So if we win we are in?

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Originally Posted by charliek

_ evidently the ncaa disagrees...... _

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According to who? A poster here? We'll find out what's really in the contract very soon.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic.../1026/SPORTS02

Read this article. This is a quote:
"Who will be the Bulldogs’ opponent has yet to be determined but is expected to come from a pool of 6-6 teams including North Carolina State, Southern Miss, Memphis and Notre Dame."

So in other words there is no 7-5 team to look at unless Ark. St. gets there.
They are basically saying that our contract with them is not going to put a 6-6 sunbelt team in. That is bull crap.
What was the point of signing this contract?

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

_ According to who? A poster here? We'll find out what's really in the contract very soon. _

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I thought it didn't matter what was in the agreement? Changed your mind?

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Originally Posted by charliek

_ I thought it didn't matter what was in the agreement? Changed your mind? _

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I don't recall saying that. It doesn't matter what's in the agreement if it violates a NCAA rule. Maybe y'all are right and it does. Now the question is, what is in the contract? Honestly, if it was as cut and dry as Waters has said, do you think there would be bowl selection committees spending time and money investigating teams that they are not allowed to select?

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

_ I don't recall saying that. It doesn't matter what's in the agreement if it violates a NCAA rule. Maybe y'all are right and it doesn't. Now the question is, what is in the contract? Honestly, if it was as cut and dry as Waters has said, do you think there would be bowl selection committees spending time and money investigating teams that they are not allowed to select? _

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fixed...

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

_ Don't have to...

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As in don't have to read the contingency agreement. As in it don't matter what's in it....


PS: I don't believe a 6-6 sunbelt team should go bowling either, nor ANY 6-6 team. Too many damn bowls recognizing mediocracy...but I didn't make the rules and if a 6-6 team gets in I just as soon it be mine...(assuming we figure out a way to win again with the whole team hurt)....

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

_ Don't have to...

30.9.2.1 Exception—12 Game Season. [FBS]

An institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be selected for participation in a bowl game under the following circumstances: (Adopted: 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06)


(a) The institution or its conference has a primary contractual affiliation, which existed prior to the first contest of the applicable season, with the sponsoring bowl organization. In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game. There shall be no contingency agreements with other sponsoring bowl organizations intended to enable an institution with a record of six wins and six losses to become eligible for those contests; or


(b) All contractual affiliations per Bylaw 30.9.2.1-(a) have been fulfilled and all institutions with winning records have received bowl invitations (either through a contractual affiliation or as an at-large selection). _

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This says 2 things, and 2 things only:
1. 7-5 teams must fill a conference's bowl slots before it can select 6-6 teams from that conference to fill that slot. (IE All 7-5 sec teams must be placed in bowls before selecting a 6-6 SEC team)

2. A 7-5 record gets selected before a 6-6 team with a contingency agreement.

Nothing is mentioned here about 6-6 teams except as it related to 7-5 teams. Unless the SBC's contract with the Independence Bowl specifically states that the SBC representative has to be 7-5, or unless contracts don't mean anything, this is a no-brainer and the Independence Bowl will have to take a 6-6 Sun Belt team over any other 6-6 team.

This doesn't take a degree in rocket science. You only have to slow down and read.

I think that final post is correct. LA tech, Indy bowl or ESPN cannot argue with that.

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Originally Posted by jllanclos

this is a no-brainer and the Independence Bowl will have to take a 6-6 Sun Belt team over any other 6-6 team._

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Obviously it isn't that simple. If it was, the I-Bowl and St. Pete's wouldn't be talking to other schools. There would be nothing for anybody to review and this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

_ Obviously it isn't that simple. If it was, the I-Bowl and St. Pete's wouldn't be talking to other schools. There would be nothing for anybody to review and this discussion wouldn't be taking place. _

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it is that simple. they are simply maneuvering to get out of the deal. parties are allowed to argue whatever they want. that doesnt mean the contract is any less clear. i just hope whoever rules on this doesnt have any personal benefit to be gained, and rules properly.