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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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CajunVic
This is pretty Phucing funny.
You have no idea what you are reading do you? LOL. And I thought cursing was the sign of a small person?
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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zephyr
You have no idea what you are reading do you? LOL. And I thought cursing was the sign of a small person?
You have no clue about flooding, baseball, football, tennis, softball and obviously you have no clue about phucing. Look it up and you might learn something today.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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CajunVic
You have no clue about flooding, baseball, football, tennis, softball and obviously you have no clue about phucing. Look it up and you might learn something today.
Consider there is not ONE thing you contribute to this forum, I find that pretty funny. Keep the trolling up though. I guess that great job you got affords you the time to do it...
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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zephyr
Consider there is not ONE thing you contribute to this forum, I find that pretty funny. Keep the trolling up though. I guess that great job you got affords you the time to do it...
You go get them, flood contol specialist. Your posts are most entertaining. I guess next week you will specialize as a surgeon or maybe a rocket scientist.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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CajunVic
You go get them, flood contol specialist. Your posts are most entertaining. I guess next week you will specialize as a surgeon or maybe a rocket scientist.
I think the thing is you don't know how to judge if someone knows anything about something. You live in your own warped world of irrationalization and bad spelling. I mean, you're the baseball expert. The board has seen it and is truly amazed. Keep up the good fight Vickie.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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zephyr
I think the thing is you don't know how to judge if someone knows anything about something. You live in your own warped world of irrationalization and bad spelling. I mean, you're the baseball expert. The board has seen it and is truly amazed. Keep up the good fight Vickie.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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zephyr
I will certainly have to ask Helmut for that info on being 20-25 feet above BFE. Like he mentioned, BFE is identified in areas of higher risk such as Flood Zone A & AE. BFE's change throughout the floodplain. It just seems odd to be in a flood plain to all of a sudden 25 feet above it. If you go to the LSUagcenter website and look at the floodplain, there are different BFE's throughout depending on the topography.
Also, in times of flooding I've seen properties identified as being in Flood Zone X to have flooded and properties in Flood Zone A not getting anything. I agree with you that flood insurance coverage should not be determined by a line on a map as I think you are suggesting because of these differences and the maps were never perfect to say the least.
I think you are confusing 20 to 25 feet ground elevation with base flood elevation. Ground elevation is based on NAVD88 North American Vertical Datum with 0.0 being mean sea level. MSL. MSL is the average of high and low tide over a specified period of time. 20.0 ground elevation means you are 20.0 above MSL.
Base Flood Elevation BFE is the modeled 100 year water surface elevation based on NAVD88. A 22.0 foot BFE is 22.0 feet above MSL.
If your ground surface elevation is 20.0 and the BFE is 22.0 then your ground is 2 feet below the BFE. If your lowest finished floor of a structure enclosed on three sides is 22.5 then your finished floor is 0.5 feet above the BFE. YOUR FLOOD INSURANCE IS RATED BASED ON IF YOUR FINISHED FLOOR IS ABOVE OR BELOW THE BFE. The flood maps are called FIRM maps. Flood Insurance Rate maps. They are actuarial devises used to establish flood insurance rates for your location. It is used to assess risk. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WILL OR WILL NOT FLOOD. There could be a culvert plugged or a bridge obstructed that could cause you to flood in a five year event and every body else downstream of that would be fine.
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A bit of further clarification. The FIRM maps are what FEMA uses to establish rates so that they can generate premiums to cover future claims. They really really really want you to purchase flood insurance so they can generate premiums to add to their reserves. In their eyes, if you want to play you got to pay..
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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HelmutVII
I think you are confusing 20 to 25 feet ground elevation with base flood elevation. Ground elevation is based on NAVD88 North American Vertical Datum with 0.0 being mean sea level. MSL. MSL is the average of high and low tide over a specified period of time.
Base Flood Elevation BFE is the modeled 100 year water surface elevation based on NAVD88.
