ calls that worked out due to athleticism or luck.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
That’s an entirely different take. You were saying before that because Napier never let him call plays, that means he didn’t think he was good enough to call plays, therefore he wasn’t good enough to be head coach.
Again, I thought originally it was too soon for him. But I’m not going to let that past belief color how I see this year’s performance.
Napier never let him call plays. The very job the traditionally assigned to the offensive coordinator. Even by some of the best offensive minds to ever coach the game.
That means he didn’t think he was either not good enough to call plays, or not as good as me, therefore it is a stretch jump recomendation since he is openly reccomending someone he believes is not as good as himself.
Because of the Napier handcuffs, we will never know how much worse than himself he thought Desormeaux actually was.
In effect Napier was saying: "He's not good enough for me, but he's good enough for you."
Not diametrically opposed, its just UL had an unknown unknown on its hands.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
and we keep forgetting that Des had to also deal with NIL and free transfer that Napier did not. Those are huge changes in circumstances especially with a fan base and financial supporting base that had been so anti NIL.
Billy was way more lucky than good all around (and that is being confirmed in Florida) and Des is way more unlucky than bad all around.
There, I said it . . .
I'm going to hold off my judgement of Billy at Florida until next year only because Dan Mullen left the cupboard very bare down there by burning bridges with many local Florida high schools that Billy had to go and make amends with. I personally think he will get another year to prove himself, but next year it's win or go home for him.
But I will say that I agree with you in the fact that Des and company have done a very good job creating a culture of retention in the NIL world compared to other G5 schools, and that has showed so far this season with the number of players we have been able to keep around and win with. But I also think those close losses also turned into learning experiences on how to handle close games this season as well whether it is a play call or handling personel.
The good news with Des is he still has a ton of upside.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
What makes you say it was the worst called game? I’m not disagreeing with you, just curious about your analysis. There were definitely a few play calls that in my amateur opinion seemed ill advised. But I’ve thought that watching most football games my whole life.
Mainly the running game. Several stretch plays were called that resulted in minimal or negative results. When we ran out of the pistol straight at the defense we gashed them. Part of that was blocking schemes and matchups. We failed to take advantage of what was working.
Passing game, was pretty good. It’s harder to tell on TV when you can’t see the entire field. Some could be Woolridge, a few were just not good calls. Overall the passing game was good.
Regardless, the argument of Napier this vs Dez that is pointless.
Keep winning and vie for the CFP slot.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
cajun4life
Mainly the running game. Several stretch plays were called that resulted in minimal or negative results. When we ran out of the pistol straight at the defense we gashed them. Part of that was blocking schemes and matchups. We failed to take advantage of what was working.
Passing game, was pretty good. It’s harder to tell on TV when you can’t see the entire field. Some could be Woolridge, a few were just not good calls. Overall the passing game was good.
Regardless, the argument of Napier this vs Dez that is pointless.
Keep winning and vie for the CFP slot.
So hard now because the QBs have freedom to change and so many pre and post snap reads. Hard to tell, at least for me, when it’s a bad play call or a bad pre or post snap read.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
Napier never let him call plays. The very job the traditionally assigned to the offensive coordinator. Even by some of the best offensive minds to ever coach the game.
That means he didn’t think he was either not good enough to call plays, or not as good as me, therefore it is a stretch jump recomendation since he is openly reccomending someone he believes is not as good as himself.
Because of the Napier handcuffs, we will never know how much worse than himself he thought Desormeaux actually was.
In effect Napier was saying: "He's not good enough for me, but he's good enough for you."
Not diametrically opposed, its just we had an unknown unkown on our hands.
Napier calls plays NOW when he could hire a millionaire OC. That’s just a bad take.
Is it not possible Napier is just a micromanager on offense? I mean there is a lot more evidence of that, then your conjecture.
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Re: Live Game Talk Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
What part of any of my posts make me seem offended? I just disagree with you. Can you not handle that?
“Give me a break.” Thats a disregard of what someone else thinks. Which is why I said “we won’t agree and that’s fine.”
Enjoy your day.
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Re: Live Game Talk Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Clutch0364
“Give me a break.” Thats a disregard of what someone else thinks. Which is why I said “we won’t agree and that’s fine.”
Enjoy your day.
lol, it’s a figure of speech.
You too sir, hopefully nobody lets a fan board affect their day.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Jacob81
The perfect play call won’t work if a block is missed or a bad pass is thrown or good pass is dropped(twice by the same receiver Tuesday)
This is the thing. Ad the other side gets to play too so a good call on offense can be negated by having the right call on defense. Sometimes the other guy just makes a better play.
It is really hard to tell bad play calls from bad execution unless you are watching the All-22 and can rewind.
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
CharlieK
Napier calls plays NOW when he could hire a millionaire OC. That’s just a bad take.
Is it not possible Napier is just a micromanager on offense? I mean there is a lot more evidence of that, then your conjecture.
Don't get stuck on stupid, if Napier recommends his non play calling OC to replace himself... guess what, Florida won't bite. Not even if he starts winning.
Its not normal.
ps not calling anyone studid, but we all make pitt stops :)
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Re: LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
Don't get stuck on stupid, if Napier recommends his non play calling OC to replace himself... guess what, Florida won't bite. Not even if he starts winning.
Its not normal.
ps not calling anyone studid, but we all make pitt stops :)
You certainly have a dizzying intellect.
