2019 Cajuns Baseball Lineup???

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Originally Posted by Just1More

He's a stud. And when we play LSU, he has an axe to grind. I think he had some shoulder issues, and they weren't very supportive (if my sources are right). He was simply way too good out of HS to not play well for us. And we need him at 1B.

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This is how I have heard it put - kid has a million dollar swing. He tore his labrum playing football his Junior year in high school. DH'd only towards end of Junior year in HS and hit well. Had to move to first base because of throwing issues his senior year (shoulder still giving issues), but the bat was still a "million dollar swing" He could rake it at the plate.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

Why? I've watched a bunch of summer woodbat. Everybody was grinding all the games I've watched.

EDIT: Purely anecdotal. Lucroy played one season summerball during college. He hit .347 in 84 AB after freshman year. Soph year he hit .333 over 200 AB, so maybe....

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I believe everyone, even athletes, are motivated by incentives and summer ball is no different. The pitchers especially don't have anything to play for and aren't focused, under extreme stress nor willing to throw their arms off for a nothing game. They don't have the fans behind them, the scouts aren't really there, no ncaa championships, not getting scholarship offers...it's just play to keep you moving before the real games start. When it comes to the hitters, they don't have any of that added stress to hit the game winning hit, lay down a bunt, get mental fatigued trying to guess the next pitch, take advice from JT...none of that stuff - It's just batting practice. So from my perspective, their performance needs to be discounted quite heavily given the differences between summer and spring ball.

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

I believe everyone, even athletes, are motivated by incentives and summer ball is no different. The pitchers especially don't have anything to play for and aren't focused, under extreme stress nor willing to throw their arms off for a nothing game. They don't have the fans behind them, the scouts aren't really there, no ncaa championships, not getting scholarship offers...it's just play to keep you moving before the real games start. When it comes to the hitters, they don't have any of that added stress to hit the game winning hit, lay down a bunt, get mental fatigued trying to guess the next pitch, take advice from JT...none of that stuff - It's just batting practice. So from my perspective, their performance needs to be discounted quite heavily given the differences between summer and spring ball.

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Some of these upper leagues (Cape and Alaska) have the best of all players from all teams. The fact is there are plenty pro scouts at these games because they get to see much of the cream of the crop together in these leagues. Furthermore, those going to these leagues have an end ticket (at least they hope) at the next level, that is why they are there and that is why the scouts go and monitor. Some of these summer leagues are resume builders for the next level draft. Lots to gain by success.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

Some of these upper leagues (Cape and Alaska) have the best of all players from all teams. The fact is there are plenty pro scouts at these games because they get to see much of the cream of the crop together in these leagues. Furthermore, those going to these leagues have an end ticket (at least they hope) at the next level, that is why they are there and that is why the scouts go and monitor. Some of these summer leagues are resume builders for the next level draft. Lots to gain by success.

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This^^. It's not neighborhood stick ball.

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

I believe everyone, even athletes, are motivated by incentives and summer ball is no different. The pitchers especially don't have anything to play for and aren't focused, under extreme stress nor willing to throw their arms off for a nothing game. They don't have the fans behind them, the scouts aren't really there, no ncaa championships, not getting scholarship offers...it's just play to keep you moving before the real games start. When it comes to the hitters, they don't have any of that added stress to hit the game winning hit, lay down a bunt, get mental fatigued trying to guess the next pitch, take advice from JT...none of that stuff - It's just batting practice. So from my perspective, their performance needs to be discounted quite heavily given the differences between summer and spring ball.

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Yea, you missed the boat here.

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

Yea, you missed the boat here.

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Okay, let me bounce this idea. We all agree that most of our guys go to the summer leagues and destroy the competition, right? For instance, all of our hitters perform significantly better than in the regular season - especially the hitters. Now, why is that?

We agree that the Cape and Alaska leagues are the real deal so let's set those aside and focus exclusively on the rest. A majority of our players go to other leagues outside of the cape so most of the higher averages we all see summer after summer can be sampled from other leagues, fair to say right?