If your ground surface elevation is 20.0 and the BFE is 22.0 then your ground is 2 feet below the BFE. If your lowest finished floor of a structure enclosed on three sides is 22.5 then you are 0.5 feet above the BFE. YOUR FLOOD INSURANCE IS RATED BASED ON IF YOUR FINISHED FLOOR IS ABOVE OR BELOW THE BFE. The flood maps are called FIRM maps. Flood Insurance Rate maps. They are actuarial devises used to establish flood insurance rates for your location. It is used to assess risk. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WILL OR WILL NOT FLOOD. There could be a culvert plugged or a bridge obstructed that could cause you to flood in a five year event and every body else downstream of that would be fine.
I was referring to post 209 where he was using 20-25 feet above BFE. I understand the FIRM maps. We use them daily in our industry although I'm not an expert in their calculations such as you as I assume you are an engineer or surveyor or both. The point I was trying to make was that being 25 feet above the BFE here is highly unlikely or at least I haven't seen this since our topography doesn't change so drastically. When Amos referred to being 20-25 feet I suspected that was his ground elevation, not the distance from BFE.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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zephyr
I was referring to post 209 where he was using 20-25 feet above BFE. I understand the FIRM maps. We use them daily in our industry although I'm not an expert in their calculations such as you as I assume you are an engineer or surveyor or both. The point I was trying to make was that being 25 feet above the BFE here is highly unlikely or at least I haven't seen this since our topography doesn't change so drastically. When Amos referred to being 20-25 feet I suspected that was his ground elevation, not the distance from BFE.
Oh I missed that. Your assumptions are correct.with respect to being an engineer. I do own an engineering and surveying company. Doing three flood certs tomorrow.
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[QUOTE=HelmutVII;1145923. . . They are actuarial devises used to establish flood insurance rates for your location. It is used to assess risk. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WILL OR WILL NOT FLOOD. There could be a culvert plugged or a bridge obstructed that could cause you to flood in a five year event and every body else downstream of that would be fine.[/QUOTE]
That last sentence is probably as important as any other factor in making an evaluation and decision as to whether or not to carry flood insurance. If your property is generally at a low risk to flood, the insurance premiums will be cheap and you will have coverage if something like that happens.
Where I live it is high and there is a real remote chance of flooding. I have always carried flood insurance. However, about 20 years ago when we had open ditch drainage, there was a very heavy rain in a short period of time and We almost flooded. As the water began to rise, I rode downstream from where my lot drained and found a garbage can top stopping one of the driveway culverts. That little obstruction with unusually heavy rain in a short time period almost did us in.
Get your flood insurance.
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If you live in Lafayette, look the the ditch next to Prarie Elementary. Nice big concrete structure, full of debris and silt. If your old enough, you will remember the coulee runs under Albertsons and St. Edmond's to drain Orgeron Heights. How much sediment is stuck up under there? That all drains to the river near Dien's Salvage yard (old Lipstick's Club).
The reason I got from LCG for lack of maintenance was the concrete sections in the city are over a foot lower than some of the non concrete parts of network west.
on the flip side, actually a good fishing hole. I've seen guys pull bass and catfish out along there.
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I don’t think I mentioned this but have to credit my wife for her efforts in the last Abbeville flood——went about half a mile in a pirogue to get to the highway for a ride to the office.....and like a Good Neighbor..........!
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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Boomer
I don’t think I mentioned this but have to credit my wife for her efforts in the last Abbeville flood——went about half a mile in a pirogue to get to the highway for a ride to the office.....and like a Good Neighbor..........!
You never mentioned the pirogue Boomer.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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Originally Posted by
zephyr
I will certainly have to ask Helmut for that info on being 20-25 feet above BFE. Like he mentioned, BFE is identified in areas of higher risk such as Flood Zone A & AE. BFE's change throughout the floodplain. It just seems odd to be in a flood plain to all of a sudden 25 feet above it. If you go to the LSUagcenter website and look at the floodplain, there are different BFE's throughout depending on the topography.