Now, focusing only on the summer leagues outside of the Cape and Alaska. If you are saying these leagues are high quality, then it might also be safe to assume that the summer leagues are at a minimal a continuation in the skill level of players or possibly better than normal season sample set, right? I agree with you here as well, the talent pool is better. (rhetorical here, just some discourse for sake of exchanging ideas) Then, if the summer league is so similar (or even better) as far as the skill level goes, then, again, why do our guys play better in the summer in the spring? If the assumption is that the spring and summer are more or less the same, then it would be safe to assume that the only difference could be attributed to a single variable. That variable being JT - doesn't stick. I want the guy gone, but I don't believe he is the single factor. Given that I believe it is a multivariate relation as to why the players perform better in the summer than in the fall, I attribute my reasons in my previous post as the reasons why (obviously). None of my reasons have to do with the level of talent, only environmental factors.

I can agree that the level of talent is for real, but with different environments, the game not meaning anything, lack of pressure, etc - I can see why the play better.

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

Okay, let me bounce this idea. We all agree that most of our guys go to the summer leagues and destroy the competition, right? For instance, all of our hitters perform significantly better than in the regular season - especially the hitters. Now, why is that?

We agree that the Cape and Alaska leagues are the real deal so let's set those aside and focus exclusively on the rest. A majority of our players go to other leagues outside of the cape so most of the higher averages we all see summer after summer can be sampled from other leagues, fair to say right?

Now, focusing only on the summer leagues outside of the Cape and Alaska. If you are saying these leagues are high quality, then it might also be safe to assume that the summer leagues are at a minimal a continuation in the skill level of players or possibly better than normal season sample set, right? (rhetorical here, just some discourse for sake of exchanging ideas) Then, if the summer league is so similar (or even better) as far as the skill level goes, then, again, why do our guys play better in the summer in the spring? If the assumption is that the spring and summer are more or less the same, then it would be safe to assume that the only difference could be attributed to a single variable. That variable being JT - doesn't stick. I want the guy gone, but I don't believe he is the single factor. Given that I believe it is a multivariate relation as to why the players perform better in the summer than in the fall, I attribute my reasons in my previous post as the reasons why.

Well, I refuse to believe that the only reason the guys go to the summer league and clean up is because JT is not at third base. That's crazy and could never be proven. There has to be multiple reasons to explain the difference between the performance in summer league and spring. If you can

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JT is the one and only reason.

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

JT is the one and only reason.

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Lack of pressure, allows the player to feel the game.

If the coach has you "thinking" to much, you can't feel the game.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

Lack of pressure, allows the player to feel the game.

If the coach has you "thinking" to much, you can't feel the game.

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A good coach let’s you feel the game. Nothing to do with summer spring or fall.

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

A good coach let’s you feel the game. Nothing to do with summer spring or fall.

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Define "nothing to do."

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

JT is the one and only reason.

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This and this.

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

Okay, let me bounce this idea. We all agree that most of our guys go to the summer leagues and destroy the competition, right? For instance, all of our hitters perform significantly better than in the regular season - especially the hitters. Now, why is that?

We agree that the Cape and Alaska leagues are the real deal so let's set those aside and focus exclusively on the rest. A majority of our players go to other leagues outside of the cape so most of the higher averages we all see summer after summer can be sampled from other leagues, fair to say right?

Now, focusing only on the summer leagues outside of the Cape and Alaska. If you are saying these leagues are high quality, then it might also be safe to assume that the summer leagues are at a minimal a continuation in the skill level of players or possibly better than normal season sample set, right? I agree with you here as well, the talent pool is better. (rhetorical here, just some discourse for sake of exchanging ideas) Then, if the summer league is so similar (or even better) as far as the skill level goes, then, again, why do our guys play better in the summer in the spring? If the assumption is that the spring and summer are more or less the same, then it would be safe to assume that the only difference could be attributed to a single variable. That variable being JT - doesn't stick. I want the guy gone, but I don't believe he is the single factor. Given that I believe it is a multivariate relation as to why the players perform better in the summer than in the fall, I attribute my reasons in my previous post as the reasons why (obviously). None of my reasons have to do with the level of talent, only environmental factors.

I can agree that the level of talent is for real, but with different environments, the game not meaning anything, lack of pressure, etc - I can see why the play better.

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The games are very meaningful, or they wouldn't be there. We'll agree to disagree.