Also, in times of flooding I've seen properties identified as being in Flood Zone X to have flooded and properties in Flood Zone A not getting anything. I agree with you that flood insurance coverage should not be determined by a line on a map as I think you are suggesting because of these differences and the maps were never perfect to say the least.
I might have overstated the 20-25 foot. I was thinking about some parts of North Lafayette. I did a real quick look at the maps around suspect areas and the best I could find was around 15-16 above BFE.
Main point though is that we do a very poor job of communicating flood risk to the population in general. There is no excuse for that given the technological resources at our disposal today.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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HelmutVII
Oh yeah I forgot, If you live in a parish or county that is adjacent to the Gulf of Mexico, I would buy flood insurance. Almost every drainage channel adjacent to the gulf is influenced by tides. If it is influenced by tides then it is probably subject to storm surge. Even some portions of extreme south Lafayette Parish could be subject to storm surge.
Since Rita, if the south wind blows at a decent clip for a couple of days, the ditches fill up with water NORTH of Hwy 14 in Erath.
We get another Rita, I could see the storm surge nearing the parish line.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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CajunNation
Since Rita, if the south wind blows at a decent clip for a couple of days, the ditches fill up with water NORTH of Hwy 14 in Erath.
We get another Rita, I could see the storm surge nearing the parish line.
If I remember correctly, with Rita 90E was closed at Golden Meadow and the port of Iberia due to storm surge.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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CajunNation
Since Rita, if the south wind blows at a decent clip for a couple of days, the ditches fill up with water NORTH of Hwy 14 in Erath.
We get another Rita, I could see the storm surge nearing the parish line.
I would believe that. The Vermilion River is influenced by Tides. During periods of low flow it influences all the way up to the Surrey Street Bridge. During periods of moderate flow you can see the tide influence at the La 733 bridge.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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CajunNation
Since Rita, if the south wind blows at a decent clip for a couple of days, the ditches fill up with water NORTH of Hwy 14 in Erath.
We get another Rita, I could see the storm surge nearing the parish line.
Take a look at the link below for the GOM Slosh model maps. A worst case CAT5 has most of Lafayette going for a swim.
https://noaa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Ma...935fad&entry=1
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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Dad04
My house didn't flood in 2016, but I bought flood insurance the next day.
My wife did the same in August of 2016
May have had something to do with so many of the neighbors flooding.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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Turbine
My wife did the same in August of 2016
May have had something to do with so many of the neighbors flooding.
Same with me in 2016. I never even had water in my yard the previous 23 years. About 14 inches in my outside kitchen, garage and bar. It would have had to go up another 24 inches to get into the house. 30 inches of rain in that 24-48 hour span was a lot of water. The river couldn't take that much. And my carpenter thought I was crazy building my house up that high on pillars 26 years ago.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
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ZoomZoom
If you live in Lafayette, look the the ditch next to Prarie Elementary. Nice big concrete structure, full of debris and silt. If your old enough, you will remember the coulee runs under Albertsons and St. Edmond's to drain Orgeron Heights. How much sediment is stuck up under there? That all drains to the river near Dien's Salvage yard (old Lipstick's Club).
The reason I got from LCG for lack of maintenance was the concrete sections in the city are over a foot lower than some of the non concrete parts of network west.
on the flip side, actually a good fishing hole. I've seen guys pull bass and catfish out along there.
Back to the old avatar? LOL
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Since we have been dry for a long time the tidal influence on the river is pronounced. You can clearly see a low tide, high tide, intermediate low tide and intermediate high tide every 24 hours. (it will vary slightly).
this is the Vermilion River at 733
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this is the Vermilion River at Surrey. you can see that the influence is not as pronounced and is delayed but it is there.
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Re: OT: Mississippi River Aquapocalypse 2019
Went to New Orleans today and I took I10 on the return home. When traveling westbound on 10 across the Pontchartrain, I noticed there was a rush of water coming from the South/left. Assuming that was coming from the MS River??